| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? 09:00 - Jul 20 with 2779 views | SwansIndependent |
 Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? 20th Jul 2022 09:00Morgan Whittaker has spent a week thinking over moves to Exeter City, Cheltenham and now Plymouth Argyle. Apparently, it seems he has made his mind up. Despite interest again from Portsmouth we have been informed he has made his decision. And late inquiries from a further four League One clubs have faltered in recent days.  0
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 09:24 - Jul 20 with 2227 views | shandyjack |
I don't blame them. If I was Bennett or Fulton I wouldn't be leaving either for less than I am currently earning. Fulton will have belief in his ability to be in the squad and get game time, Bennett on the other hand would be throwing away over half a million to leave on less wages and that would be mental at this late stage of his career |  |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 10:17 - Jul 20 with 2123 views | jasper_T |
"That’s the dilemma, nobody is saying these players are wrong, but really how much money does any one person need ?"
They need exactly what their employer promised them they'd get when they last signed a contract. It's not individual greed to expect a business has to pay its bills.
As it stands I'm pretty sure Fulton will start the season for us until Allen is fit, so it's not like he won't be working for it. | | | |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 10:35 - Jul 20 with 2078 views | dobjack2 |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 10:17 - Jul 20 by jasper_T |
"That’s the dilemma, nobody is saying these players are wrong, but really how much money does any one person need ?"
They need exactly what their employer promised them they'd get when they last signed a contract. It's not individual greed to expect a business has to pay its bills.
As it stands I'm pretty sure Fulton will start the season for us until Allen is fit, so it's not like he won't be working for it. |
Indeed - offering players contracts for more than we can afford and/or more than they are worth to the club is not the fault of the players. | | | |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 10:36 - Jul 20 with 2068 views | vetchonian |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 10:17 - Jul 20 by jasper_T |
"That’s the dilemma, nobody is saying these players are wrong, but really how much money does any one person need ?"
They need exactly what their employer promised them they'd get when they last signed a contract. It's not individual greed to expect a business has to pay its bills.
As it stands I'm pretty sure Fulton will start the season for us until Allen is fit, so it's not like he won't be working for it. |
I personally believe its financial not footballing reasons as to why Martin "excluded" Fulton form his plans . With the arrival of Downes, Pato, Natchm , Walsh we were well equipped in midfield with Pato and Downes being the gaffers choices I suspect Fulton was seen as an expensive luxury and needed to be offloaded to release money. If Martin thought he was not suitable in football terms Im sure other players would have got the nod ahead...especially as players earn monies for being on the bench , starting and coming off the bench..on top of their "basic".
Same with Bennet it is funny how how he fell off the team sheet at game 49....prior to that he was used often by Martin.... | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 10:40 - Jul 20 with 2066 views | KeithHaynes |
All agreed but sometimes the fan in the street ( quite literally in some cases ) needs a viewpoint.
Which I agree with. |  |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 12:37 - Jul 20 with 1862 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 10:35 - Jul 20 by dobjack2 |
Indeed - offering players contracts for more than we can afford and/or more than they are worth to the club is not the fault of the players. |
One would expect a professional sportsman to actually want to play competetive football. If I turned up for work with noting to do I would move on.
Bennett need not lose any money. He needs to find a club to play for and get a decent deal from them and Swansea will have to make up the difference. Almost all major clubs have these issues.
Personally I would like to see him go to DC united where they get a good experienced defender (they conceded 7 last week) if Rooney likes him and the US owners share the liability between two clubs they own. |  |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 12:45 - Jul 20 with 1851 views | vetchonian |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 10:40 - Jul 20 by KeithHaynes |
All agreed but sometimes the fan in the street ( quite literally in some cases ) needs a viewpoint.
Which I agree with. |
Interesting how you infer it is down to Cooper for teh amounts Bennet anf Fulton are paid...Whilst the manager would adovcate improved contracts ot a player surely it is Mr Winter who is presponsible for the negotiations and settling of terms....otherwise Im sure MArtin could have ensured the PAto strop situation was avoided? | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 12:53 - Jul 20 with 1840 views | Badlands |
I’d be a bit disappointed if Fulton stays. The few minutes he had last season weren’t good, at least with this style of football.
Bennett? Alway a decent solid cb but doesn’t fit the style. Financially it would bonkers, for him personally, to move.
Do we pay him too much? As so many managers have said in the past, we have to pay a premium to attract platers to Swansea. |  |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 13:22 - Jul 20 with 1790 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 12:53 - Jul 20 by Badlands |
I’d be a bit disappointed if Fulton stays. The few minutes he had last season weren’t good, at least with this style of football.
Bennett? Alway a decent solid cb but doesn’t fit the style. Financially it would bonkers, for him personally, to move.
Do we pay him too much? As so many managers have said in the past, we have to pay a premium to attract platers to Swansea. |
Bennett employs an agent to keep him in work. Reading were interested and probably would pay £10k a week. Swansea would expect that as a minimum. However league 1 clubs would money play a maximum £6k or £7k a week. Turkey and USA are areas where a higher proportion of his wage would be covered. Caulker is a big success in TC.
The liability is around £500,000. They will have to bite the bullet and pay him to end his spell at Swansea. Asoro had the same treatment. This would be better than a loan. | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 13:22 - Jul 20 with 1790 views | vetchonian |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 12:53 - Jul 20 by Badlands |
I’d be a bit disappointed if Fulton stays. The few minutes he had last season weren’t good, at least with this style of football.
Bennett? Alway a decent solid cb but doesn’t fit the style. Financially it would bonkers, for him personally, to move.
Do we pay him too much? As so many managers have said in the past, we have to pay a premium to attract platers to Swansea. |
Fulton had more than a few minutes came on ahead of Martins favorite Smith at Cardiff he started at Millwall and was subbed at 79 mins by Smith....after we had gone 1 nil up he played the whole 90 mins v Derby when we one 2-1
Fulton has been Martins go to when Downes was unavailable.....
DO you actually watch us Fulton certainly had more than a few minutes | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 13:34 - Jul 20 with 1777 views | jasper_T |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 12:37 - Jul 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
One would expect a professional sportsman to actually want to play competetive football. If I turned up for work with noting to do I would move on.
Bennett need not lose any money. He needs to find a club to play for and get a decent deal from them and Swansea will have to make up the difference. Almost all major clubs have these issues.
Personally I would like to see him go to DC united where they get a good experienced defender (they conceded 7 last week) if Rooney likes him and the US owners share the liability between two clubs they own. |
In Bennett's case he walked away from a final year of high earnings at Wolves to come to us. Potentially he had other offers. For footballers they're not moving across the country for the weekly wage, it's the total financial package - £X over 3 years plus performance-related bonuses to relocate to Swansea and hand them your registration. You don't walk away from a huge chunk of the compensation you were offered to sign up just because your current supervisor has chosen not to give you any work to do. Or if the employer doesn't want to fulfil certain performance-related bonuses they originally offered you (for example an contract extension after 50 games).
Think about what happens when a player does well. Clubs can profit millions by selling on the registration. Swansea City earned Downes' pay back many times over. But the expectation of many fans is that players should do their club a favour if it places a losing bet, because how much money do they need?
You've got to think if Swansea were happy to pay up the difference it would have happened by now. If Swansea want him gone then the onus is on the club not the player to make that happen. Finding that much cash on hand isn't simple, it's probably more than we paid for Darling up front. | | | |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 13:39 - Jul 20 with 1770 views | jasper_T |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 13:22 - Jul 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Bennett employs an agent to keep him in work. Reading were interested and probably would pay £10k a week. Swansea would expect that as a minimum. However league 1 clubs would money play a maximum £6k or £7k a week. Turkey and USA are areas where a higher proportion of his wage would be covered. Caulker is a big success in TC.
The liability is around £500,000. They will have to bite the bullet and pay him to end his spell at Swansea. Asoro had the same treatment. This would be better than a loan. |
You can probably half those estimated wage offers and be nearer the mark. Reading under their embargo aren't going to be offering many £10k/week contracts, and the average League One wage is £2-3k/week (£5k would be a "highest earner" wage) it's a huge step down from Championship spending.
Turkey is on a list of countries UEFA are warning players not to go due to unpaid wages and contractual issues. | | | |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 16:16 - Jul 20 with 1589 views | KeithHaynes |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 12:45 - Jul 20 by vetchonian |
Interesting how you infer it is down to Cooper for teh amounts Bennet anf Fulton are paid...Whilst the manager would adovcate improved contracts ot a player surely it is Mr Winter who is presponsible for the negotiations and settling of terms....otherwise Im sure MArtin could have ensured the PAto strop situation was avoided? |
How very dare you 😉
Facts is facts though.
Cooper pushed for the Fulton deal, that’s a fact. Of course I don’t fit in to either cooper or Martin camps, over forty news items praising cooper on here are my reference.
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 19:32 - Jul 20 with 1417 views | vetchonian |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 16:16 - Jul 20 by KeithHaynes |
How very dare you 😉
Facts is facts though.
Cooper pushed for the Fulton deal, that’s a fact. Of course I don’t fit in to either cooper or Martin camps, over forty news items praising cooper on here are my reference.
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I dont deny Cooper pushing for Fultons extension but the detail and the terms would have been negotiated by Winter and Futons agent but the article hints it was Cooper who gave him the deal | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 19:47 - Jul 20 with 1398 views | KeithHaynes |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 19:32 - Jul 20 by vetchonian |
I dont deny Cooper pushing for Fultons extension but the detail and the terms would have been negotiated by Winter and Futons agent but the article hints it was Cooper who gave him the deal |
If cooper said he didn’t want Fulton he wouldn’t have got the ridiculous contract. | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 19:52 - Jul 20 with 1393 views | vetchonian |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 19:47 - Jul 20 by KeithHaynes |
If cooper said he didn’t want Fulton he wouldn’t have got the ridiculous contract. |
if Coopet hadn't said he wanted Piroe we probably would have been relegated last season....Winter did the deal....â°for Fulton....good job he is here as Martin turned to him in Downes absence.....as a result of all his reckless red cards | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 20:07 - Jul 20 with 1362 views | NotLoyal |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 19:52 - Jul 20 by vetchonian |
if Coopet hadn't said he wanted Piroe we probably would have been relegated last season....Winter did the deal....â°for Fulton....good job he is here as Martin turned to him in Downes absence.....as a result of all his reckless red cards |
I would say personally that Cooper unlike Martin will take the plaudits from numerous people on here as long as it’s deemed a positive. Negotiations back then then were done by cooper, unless he’s a liar ? If people listened and stayed up to date with all the reports this site put on about the reasons for Cooper’s leaving we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. Time is a great leveller as the writers on this site have found out in recent months after the inbreds shut up. Their silence is deafening.
Quote ; And, speaking before Fulton's new deal had been officially announced, Cooper said the central midfielder deserves heaps of praise from the Jack Army for the way he has performed this season. "I really want to extend Jay's contract, I hope that can get sorted out," said Cooper. |  |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 20:45 - Jul 20 with 1329 views | vetchonian |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 20:07 - Jul 20 by NotLoyal |
I would say personally that Cooper unlike Martin will take the plaudits from numerous people on here as long as it’s deemed a positive. Negotiations back then then were done by cooper, unless he’s a liar ? If people listened and stayed up to date with all the reports this site put on about the reasons for Cooper’s leaving we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. Time is a great leveller as the writers on this site have found out in recent months after the inbreds shut up. Their silence is deafening.
Quote ; And, speaking before Fulton's new deal had been officially announced, Cooper said the central midfielder deserves heaps of praise from the Jack Army for the way he has performed this season. "I really want to extend Jay's contract, I hope that can get sorted out," said Cooper. |
I give up
where does that say I will sort the detail?
Cooper as coach had no input to negotiations yes as the quote says he wanted Fultons contracr extended but would have had no input to the terms...that was down to Winter and the agent....as has been the way for many years ...HJ then Birch then Winter negotited the financials so let's not pretend otherwise shall we | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 20:55 - Jul 20 with 1303 views | raynor94 |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 20:45 - Jul 20 by vetchonian |
I give up
where does that say I will sort the detail?
Cooper as coach had no input to negotiations yes as the quote says he wanted Fultons contracr extended but would have had no input to the terms...that was down to Winter and the agent....as has been the way for many years ...HJ then Birch then Winter negotited the financials so let's not pretend otherwise shall we |
Lo and behold, hell hath no fury like a Cooper lover!
Dry your eyes he's gone |  |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 21:17 - Jul 20 with 1271 views | vetchonian |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 20:55 - Jul 20 by raynor94 |
Lo and behold, hell hath no fury like a Cooper lover!
Dry your eyes he's gone |
yet still people are trying to blame him for things I knew my posts would provoke this reaction
Cooper has gone but the crap being written is crazy.....Cooper like the Managers before him have had zero input to megotion contract ts and cs | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 21:33 - Jul 20 with 1232 views | raynor94 |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 21:17 - Jul 20 by vetchonian |
yet still people are trying to blame him for things I knew my posts would provoke this reaction
Cooper has gone but the crap being written is crazy.....Cooper like the Managers before him have had zero input to megotion contract ts and cs |
You don't think the length of the contract would be discussed with the manager? | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 21:34 - Jul 20 with 1227 views | Fireboy2 |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 20:45 - Jul 20 by vetchonian |
I give up
where does that say I will sort the detail?
Cooper as coach had no input to negotiations yes as the quote says he wanted Fultons contracr extended but would have had no input to the terms...that was down to Winter and the agent....as has been the way for many years ...HJ then Birch then Winter negotited the financials so let's not pretend otherwise shall we |
Keep digging vetch. |  | | |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 21:38 - Jul 20 with 1217 views | vetchonian |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 21:34 - Jul 20 by Fireboy2 |
Keep digging vetch. |
tell me where does it state Cooper negotiared the contract terms lots of inferences but no manager since the Phoenix consortium under HJ or since under Birch and Winter has negotiated the ts and cs of players contracts......
"independent " ? | |
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| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 21:42 - Jul 20 with 1207 views | pencoedjack |
Few posters on this thread had a different opinion when Gareth Bale decided to stay on at Real Madrid on 500k a week.
Pretty sure Bale has far more wealth than Bennett. |  | | |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 22:19 - Jul 20 with 1151 views | KeithHaynes |
| Are Swansea City players really getting the message as departures are close ? on 21:38 - Jul 20 by vetchonian |
tell me where does it state Cooper negotiared the contract terms lots of inferences but no manager since the Phoenix consortium under HJ or since under Birch and Winter has negotiated the ts and cs of players contracts......
"independent " ? |
I would say - if we have to go back to June last year that was the main part of the reason initially why cooper and winter fell out. We reported that on June 3rd last year from memory.
Cooper wanted control over contracts etc ( like Martin seems to have more of now ) but winter was more in favour of the recruiting being kept separate for the coming season.
Just my view, but we do speak to a few people who are happy to lead us to water.
‘Independent’ yes, I think so.
With a view on supporting the swans of course, regardless. | |
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