| NHS waiting lists 20:32 - Oct 23 with 5337 views | britferry |
Saw this on the news earlier, this is the number of people who have been on a waiting list for an operation for over 2 years:
England:
population: 56.5m
Number of people: 2,646
Scotland:
population: 5.5m
Number of people: 7,650
Wales:
population: 3.2m
Number of people: 59,350
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| NHS waiting lists on 21:12 - Oct 25 with 1153 views | Wingstandwood |
| NHS waiting lists on 20:38 - Oct 25 by Catullus |
I expect plenty of people have a similar story but my wife knows someone who was told she'd have a 15 month wait just for an appointment after her referral. When she asked about going private the wait was reduced to a couple of weeks.
There are still medical secretary's doing their specialists private work in NHS time. It's the tip of a very large iceberg. |
Everybody indeed has a story, some of it is black comedic surreal.
I know of a case where someone phoned a G.P surgery with an irregular heartbeat wanting a G.P appointment and an ECG that the surgery has, the G.P said phone 999.
The person decides to go to A+E by car to avoid putting pressure on ambulance services thinking that patients in immediate life threatening danger should have priority.
The person then had to wait 14 and a half hours to have an ECG and see a doctor, to be then told that there is indeed a problem that has shown up after two ECG "runs" but contact the G.P surgery and have further investigation there, and to tell the G.P on triage not to send the person back to A+E.
Ditto another similar story for someone who waited 18 hours after being referred to A+E by a G.P only to be told to go back to the G.P by the A+E doctor. The two individuals mentioned never wanted to go to A+E in the first place anyhow!
It's farcical! Morriston Hospital A+E has more or less in the main become a buck-passing G.P service for G.P’s. So the gist is i.e. a simple phone call to G.P surgery with a problem could on occasions lead to no G.P appointment and having to wait 10 - 24 hours in A+E instead. |  |
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| NHS waiting lists on 21:18 - Oct 25 with 1134 views | Dr_Winston |
| NHS waiting lists on 21:12 - Oct 25 by Wingstandwood |
Everybody indeed has a story, some of it is black comedic surreal.
I know of a case where someone phoned a G.P surgery with an irregular heartbeat wanting a G.P appointment and an ECG that the surgery has, the G.P said phone 999.
The person decides to go to A+E by car to avoid putting pressure on ambulance services thinking that patients in immediate life threatening danger should have priority.
The person then had to wait 14 and a half hours to have an ECG and see a doctor, to be then told that there is indeed a problem that has shown up after two ECG "runs" but contact the G.P surgery and have further investigation there, and to tell the G.P on triage not to send the person back to A+E.
Ditto another similar story for someone who waited 18 hours after being referred to A+E by a G.P only to be told to go back to the G.P by the A+E doctor. The two individuals mentioned never wanted to go to A+E in the first place anyhow!
It's farcical! Morriston Hospital A+E has more or less in the main become a buck-passing G.P service for G.P’s. So the gist is i.e. a simple phone call to G.P surgery with a problem could on occasions lead to no G.P appointment and having to wait 10 - 24 hours in A+E instead. |
There seems to be two major problems causing bottlenecks.
The lack of social care after treatment, so beds are blocked in the hospital thus backing up A&E and causing queues of amblimances unable to discharge patients and get back into circulation, and the almost total disintegration of GP services, causing people to turn up at A&E instead.
One seems caused by systemically poor management, and the other caused by stroppy GP's who have had a cob on since the last contract was dished out and have used Covid as a means to limit the amount of patients who actually get to see them. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| NHS waiting lists on 21:23 - Oct 25 with 1122 views | Wingstandwood |
| NHS waiting lists on 21:18 - Oct 25 by Dr_Winston |
There seems to be two major problems causing bottlenecks.
The lack of social care after treatment, so beds are blocked in the hospital thus backing up A&E and causing queues of amblimances unable to discharge patients and get back into circulation, and the almost total disintegration of GP services, causing people to turn up at A&E instead.
One seems caused by systemically poor management, and the other caused by stroppy GP's who have had a cob on since the last contract was dished out and have used Covid as a means to limit the amount of patients who actually get to see them. |
The old 'family' G.P of a bygone era whom had a sense of duty to his community and was on first name terms with his/her patients sadly seems a thing of the past. | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 21:35 - Oct 25 with 1102 views | Dr_Winston |
| NHS waiting lists on 21:23 - Oct 25 by Wingstandwood |
The old 'family' G.P of a bygone era whom had a sense of duty to his community and was on first name terms with his/her patients sadly seems a thing of the past. |
In fairness to them, I suspect their customer base has changed somewhat in the meantime also. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| NHS waiting lists on 21:42 - Oct 25 with 1091 views | Wingstandwood |
| NHS waiting lists on 21:35 - Oct 25 by Dr_Winston |
In fairness to them, I suspect their customer base has changed somewhat in the meantime also. |
Yeah you're right there, there is an emergency phone hotline on the wall in Morriston A+E that goes straight to the police, no dialling required just pick it up. That says it all. | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 21:48 - Oct 25 with 1083 views | Dr_Winston |
| NHS waiting lists on 21:42 - Oct 25 by Wingstandwood |
Yeah you're right there, there is an emergency phone hotline on the wall in Morriston A+E that goes straight to the police, no dialling required just pick it up. That says it all. |
Now THAT is something that needs to be dealt with at a central Government level.
I've long been a proponent of something like an Emergency Services Protection Act. Assault a member of NHS staff and you simply shouldn't be allowed to use them for a period. Five years for a first offence, life for the second.
If you're on the blacklist A&E should turn you away. Got Cancer? Tough shit. Go private. The Fire Brigade won't turn up if your house burns down. The Police won't investigate your car being nicked.
There has to be consequences for the way some of these dickheads act. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| NHS waiting lists on 22:53 - Oct 26 with 994 views | majorraglan |
| NHS waiting lists on 21:18 - Oct 25 by Dr_Winston |
There seems to be two major problems causing bottlenecks.
The lack of social care after treatment, so beds are blocked in the hospital thus backing up A&E and causing queues of amblimances unable to discharge patients and get back into circulation, and the almost total disintegration of GP services, causing people to turn up at A&E instead.
One seems caused by systemically poor management, and the other caused by stroppy GP's who have had a cob on since the last contract was dished out and have used Covid as a means to limit the amount of patients who actually get to see them. |
The lack of social care is a major issue. I suspect it doesn’t help that there isn’t a single budget for social care doesn’t help. The council and NHS have separate budgets and different responsibilities which leads to a fragmented approach and poor services. There is a huge shortage of carers and beds in care homes (which are extortionately expensive). We need a joined up approach and smoother pathway for patients to be discharged otherwise things aren’t going to get improve. | | | |
| NHS waiting lists on 23:21 - Oct 26 with 976 views | Wingstandwood |
| NHS waiting lists on 22:53 - Oct 26 by majorraglan |
The lack of social care is a major issue. I suspect it doesn’t help that there isn’t a single budget for social care doesn’t help. The council and NHS have separate budgets and different responsibilities which leads to a fragmented approach and poor services. There is a huge shortage of carers and beds in care homes (which are extortionately expensive). We need a joined up approach and smoother pathway for patients to be discharged otherwise things aren’t going to get improve. |
Care homes fees? If its payment required private ones as opposed to council run and funded? Indeed expensive to surreal ammounts, a typical example of a private nursing care home fee in my part of the world is £67,600 a year or £1,300 a week. And that is at times without extra addtional costs!
Residential care home fees are cheaper for those requiring non-nursing care but you are still talking about a good few hundred a week there. Nursing care and residential care are two different things. I suspect you know this but will mention to inform others!
This is what gets to me when lefty loonies want to tax those who have saved for their old age instead of pissing their money up against the wall. Like that idiot John McDonnell who wanted to bring down inheritance tax to a threshold of £125,000.
It's those that are paying for their own nursing home fees, residential home fees and home care provider fees that are saving the tax payer and local council and health authority a small fortune! | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 23:46 - Oct 26 with 951 views | trampie |
| NHS waiting lists on 23:21 - Oct 26 by Wingstandwood |
Care homes fees? If its payment required private ones as opposed to council run and funded? Indeed expensive to surreal ammounts, a typical example of a private nursing care home fee in my part of the world is £67,600 a year or £1,300 a week. And that is at times without extra addtional costs!
Residential care home fees are cheaper for those requiring non-nursing care but you are still talking about a good few hundred a week there. Nursing care and residential care are two different things. I suspect you know this but will mention to inform others!
This is what gets to me when lefty loonies want to tax those who have saved for their old age instead of pissing their money up against the wall. Like that idiot John McDonnell who wanted to bring down inheritance tax to a threshold of £125,000.
It's those that are paying for their own nursing home fees, residential home fees and home care provider fees that are saving the tax payer and local council and health authority a small fortune! |
I thought McDonald was £425k, anyway he wanted to redistribute taxes more fairly and he didn't want the rich getting big tax breaks. |  |
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| NHS waiting lists on 23:58 - Oct 26 with 950 views | Wingstandwood |
| NHS waiting lists on 23:46 - Oct 26 by trampie |
I thought McDonald was £425k, anyway he wanted to redistribute taxes more fairly and he didn't want the rich getting big tax breaks. |
https://www.independent.co.uk/ | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 07:48 - Oct 27 with 914 views | trampie |
A good way of redistributing wealth then, the Tories take from ordinary people and give to the rich, hopefully somebody like McDonald would take from people who have means and give to the poor. | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 08:34 - Oct 27 with 905 views | Whiterockin |
| NHS waiting lists on 07:48 - Oct 27 by trampie |
A good way of redistributing wealth then, the Tories take from ordinary people and give to the rich, hopefully somebody like McDonald would take from people who have means and give to the poor. |
So an ordinary person in Wales who passes away with an average price house of £221K the next of kin would have to pay inheritance tax on nearly £100K. So is that fair or do you class it as taking money from people with means. |  | | |
| NHS waiting lists on 08:40 - Oct 27 with 886 views | trampie |
| NHS waiting lists on 08:34 - Oct 27 by Whiterockin |
So an ordinary person in Wales who passes away with an average price house of £221K the next of kin would have to pay inheritance tax on nearly £100K. So is that fair or do you class it as taking money from people with means. |
I think £125k is too a low a 'starting point' but nothing wrong with the idea of redistributing. | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 08:44 - Oct 27 with 884 views | Whiterockin |
| NHS waiting lists on 08:40 - Oct 27 by trampie |
I think £125k is too a low a 'starting point' but nothing wrong with the idea of redistributing. |
So what is a fair starting point in your opinion. You were going along with McDonnell and £125K a minute ago and saying give the money to the poor. | | | |
| NHS waiting lists on 09:53 - Oct 27 with 858 views | trampie |
| NHS waiting lists on 08:44 - Oct 27 by Whiterockin |
So what is a fair starting point in your opinion. You were going along with McDonnell and £125K a minute ago and saying give the money to the poor. |
I thought it was £425k and not £125k - me bad.
A fair starting point would be the average UK house price. | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 10:04 - Oct 27 with 851 views | BryanSwan |
| NHS waiting lists on 09:53 - Oct 27 by trampie |
I thought it was £425k and not £125k - me bad.
A fair starting point would be the average UK house price. |
To be fair for an ordinary person using a deed of gift is a good option for transfer of property to children etc, provided the the person transferring doesn't die within the 7 years after completion? (I think it's 7). | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 16:02 - Oct 27 with 808 views | Catullus |
| NHS waiting lists on 10:04 - Oct 27 by BryanSwan |
To be fair for an ordinary person using a deed of gift is a good option for transfer of property to children etc, provided the the person transferring doesn't die within the 7 years after completion? (I think it's 7). |
This is the route we plan on taking. | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 16:13 - Oct 27 with 805 views | Wingstandwood |
| NHS waiting lists on 16:02 - Oct 27 by Catullus |
This is the route we plan on taking. |
When you think about it the 40% rate for that tax is obcene! | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 16:37 - Oct 27 with 784 views | onehunglow |
| NHS waiting lists on 07:48 - Oct 27 by trampie |
A good way of redistributing wealth then, the Tories take from ordinary people and give to the rich, hopefully somebody like McDonald would take from people who have means and give to the poor. |
Who is ordinary?
Who is rich?
If one is ordinary then, that implies that a person's talent and usefullness to society is less than those who are not ordinary and that's right. That's socialism isnt it.You should be rewarded as per your usefullness to the Mother Country. Ergo,if a doctor ,you get paid more than a janitor. Basic socialism.
Who decides who is rich and what is the criteria.
Some memorable posts in this thread. I'll remember them anyway. Incredible people think this way.
Socialist Cuba pays its doctors modestly so are they are yardstick | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 16:37 - Oct 27 with 784 views | Whiterockin |
| NHS waiting lists on 16:02 - Oct 27 by Catullus |
This is the route we plan on taking. |
Seriously concider a blood line trust. There is much to think about, take some serious advice and take time before making a decision. | | | |
| NHS waiting lists on 16:43 - Oct 27 with 773 views | onehunglow |
| NHS waiting lists on 16:37 - Oct 27 by Whiterockin |
Seriously concider a blood line trust. There is much to think about, take some serious advice and take time before making a decision. |
Hang on a minute.Is this model on a pay with Aryan supremacy?
If I did one,if I found some foreign blood in the line,that would affect my Welshness and I wouldnt be pure ?
That right? | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 18:31 - Oct 27 with 729 views | felixstowe_jack |
| NHS waiting lists on 08:34 - Oct 27 by Whiterockin |
So an ordinary person in Wales who passes away with an average price house of £221K the next of kin would have to pay inheritance tax on nearly £100K. So is that fair or do you class it as taking money from people with means. |
Wrong they pay no inheritance tax on estates under £375,000
If the estate included a house with a value of £221k no tax is due. The threshold increases to £500,000 if you pass your house onto your spouse. | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 18:55 - Oct 27 with 720 views | BryanSwan |
| NHS waiting lists on 16:02 - Oct 27 by Catullus |
This is the route we plan on taking. |
Seriously worth looking into and getting all the facts, i know my late grandparents left their house to their children years and years ago. Got to do what you have to to try and give your kids/grandkids a chance nowadays. | |
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| NHS waiting lists on 19:51 - Oct 27 with 698 views | Whiterockin |
| NHS waiting lists on 18:31 - Oct 27 by felixstowe_jack |
Wrong they pay no inheritance tax on estates under £375,000
If the estate included a house with a value of £221k no tax is due. The threshold increases to £500,000 if you pass your house onto your spouse. |
I know that but tramps was confused and was quoting a threshold of £125K. I was saying it wasn't practical and giving an example. | | | |
| NHS waiting lists on 20:21 - Oct 27 with 683 views | Catullus |
| NHS waiting lists on 18:55 - Oct 27 by BryanSwan |
Seriously worth looking into and getting all the facts, i know my late grandparents left their house to their children years and years ago. Got to do what you have to to try and give your kids/grandkids a chance nowadays. |
The plan for a longbtime has been to sign the house over as soon as the mortgage is paid and then start looking for a decent sheltered accomodation not too far away. When the mortgage is finished I shall be 66, my wife 59 but these sheltered places have waiting lists.
I also took out life insurance that lasts until i am 75.
We have just the one kid who is 14, we are both trying hard to ensure he won't face a struggle. | |
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