| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour 13:36 - Nov 2 with 3496 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo
Southgate says he's visited Qatar and the overseas labourers all want the WC to go ahead.
He probably thinks totalitarian regimes are a good idea because everyone he is introduced to seems happy.
6,500 estimated deaths, this WC should not be happening.
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| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 14:50 - Nov 3 with 698 views | Whiterockin |
| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 14:45 - Nov 3 by onehunglow |
It is . Huge population in West Midlands too.
World away from a silent valley |
Even the whole of the West Midland is under £3M population, including the cities of Coventry and Wolverhampton. Areas like Dudley are included in the West Midlands and they have a population of 350,000. |  | | |
| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 15:43 - Nov 3 with 667 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The Urban population of Birmingham by which I mean linked urban areas to the centre has been quoted as 2,65 million. This is comparable in population to Qatar with 2.9m people including migrant workers.
The comparison was made to explain that if Birmingham had won the world cup the vast majority of contraction activity would be related to the worlds cup with airport 7 stadiums and a new metro related to the event.
Hobo was suggesting 3 deaths for the FIFA events and 6497 for migrant deaths in other predominantly construction activities in Qatar. I suggest other activities were actually a small percentage of the whole. |  |
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| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 15:50 - Nov 3 with 662 views | Whiterockin |
| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 15:43 - Nov 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Urban population of Birmingham by which I mean linked urban areas to the centre has been quoted as 2,65 million. This is comparable in population to Qatar with 2.9m people including migrant workers.
The comparison was made to explain that if Birmingham had won the world cup the vast majority of contraction activity would be related to the worlds cup with airport 7 stadiums and a new metro related to the event.
Hobo was suggesting 3 deaths for the FIFA events and 6497 for migrant deaths in other predominantly construction activities in Qatar. I suggest other activities were actually a small percentage of the whole. |
So you mean the West Midlands. Its very misleading to compare the population of Birmingham to Qatar.
https://www.city-town.uk/metro
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| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 15:55 - Nov 3 with 654 views | Catullus |
| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 19:18 - Nov 2 by Dr_Winston |
Both figures seem a bit ludicrous to be honest.
For 6500 people to be killed building seven stadiums they'd have to be firing the workers at the walls out of a cannon. That's nearly a thousand deaths per stadium.
Even if you include those killed on infrastructure projects it still seems high as hell. For comparison, 112 people were killed over five years building the Hoover Dam at a time where working class life wasn't worth a hell of a lot more in the US.
The truth, as always, is probably somewhere in the middle. |
I agree with you but even so, this is as much about the rights of those immigrant workers as about how many have died.
They are very poorly treated, not protected and work in dangerous conditions that the government out there allows. |  |
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| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 17:18 - Nov 3 with 632 views | Dr_Winston |
| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 15:55 - Nov 3 by Catullus |
I agree with you but even so, this is as much about the rights of those immigrant workers as about how many have died.
They are very poorly treated, not protected and work in dangerous conditions that the government out there allows. |
Absolutely. Certainly don't disagree on that. Just not one for hyperbole one way or another.
Basically four fifths of the entire Qatari population are migrant workers. Around 2.1m at the last count A figure of 6500 deaths in total is possible, maybe even likely since 2010, but I'd have a hard time believing that all of them are accident related, let alone World Cup related. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 17:40 - Nov 3 with 618 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 15:50 - Nov 3 by Whiterockin |
So you mean the West Midlands. Its very misleading to compare the population of Birmingham to Qatar.
https://www.city-town.uk/metro
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Hobo suggested that people should not 'conflate' the estimated fatalities of 6500 by journalists with the official number of 3. The reason he/she explained was that the 6500 was for the whole of Qatar.
I appreciate that the knowledge of Qatar by the honourable readership might not be that great. Had he been talking about Brasil or Argentina he might have a point. In terms of surface area it is half the size of Wales.
I therefore compared the populations of Metropolitan Birmingham with Qatar to demonstrate this is not a massive country. If WC2022 was in the West Midlands the vast majority of construction activity would be world cup related.
This is the case for Qatar and is an estimation based on personal knowledge of the way the world spins. Qatar is also guilty of have substandard data so estimates are the best you will get. [Post edited 3 Nov 2022 17:42]
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| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 17:49 - Nov 3 with 608 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 17:18 - Nov 3 by Dr_Winston |
Absolutely. Certainly don't disagree on that. Just not one for hyperbole one way or another.
Basically four fifths of the entire Qatari population are migrant workers. Around 2.1m at the last count A figure of 6500 deaths in total is possible, maybe even likely since 2010, but I'd have a hard time believing that all of them are accident related, let alone World Cup related. |
You do not t need to stretch your imagination about accidents. 6500 deaths were mostly "natural causes" in young male mostly healthy adults. 69% in total and 80% in Indian nationals.
They were literally worked to death in 45c+ conditions. Inadequate care was taken on food sanitation drinking water etc. It was slavery with brutal contracts. The actual causes are not known as the Qataris did not take good data. | |
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| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 23:22 - Nov 4 with 520 views | Catullus |
| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 17:49 - Nov 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You do not t need to stretch your imagination about accidents. 6500 deaths were mostly "natural causes" in young male mostly healthy adults. 69% in total and 80% in Indian nationals.
They were literally worked to death in 45c+ conditions. Inadequate care was taken on food sanitation drinking water etc. It was slavery with brutal contracts. The actual causes are not known as the Qataris did not take good data. |
Why would they take good data when it would prove the very thing they want to deny.
From a different angle, taking good data may suggest they cared about these workers when I doubt they give a monkeys.
These are people from dirt poor places who are drafted in and paid rubbish money by Qatari standards but which is a fortune to most of these migrant workers.
Most big corporations act this way too, they say the right things over here but then you find out they run sweatshops out in the far east where an average worker earns as much in a month as they would in a day in the UK. I was in touch with a guy in the gambia for a while, when I did a charity thing, His wage was 30 quid per month, I earned a lot more in a month than he earned in a year.
Greed drives it all. | |
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| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 17:10 - Nov 5 with 474 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Southgate Nonsense on WC Stadium Labour on 23:22 - Nov 4 by Catullus |
Why would they take good data when it would prove the very thing they want to deny.
From a different angle, taking good data may suggest they cared about these workers when I doubt they give a monkeys.
These are people from dirt poor places who are drafted in and paid rubbish money by Qatari standards but which is a fortune to most of these migrant workers.
Most big corporations act this way too, they say the right things over here but then you find out they run sweatshops out in the far east where an average worker earns as much in a month as they would in a day in the UK. I was in touch with a guy in the gambia for a while, when I did a charity thing, His wage was 30 quid per month, I earned a lot more in a month than he earned in a year.
Greed drives it all. |
Poor data is useful for them as it allows people like Hobo to blur the reality. Guilty people do this all the times by saying things like "there is no evidence".
Having poor data is another indication of poor care for people working on FIFA sponsored projects, FIFA are guilty in not doing due diligence. FIFA could have themselves drawn up draft guidelines for employing labourers and enforced it. | |
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