| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live 18:04 - Feb 5 with 1853 views | deepdale81 |
Last week on 2nd february radio 5 live nicky campbell programme talked about possible new regulation on football clubs with Tracey Crouch Mp.Its 1hour 5 mins in to the show.
You can listen again on bbc sounds.Mentions transparency,integrity etc.
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 18:57 - Feb 5 with 1771 views | Badlands |
And not a moment too soon.
Thank goodness we are a well run club. |  |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:04 - Feb 5 with 1757 views | Whiterockin |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 18:57 - Feb 5 by Badlands |
And not a moment too soon.
Thank goodness we are a well run club. |
If we were well run would the owners have had to put in the £16M they allege to have put in. I look forward to reading the updated accounts. |  | | |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:18 - Feb 5 with 1706 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:04 - Feb 5 by Whiterockin |
If we were well run would the owners have had to put in the £16M they allege to have put in. I look forward to reading the updated accounts. |
They would not have to put in £16m if they did not pay the players so well.
Swansea has heavy with wages and punching like a lightweight. A beautiful boxer with no KO punch. The team under Martin have become easy meat for big bruising sides and wilt under intense pressure. As Monk used to say Swansea do no 'handle the difficult moments' well. win heavily on points then get KO ed. even by a Mexican road sweeper. (e.g. Oxford Utd) through sloppiness.
I have argued for a new approach where no new payers come in over the age of 18 and all transfer moneys is put into the academy with 2 or three older pros lie Allen and Naughton. |  |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:20 - Feb 5 with 1701 views | Whiterockin |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:18 - Feb 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They would not have to put in £16m if they did not pay the players so well.
Swansea has heavy with wages and punching like a lightweight. A beautiful boxer with no KO punch. The team under Martin have become easy meat for big bruising sides and wilt under intense pressure. As Monk used to say Swansea do no 'handle the difficult moments' well. win heavily on points then get KO ed. even by a Mexican road sweeper. (e.g. Oxford Utd) through sloppiness.
I have argued for a new approach where no new payers come in over the age of 18 and all transfer moneys is put into the academy with 2 or three older pros lie Allen and Naughton. |
So when was this £16M actually put in. | | | |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:24 - Feb 5 with 1678 views | Boundy |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:18 - Feb 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They would not have to put in £16m if they did not pay the players so well.
Swansea has heavy with wages and punching like a lightweight. A beautiful boxer with no KO punch. The team under Martin have become easy meat for big bruising sides and wilt under intense pressure. As Monk used to say Swansea do no 'handle the difficult moments' well. win heavily on points then get KO ed. even by a Mexican road sweeper. (e.g. Oxford Utd) through sloppiness.
I have argued for a new approach where no new payers come in over the age of 18 and all transfer moneys is put into the academy with 2 or three older pros lie Allen and Naughton. |
You want to have.a squad consisting of 18 year olds ,tell you what the Club have just signed Mitchell Bates from Briton Ferry , no slight on the boy but really that's the level you want | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:58 - Feb 5 with 1570 views | magicdaps10 |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:04 - Feb 5 by Whiterockin |
If we were well run would the owners have had to put in the £16M they allege to have put in. I look forward to reading the updated accounts. |
Yep, 16m covers their mistakes and incompetence.
They seem to be making the same mistakes after 7 years
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:59 - Feb 5 with 1568 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:24 - Feb 5 by Boundy |
You want to have.a squad consisting of 18 year olds ,tell you what the Club have just signed Mitchell Bates from Briton Ferry , no slight on the boy but really that's the level you want |
If the £16m is true than we can assume a £8m annual deficit. Huw Jenkins and co could never have managed these sort of losses.
Swansea lets assume have a balance transfer kitty. What goes out is what comes in. This roughly has happened excluding Downes. I pointed out the collapse in the footballer trading model for Swansea. Three clubs wanted Whitaker none would pay for him.
So in the long term something has to give. I am suggesting keeping the academy and blooding youngsters sooner. I labelled them the 'dirty dozen'. Since then Cullen Cooper Benda and Cabango have got themselves in the first 11.
Wages have to be forced down. Allen Grimes Fulton Patterson have to be gradually eased out by Abdullah, Cotterill, Congreve and Lloyd with Joseph and Brandon Cooper returning.
Swsnsea city have to do what Brendan did with low cost Mark Gower, Tommy Butler, Monk Neil Taylor. Swansea could not afford to keep Jordi Gomez.
£200k signings should be for highly rated 18 year olds. There are plenty of free agents to fill the gaps. | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:04 - Feb 5 with 1548 views | Whiterockin |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:59 - Feb 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If the £16m is true than we can assume a £8m annual deficit. Huw Jenkins and co could never have managed these sort of losses.
Swansea lets assume have a balance transfer kitty. What goes out is what comes in. This roughly has happened excluding Downes. I pointed out the collapse in the footballer trading model for Swansea. Three clubs wanted Whitaker none would pay for him.
So in the long term something has to give. I am suggesting keeping the academy and blooding youngsters sooner. I labelled them the 'dirty dozen'. Since then Cullen Cooper Benda and Cabango have got themselves in the first 11.
Wages have to be forced down. Allen Grimes Fulton Patterson have to be gradually eased out by Abdullah, Cotterill, Congreve and Lloyd with Joseph and Brandon Cooper returning.
Swsnsea city have to do what Brendan did with low cost Mark Gower, Tommy Butler, Monk Neil Taylor. Swansea could not afford to keep Jordi Gomez.
£200k signings should be for highly rated 18 year olds. There are plenty of free agents to fill the gaps. |
If the £16M is true it should show up somewhere in the accounts. As I say I look forward to seeing the accounts. No assumptions to be done, provide the hard evidence. | | | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:06 - Feb 5 with 1534 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:58 - Feb 5 by magicdaps10 |
Yep, 16m covers their mistakes and incompetence.
They seem to be making the same mistakes after 7 years
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What kind of mistakes?
You mean like signing the likes of Fisher who doesn’t get used unless freak injuries? Or Darling that now sits on the bench?
That would be the mistake of backing the manager that so many people are complaining that they don’t do.
Can’t have it both ways. When they spend then they are “making mistakes” when they don’t, they “lack ambition and need to go”.
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:14 - Feb 5 with 1517 views | Boundy |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:59 - Feb 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If the £16m is true than we can assume a £8m annual deficit. Huw Jenkins and co could never have managed these sort of losses.
Swansea lets assume have a balance transfer kitty. What goes out is what comes in. This roughly has happened excluding Downes. I pointed out the collapse in the footballer trading model for Swansea. Three clubs wanted Whitaker none would pay for him.
So in the long term something has to give. I am suggesting keeping the academy and blooding youngsters sooner. I labelled them the 'dirty dozen'. Since then Cullen Cooper Benda and Cabango have got themselves in the first 11.
Wages have to be forced down. Allen Grimes Fulton Patterson have to be gradually eased out by Abdullah, Cotterill, Congreve and Lloyd with Joseph and Brandon Cooper returning.
Swsnsea city have to do what Brendan did with low cost Mark Gower, Tommy Butler, Monk Neil Taylor. Swansea could not afford to keep Jordi Gomez.
£200k signings should be for highly rated 18 year olds. There are plenty of free agents to fill the gaps. |
I certainly agree about the Academy and the introduction of those players into the first team but those players have to develop into regular players who are good enough to play at the level we are now and none of those you've mentioned are anywhere near that level so until they are you have to bring players who are and that comes at cost , unless of course you're prepared to see us drop down the leagues to rebuild , not something which should be considered . Even dropping down leagues players are bought and sold so what would we gain .? | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:16 - Feb 5 with 1510 views | magicdaps10 |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:06 - Feb 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
What kind of mistakes?
You mean like signing the likes of Fisher who doesn’t get used unless freak injuries? Or Darling that now sits on the bench?
That would be the mistake of backing the manager that so many people are complaining that they don’t do.
Can’t have it both ways. When they spend then they are “making mistakes” when they don’t, they “lack ambition and need to go”.
It’s beyond ridiculous. |
On a small scale, yes.
But if we are talking 16M then we would likely be talking about the failures in signing players like Bony 2nd time around, Baston and Clucas.......throw in their wages. Lets not talk about Ayew mk2 when there was no relegation clause in his wages.......wascthat a risk worth taking!? Its hindsight but these are businessmen who should have had experience in these decisions.
I have highlighted this recently and its getting tedious to give my reasons and just be asked time and time again.
Its not about spending lots, it's about spending wisely........something they seem to have not got in order and not learned after 7 years running the club.
As you say, it's beyond ridiculous. | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:21 - Feb 5 with 1486 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:16 - Feb 5 by magicdaps10 |
On a small scale, yes.
But if we are talking 16M then we would likely be talking about the failures in signing players like Bony 2nd time around, Baston and Clucas.......throw in their wages. Lets not talk about Ayew mk2 when there was no relegation clause in his wages.......wascthat a risk worth taking!? Its hindsight but these are businessmen who should have had experience in these decisions.
I have highlighted this recently and its getting tedious to give my reasons and just be asked time and time again.
Its not about spending lots, it's about spending wisely........something they seem to have not got in order and not learned after 7 years running the club.
As you say, it's beyond ridiculous. |
Then you are incorrect.
The £16m was for things in the last two years since Jake has been involved. Those would include being able to bring in the likes of Ntcham, Joe Allen, Harry Darling, Fisher, Wood, Pato, Wolff, Sorinola etc etc
As well as give contracts to the likes of Fulton.
Essentially, backing Martin.
So is it a mistake to carry on backing him? In which case January was fantastic?
Or is it highly desirable they carry on backing him? In which case we should be thankful they are willing to put in £16m to do so.
Again, can’t have it both ways. | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:30 - Feb 5 with 1476 views | magicdaps10 |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:21 - Feb 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Then you are incorrect.
The £16m was for things in the last two years since Jake has been involved. Those would include being able to bring in the likes of Ntcham, Joe Allen, Harry Darling, Fisher, Wood, Pato, Wolff, Sorinola etc etc
As well as give contracts to the likes of Fulton.
Essentially, backing Martin.
So is it a mistake to carry on backing him? In which case January was fantastic?
Or is it highly desirable they carry on backing him? In which case we should be thankful they are willing to put in £16m to do so.
Again, can’t have it both ways. |
Nothing to do with previous misdealings and covid then!
As you say, can't have it both ways. | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:34 - Feb 5 with 1447 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:30 - Feb 5 by magicdaps10 |
Nothing to do with previous misdealings and covid then!
As you say, can't have it both ways. |
Yes Covid also played a part with them yet again keeping the club afloat.
Nothing to do with the signing of Bony 6 years ago and 4 years before Jake got involved, no.
Again, you either want them to back Russ or you don’t. You can’t complain about both simultaneously. | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:47 - Feb 5 with 1418 views | magicdaps10 |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:34 - Feb 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yes Covid also played a part with them yet again keeping the club afloat.
Nothing to do with the signing of Bony 6 years ago and 4 years before Jake got involved, no.
Again, you either want them to back Russ or you don’t. You can’t complain about both simultaneously. |
You don't think we are still paying the price for transfer fees and wages paid out in our last couple of years in the Premier league? | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:53 - Feb 5 with 1399 views | Dr_Winston |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:47 - Feb 5 by magicdaps10 |
You don't think we are still paying the price for transfer fees and wages paid out in our last couple of years in the Premier league? |
It's been nearly five years. Everything Prem related is now off the books. The sale of Rodon basically put the capstone on all that. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 20:55]
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:54 - Feb 5 with 1390 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:47 - Feb 5 by magicdaps10 |
You don't think we are still paying the price for transfer fees and wages paid out in our last couple of years in the Premier league? |
Certainly not.
Although you referenced “continued mistakes” and “making the same ones 7 years ago”. Even if it were true (which it isn’t as amortisation tends to be over a period of 2 seasons…. Not 6) - it wouldn’t be as you described. That’s not a repeated mistake.
Again, this £16m has largely been to fund Martin.
So you either want this, or you don’t.
You will have to decide that and come back to me. | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 21:01 - Feb 5 with 1370 views | magicdaps10 |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:54 - Feb 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Certainly not.
Although you referenced “continued mistakes” and “making the same ones 7 years ago”. Even if it were true (which it isn’t as amortisation tends to be over a period of 2 seasons…. Not 6) - it wouldn’t be as you described. That’s not a repeated mistake.
Again, this £16m has largely been to fund Martin.
So you either want this, or you don’t.
You will have to decide that and come back to me. |
I gave my view on how I wanted things to go that you refer to.......i can't repeat myself time again, it gets boring with you asking a question time and time again when I gave my views previous.
It gets tiresome with you. | |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 21:07 - Feb 5 with 1345 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 21:01 - Feb 5 by magicdaps10 |
I gave my view on how I wanted things to go that you refer to.......i can't repeat myself time again, it gets boring with you asking a question time and time again when I gave my views previous.
It gets tiresome with you. |
So as usual when your accusations get proven incorrect and your information inaccurate, you get personal and defensive.
I have asked a simple question.
Highlighted the £16m has been to back Martin.
Asked do you want them to continue to do this (in which case the £16m should be praised and not criticised), or not do this (in which case January can’t be complained at).
You haven’t answered that once. Largely because you want to attack them from both angles - despite each one being diametrically opposed. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 21:09]
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:32 - Feb 6 with 1017 views | BarrySwan |
MPs to legislate on integrity and transparency?
That should be a hoot. | | | |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:52 - Feb 6 with 999 views | KeithHaynes |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:32 - Feb 6 by BarrySwan |
MPs to legislate on integrity and transparency?
That should be a hoot. |
That did make me smile. |  |
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| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 14:19 - Feb 7 with 848 views | whiterock |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 20:21 - Feb 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
Then you are incorrect.
The £16m was for things in the last two years since Jake has been involved. Those would include being able to bring in the likes of Ntcham, Joe Allen, Harry Darling, Fisher, Wood, Pato, Wolff, Sorinola etc etc
As well as give contracts to the likes of Fulton.
Essentially, backing Martin.
So is it a mistake to carry on backing him? In which case January was fantastic?
Or is it highly desirable they carry on backing him? In which case we should be thankful they are willing to put in £16m to do so.
Again, can’t have it both ways. |
You forgot the Pandemic, no gate receipts for over a year takes its toll, that £16m saw us through a difficult period, lets not be ungrateful to our owners all the time. | | | |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 14:21 - Feb 7 with 846 views | whiterock |
| Dodgy owners Radio 5 live on 19:24 - Feb 5 by Boundy |
You want to have.a squad consisting of 18 year olds ,tell you what the Club have just signed Mitchell Bates from Briton Ferry , no slight on the boy but really that's the level you want |
So would you have signed Ivor Allchurch from Plasmarl? | | | |
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