| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton 11:40 - Jun 5 with 4765 views | SwansIndependent |
 An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton 5th Jun 2023 11:38Another jewel in the Russell Martin to Southampton saga became evident yesterday when the Saints made it known to several journalists their position on the situation of his employment. And a new turning point became evident as a result. This means that once the Championship fixtures of Southampton are announced next week they will appoint Martin as their new manager. The reason ? Any compensation they have to pay for the appointment will be as a championship club.  0
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 13:42 - Jun 5 with 2953 views | blackpooljack |
Ive been a supporter of Russ even through the bad periods but if he now deliberately acts in a way where as financially the Swans are disadvantaged ( unlike Brendan ) the he, Russ can just go right off and make him a bigger Judas than Roberto ever was.
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 14:26 - Jun 5 with 2862 views | onehunglow |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 13:42 - Jun 5 by blackpooljack |
Ive been a supporter of Russ even through the bad periods but if he now deliberately acts in a way where as financially the Swans are disadvantaged ( unlike Brendan ) the he, Russ can just go right off and make him a bigger Judas than Roberto ever was.
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Yeah [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 16:35]
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 14:37 - Jun 5 with 2839 views | KeithHaynes |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 14:26 - Jun 5 by onehunglow |
Yeah [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 16:35]
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This is nothing to do with Martin, it’s the two clubs being bolshy with each other and standing their ground.
On your claims against him the website refuse to accept them as fact and are merely your opinion, as are all posts that could be considered defamation on anyone’s character. You could of course remove them or change your wording by edit.
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 15:00 - Jun 5 with 2771 views | blackpooljack |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 14:37 - Jun 5 by KeithHaynes |
This is nothing to do with Martin, it’s the two clubs being bolshy with each other and standing their ground.
On your claims against him the website refuse to accept them as fact and are merely your opinion, as are all posts that could be considered defamation on anyone’s character. You could of course remove them or change your wording by edit.
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Got to disagree with you there Keith about it having nothing to do with Russ as your article says Martin can just leave the Swans and join Soton and let the powers that be sort out the compo, if he had any decency about him he would make sure the Swans came out of this financially better off, he may loathe the owners for not backing him but this shouldnt be about the owners it should be about the club, the fans and the community [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 15:01]
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 15:02 - Jun 5 with 2760 views | guthrieintherain |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 14:37 - Jun 5 by KeithHaynes |
This is nothing to do with Martin, it’s the two clubs being bolshy with each other and standing their ground.
On your claims against him the website refuse to accept them as fact and are merely your opinion, as are all posts that could be considered defamation on anyone’s character. You could of course remove them or change your wording by edit.
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Strange how people change the facts to suit their narrative.
I supported Martin whilst he was our manager but I could still see his limitations.
I will support the next one as well.
What I really don't understand is why people get so entrenched in their views.
For me it should change as the season develops it's not that complicating. | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 15:34 - Jun 5 with 2681 views | guthrieintherain |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 15:00 - Jun 5 by blackpooljack |
Got to disagree with you there Keith about it having nothing to do with Russ as your article says Martin can just leave the Swans and join Soton and let the powers that be sort out the compo, if he had any decency about him he would make sure the Swans came out of this financially better off, he may loathe the owners for not backing him but this shouldnt be about the owners it should be about the club, the fans and the community [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 15:01]
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We lost 14 million last financial year.
And he was backed not in January but he was for the other 18 months. | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 16:01 - Jun 5 with 2648 views | nantywatcher |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 15:00 - Jun 5 by blackpooljack |
Got to disagree with you there Keith about it having nothing to do with Russ as your article says Martin can just leave the Swans and join Soton and let the powers that be sort out the compo, if he had any decency about him he would make sure the Swans came out of this financially better off, he may loathe the owners for not backing him but this shouldnt be about the owners it should be about the club, the fans and the community [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 15:01]
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" He may loathe the owners for not backing him."
NOT BACKING HIM!!!
They kept him in the job when 95% of the clubs in the UK would have sacked him well before the end of our awful run in the winter. A good sequence of results in the meaningless end of season run of matches does not make him a good manager.
Southampton have stated that they have targeted WINNING the Championship next season; Martin will not get away with an awful run of bad results with his new bosses. | | | |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 16:13 - Jun 5 with 2624 views | Badlands |
Martin has already agreed a three-year contract with the south coast side. The two clubs are working on a compromise deal.
If it has been agreed then that agreement date, unless another date was stated in a contract, should be the point compensation is set! |  |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 16:25 - Jun 5 with 2610 views | Fireboy2 |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 16:01 - Jun 5 by nantywatcher |
" He may loathe the owners for not backing him."
NOT BACKING HIM!!!
They kept him in the job when 95% of the clubs in the UK would have sacked him well before the end of our awful run in the winter. A good sequence of results in the meaningless end of season run of matches does not make him a good manager.
Southampton have stated that they have targeted WINNING the Championship next season; Martin will not get away with an awful run of bad results with his new bosses. |
Here we go again.
Our owners will never sack another manager whilst we are in the championship. |  | | |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 16:49 - Jun 5 with 2566 views | blackpooljack |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 15:34 - Jun 5 by guthrieintherain |
We lost 14 million last financial year.
And he was backed not in January but he was for the other 18 months. |
Thats sort of my point we are not a wealthy club and Russ could choose to help us out by making sure we are adequately compensated for his leaving but it sounds like he's not intending to, as for not being backed yes he did get a few players he wanted but he also got some that he didnt. | | | |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 17:27 - Jun 5 with 2482 views | guthrieintherain |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 16:49 - Jun 5 by blackpooljack |
Thats sort of my point we are not a wealthy club and Russ could choose to help us out by making sure we are adequately compensated for his leaving but it sounds like he's not intending to, as for not being backed yes he did get a few players he wanted but he also got some that he didnt. |
But no manager gets complete control over signings these days.
Russ wanted Fisher and sorinola neither were worth the money.
Did well with Downes but it's been a mixed bag really.
The owners have been ok run the club as a sustainable model but it will always be diffucult in the Championship.
Picked some good managers as well.
It's the indecision with buying players that's their biggest weakness for me. | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 17:27 - Jun 5 with 2481 views | KeithHaynes |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 15:00 - Jun 5 by blackpooljack |
Got to disagree with you there Keith about it having nothing to do with Russ as your article says Martin can just leave the Swans and join Soton and let the powers that be sort out the compo, if he had any decency about him he would make sure the Swans came out of this financially better off, he may loathe the owners for not backing him but this shouldnt be about the owners it should be about the club, the fans and the community [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 15:01]
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But any agreement is made by people who run both clubs is the whole point.
Martin can’t affect that.
The fans, community etc can’t have an opinion as there’s so much info about that is or isn’t correct.
The report this morning was purely to clarify the legal points 👠| |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 17:29 - Jun 5 with 2467 views | KeithHaynes |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 16:13 - Jun 5 by Badlands |
Martin has already agreed a three-year contract with the south coast side. The two clubs are working on a compromise deal.
If it has been agreed then that agreement date, unless another date was stated in a contract, should be the point compensation is set! |
As the report stated this morning there’s expert opinion on the whole situation which will be contradicted by other expert opinion dependent on the side they take or the money they are paid. | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 17:29 - Jun 5 with 2462 views | Dr_Winston |
Of course Russell Martin isn't going to care about helping us get a better financial deal out of Southampton. Why on Earth would he? He's just going to do what the vast majority of other players or coaches do when a better offer comes along.
A lot of people have allowed themselves to forget that though. It's almost as if Martinez was never manager here. That lesson should have been enough for anyone never to make the same mistake when it comes to judging the "loyalty" for want of a better word of any employee of the club. There are a rare few for whom it isn't the case and they should be the pleasant surprise. Otherwise assume that they're all passing through.
Don't believe the arse kissing/fist pumping when it happens and you won't be that bothered by the abrupt departure when that happens too. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 17:30 - Jun 5 with 2455 views | KeithHaynes |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 15:02 - Jun 5 by guthrieintherain |
Strange how people change the facts to suit their narrative.
I supported Martin whilst he was our manager but I could still see his limitations.
I will support the next one as well.
What I really don't understand is why people get so entrenched in their views.
For me it should change as the season develops it's not that complicating. |
An open mind is what people need if their desire to control everything and understand it is their thing. | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 17:31 - Jun 5 with 2452 views | pencoedjack |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 16:01 - Jun 5 by nantywatcher |
" He may loathe the owners for not backing him."
NOT BACKING HIM!!!
They kept him in the job when 95% of the clubs in the UK would have sacked him well before the end of our awful run in the winter. A good sequence of results in the meaningless end of season run of matches does not make him a good manager.
Southampton have stated that they have targeted WINNING the Championship next season; Martin will not get away with an awful run of bad results with his new bosses. |
He will be sacked by Christmas. |  | | |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 17:36 - Jun 5 with 2431 views | KeithHaynes |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 17:31 - Jun 5 by pencoedjack |
He will be sacked by Christmas. |
That long ? | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:01 - Jun 5 with 2377 views | majorraglan |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 15:00 - Jun 5 by blackpooljack |
Got to disagree with you there Keith about it having nothing to do with Russ as your article says Martin can just leave the Swans and join Soton and let the powers that be sort out the compo, if he had any decency about him he would make sure the Swans came out of this financially better off, he may loathe the owners for not backing him but this shouldnt be about the owners it should be about the club, the fans and the community [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 15:01]
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Disagree with you on this, I think he’d be barking to walk and leave the Swans. Firstly, he’d be breaking his contract and would be liable to damages plus legal costs when the Swans sued him, he’d also be liable for the Swans legal costs too. Factor in his coaching team being sued for breach of contract, legal costs etc and it gets pretty ugly. Imagine if Southampton withdrew the offer of a job after he’d walked away from Swansea - he’d be well in the ….!
He’s miles better off being piggy in the middle and letting the clubs sort it out. | | | |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:06 - Jun 5 with 2359 views | KeithHaynes |
The legal position from the conversation we had is this.
‘In law Russell Martin can walk out on Swansea citing them breaching their own contractual obligations to him, but that’s moving in to new ground. The regulations are clear. ‘When a football coach unilaterally terminates the contract, the consequences will depend on whether the coach can establish that he or her had just cause for the termination. For the football coach to establish just cause, it must first be established that the club has breached its contractual obligations. If that is the case, the next consideration is whether the club’s breach of its contractual obligations is significant enough to establish just cause’
Their opinion.
‘Sensibly Russell Martin would need to review his own currency in this. The key factor is if he does walk out on Swansea, and he can as stated above, is his own professional status as a football manager if this goes wrong. He will potentially be perceived as troublesome and his stock could reduce as a result. That’s just opinion, and conversely that could happen to any of the parties involved’ | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:14 - Jun 5 with 2341 views | Luther27 |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:06 - Jun 5 by KeithHaynes |
The legal position from the conversation we had is this.
‘In law Russell Martin can walk out on Swansea citing them breaching their own contractual obligations to him, but that’s moving in to new ground. The regulations are clear. ‘When a football coach unilaterally terminates the contract, the consequences will depend on whether the coach can establish that he or her had just cause for the termination. For the football coach to establish just cause, it must first be established that the club has breached its contractual obligations. If that is the case, the next consideration is whether the club’s breach of its contractual obligations is significant enough to establish just cause’
Their opinion.
‘Sensibly Russell Martin would need to review his own currency in this. The key factor is if he does walk out on Swansea, and he can as stated above, is his own professional status as a football manager if this goes wrong. He will potentially be perceived as troublesome and his stock could reduce as a result. That’s just opinion, and conversely that could happen to any of the parties involved’ |
Why is everything so flaming complicated with our club. Nothing ever seems to go smoothly wether it be managerial changes to signing players.
I honestly have come to the end of my tether. | | | |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:15 - Jun 5 with 2334 views | KeithHaynes |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:14 - Jun 5 by Luther27 |
Why is everything so flaming complicated with our club. Nothing ever seems to go smoothly wether it be managerial changes to signing players.
I honestly have come to the end of my tether. |
It’s merely the legal position.
Can’t see it coming to this.
But both clubs need to grow up and sort it. | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:19 - Jun 5 with 2321 views | Luther27 |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:15 - Jun 5 by KeithHaynes |
It’s merely the legal position.
Can’t see it coming to this.
But both clubs need to grow up and sort it. |
But it’s dragged on already Keith, and I’ve no doubt it’ll be more War and Peace when it comes to finding his replacement, strangely enough like a repeat episode of how Martin was appointed. | | | |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:25 - Jun 5 with 2304 views | onehunglow |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:19 - Jun 5 by Luther27 |
But it’s dragged on already Keith, and I’ve no doubt it’ll be more War and Peace when it comes to finding his replacement, strangely enough like a repeat episode of how Martin was appointed. |
It baffles me.
Coach wants to leave so let him
If it costs ,it costs.what costs more is a bad pre season and preparation . | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:34 - Jun 5 with 2290 views | KeithHaynes |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:19 - Jun 5 by Luther27 |
But it’s dragged on already Keith, and I’ve no doubt it’ll be more War and Peace when it comes to finding his replacement, strangely enough like a repeat episode of how Martin was appointed. |
For sure. | |
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| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 18:53 - Jun 5 with 2240 views | blackpooljack |
| An attempt to clarify the position between Swansea and Southampton on 17:29 - Jun 5 by Dr_Winston |
Of course Russell Martin isn't going to care about helping us get a better financial deal out of Southampton. Why on Earth would he? He's just going to do what the vast majority of other players or coaches do when a better offer comes along.
A lot of people have allowed themselves to forget that though. It's almost as if Martinez was never manager here. That lesson should have been enough for anyone never to make the same mistake when it comes to judging the "loyalty" for want of a better word of any employee of the club. There are a rare few for whom it isn't the case and they should be the pleasant surprise. Otherwise assume that they're all passing through.
Don't believe the arse kissing/fist pumping when it happens and you won't be that bothered by the abrupt departure when that happens too. |
Brendan Rodgers certainly looked after us | | | |
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