| Same old, same old with these owners 21:33 - Jun 15 with 6069 views | sw02sea |
Well, would you believe it, hopes are to be dashed by our owners.
Personally, I thought CD was a perfect fit for us according to reports on here, ie. “We are aiming high” and he was young and hungry to step up to be a manager.
So was he the “Aiming high” candidate ?
Or maybe s there a plan B? |  | | |  |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 00:09 - Jun 17 with 1337 views | max936 |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 23:46 - Jun 16 by Dr_Winston |
People need to stop pretending that Potter, Cooper and Martin have left or are leaving for any reason other than their own interests.
Roberto Martinez's useful idiots excused him for leaving by pretending that he'd have stayed if only the club had spent £1.5m on Gomez. It was obvious cobblers then and the same argument is obvious cobblers now. Nobody takes the job here without being well aware from the off what the situation is.
It's particularly crazy that there are people out there trying to claim that Martin hasn't been backed despite us transferring £2m to MK Dons for players he specifically demanded and sticking with him despite a run of form that would have seen him sacked anywhere else. |
I don't pretend anything, 3 managers couldn't wait to get out of the door, that speaks volumes, we won't get anywhere with Levien calling the shots.
Potter. Cooper and Martin asked for help all three were obviously ignored so they rightly left, all three can't be wrong!
Martin, had a vision that we clearly couldn't finance, I don't doubt that, I must have said it a thousand times on here that he wanted to follow Peps idealistic views on playing the game, that was impossible to achieve on the budget and playing staff we had, but he insisted on perusing that aim, until the inevitable happened with the shit hitting the fan, he then had to pull it out of the bag, which in fairness he did in those last 9/10 games, it would have been interesting to see what he could have achieved next season.
Anyway lets see what happens in the coming months, after the promises that were made after the January window.  [Post edited 17 Jun 2023 0:10]
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| Same old, same old with these owners on 07:42 - Jun 17 with 1297 views | herbie |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 22:42 - Jun 16 by Whiterockin |
Plus the coaching team and any players.
The £2m is the difference between the compensation for RM and the coaching staff or paying them off, keep up. [Post edited 16 Jun 2023 22:45]
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Keep up? We can accept the championship price now so there isn’t a case of paying him off. We are arguing over £400k. Keep up! | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 07:51 - Jun 17 with 1291 views | Dr_Winston |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 00:09 - Jun 17 by max936 |
I don't pretend anything, 3 managers couldn't wait to get out of the door, that speaks volumes, we won't get anywhere with Levien calling the shots.
Potter. Cooper and Martin asked for help all three were obviously ignored so they rightly left, all three can't be wrong!
Martin, had a vision that we clearly couldn't finance, I don't doubt that, I must have said it a thousand times on here that he wanted to follow Peps idealistic views on playing the game, that was impossible to achieve on the budget and playing staff we had, but he insisted on perusing that aim, until the inevitable happened with the shit hitting the fan, he then had to pull it out of the bag, which in fairness he did in those last 9/10 games, it would have been interesting to see what he could have achieved next season.
Anyway lets see what happens in the coming months, after the promises that were made after the January window. [Post edited 17 Jun 2023 0:10]
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It suits the narrative to believe that all three were basically the managerial version of Oliver Twist.
In reality all three were given significant financial backing to the extent that additional funds have had to be injected into the club in recent seasons to cover the losses incurred by the playing budget. That is indisputable and a matter of record. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Same old, same old with these owners on 08:31 - Jun 17 with 1261 views | pencoedjack |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 07:51 - Jun 17 by Dr_Winston |
It suits the narrative to believe that all three were basically the managerial version of Oliver Twist.
In reality all three were given significant financial backing to the extent that additional funds have had to be injected into the club in recent seasons to cover the losses incurred by the playing budget. That is indisputable and a matter of record. |
It’s obvious that Martin jumped ship as soon as a better offer come along, those who hung onto his every word are all feeling gutted.
It’s blatantly obvious that Southampton with parachute payments is a far better managerial position than the Swansea job, those believing that nobody wants the Swansea job are deluded.
Martin will be sacked by Southampton before Christmas he’s a fraud & shouldn't be included in the same sentence as Rodgers Potter & Martinez. |  | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 08:35 - Jun 17 with 1256 views | sw02sea |
NOW SCREENING
“Groundhog Day 2,3,4,5 etc”
The plot…… “An all American cast who’ve forgotten their lines, and mayhem ensues”
The Reviews:
The Sun….“I could not believe what I was watching, it’s hilarious!!”
The Telegraph…. “The Swansea Whey !” This milk has really curdled !
The Evening Post…. “I’ve seen it all before” | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 09:05 - Jun 17 with 1237 views | Whiterockin |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 08:35 - Jun 17 by sw02sea |
NOW SCREENING
“Groundhog Day 2,3,4,5 etc”
The plot…… “An all American cast who’ve forgotten their lines, and mayhem ensues”
The Reviews:
The Sun….“I could not believe what I was watching, it’s hilarious!!”
The Telegraph…. “The Swansea Whey !” This milk has really curdled !
The Evening Post…. “I’ve seen it all before” |
Don't feed the WUM. |  | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 09:07 - Jun 17 with 1236 views | Dr_Winston |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 08:31 - Jun 17 by pencoedjack |
It’s obvious that Martin jumped ship as soon as a better offer come along, those who hung onto his every word are all feeling gutted.
It’s blatantly obvious that Southampton with parachute payments is a far better managerial position than the Swansea job, those believing that nobody wants the Swansea job are deluded.
Martin will be sacked by Southampton before Christmas he’s a fraud & shouldn't be included in the same sentence as Rodgers Potter & Martinez. |
It's also got the added advantage of being only about 90 minutes drive from Brighton.
The idea that he wants out because he's "not been backed", and not because he's been offered a whopping great payrise and the ability to move back home is absolutely batty. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Same old, same old with these owners on 09:19 - Jun 17 with 1218 views | onehunglow |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 08:31 - Jun 17 by pencoedjack |
It’s obvious that Martin jumped ship as soon as a better offer come along, those who hung onto his every word are all feeling gutted.
It’s blatantly obvious that Southampton with parachute payments is a far better managerial position than the Swansea job, those believing that nobody wants the Swansea job are deluded.
Martin will be sacked by Southampton before Christmas he’s a fraud & shouldn't be included in the same sentence as Rodgers Potter & Martinez. |
Truly,I d rather be proven wrong but ,folks,this was always going to happen.
Martin is quite brilliant in all the wrong ways
He caught us out
He took fans for mugs
He should not be at our club
The cost of keeping him a day longer is too much.
Frankly,he turns my stomach and always has done | |
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| Same old, same old with these owners on 10:20 - Jun 17 with 1189 views | sw02sea |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 09:19 - Jun 17 by onehunglow |
Truly,I d rather be proven wrong but ,folks,this was always going to happen.
Martin is quite brilliant in all the wrong ways
He caught us out
He took fans for mugs
He should not be at our club
The cost of keeping him a day longer is too much.
Frankly,he turns my stomach and always has done |
Never mind,4 weeks and counting, of lost pre-season for him.
Now where have I heard that previously as an excuse? Hmm
He’s printing his own “Get out of jail free” card the longer the fiasco continues.
Perhaps the delay is the haggling over Andy Parslow’s compo?
I’ve heard our board are taking him to a tribunal, to claim for money back as a set piece coach, for false representation, as described in the trade’s description act | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 11:12 - Jun 17 with 1152 views | onehunglow |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 10:20 - Jun 17 by sw02sea |
Never mind,4 weeks and counting, of lost pre-season for him.
Now where have I heard that previously as an excuse? Hmm
He’s printing his own “Get out of jail free” card the longer the fiasco continues.
Perhaps the delay is the haggling over Andy Parslow’s compo?
I’ve heard our board are taking him to a tribunal, to claim for money back as a set piece coach, for false representation, as described in the trade’s description act |
In short, he has been nothing short a poor choice whose exit is proving a problem.
He is and has been a problem,more than some will know.
Our owners have let us down by allowing him to get away with murder | |
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| Same old, same old with these owners on 11:13 - Jun 17 with 1145 views | max936 |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 07:51 - Jun 17 by Dr_Winston |
It suits the narrative to believe that all three were basically the managerial version of Oliver Twist.
In reality all three were given significant financial backing to the extent that additional funds have had to be injected into the club in recent seasons to cover the losses incurred by the playing budget. That is indisputable and a matter of record. |
That is indisputable and a matter of record.
No one is arguing that those three weren't backed, but come the January window all three felt that they needed to add one or two pieces to the squad, after assessing the squad they had since the summer before.
Funnily enough that's why there is a January Transfer window.
Its funny on how managers are always to blame and these owners get off scot free with some supporters. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 11:35 - Jun 17 with 1122 views | builthjack |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 11:13 - Jun 17 by max936 |
That is indisputable and a matter of record.
No one is arguing that those three weren't backed, but come the January window all three felt that they needed to add one or two pieces to the squad, after assessing the squad they had since the summer before.
Funnily enough that's why there is a January Transfer window.
Its funny on how managers are always to blame and these owners get off scot free with some supporters. |
Quite right Max |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Same old, same old with these owners on 12:15 - Jun 17 with 1068 views | max936 |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 11:35 - Jun 17 by builthjack |
Quite right Max |
Again you mean!  | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 13:39 - Jun 17 with 1000 views | swan_si |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 23:36 - Jun 16 by max936 |
Not really, look back at previous dealings' over their tenure and that speaks volumes, I'm sick to my back teeth of reading posts sticking up for these owners, they have little interest in the club actually moving forward, they're keeping the club financially healthy which is fine, but we keep getting sound bites about them saying that they have ambition to get us back to the premiership, its just soundbites, they aren't interested.
Why do you think Potter, Cooper and now Martin have left, people need to open their eyes.
I'm happy being a midtable Championship club, its about our dap, lets not pretend otherwise. |
So you are sick to your back teeth of people having a different opinion to yours, on a football forum, where opinions count 🤔, surely that's what a forum is all about.
Do you really think the owners don't want to see us back in the EPL? |  | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 14:08 - Jun 17 with 954 views | Whiterockin |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 13:39 - Jun 17 by swan_si |
So you are sick to your back teeth of people having a different opinion to yours, on a football forum, where opinions count 🤔, surely that's what a forum is all about.
Do you really think the owners don't want to see us back in the EPL? |
If they do, they are not doing a good job so far. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 15:28 - Jun 17 with 896 views | swan_si |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 14:08 - Jun 17 by Whiterockin |
If they do, they are not doing a good job so far. |
I'll grant you that, but I'm sure the aim is to get back to the EPL, I'd prefer to be financially sound and take baby steps, rather than putting all our eggs in one basket and put the club in financial difficulty. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 15:43 - Jun 17 with 870 views | Whiterockin |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 15:28 - Jun 17 by swan_si |
I'll grant you that, but I'm sure the aim is to get back to the EPL, I'd prefer to be financially sound and take baby steps, rather than putting all our eggs in one basket and put the club in financial difficulty. |
So what baby steps have we made the last 2 years. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:03 - Jun 17 with 799 views | swan_si |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 15:43 - Jun 17 by Whiterockin |
So what baby steps have we made the last 2 years. |
"Softly, softly, catchee monkey", this old Engllish proverb means that if do not rush or if you avoid being too hasty, then eventually you will achieve your goal - in other words, be patient. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:08 - Jun 17 with 783 views | max936 |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 13:39 - Jun 17 by swan_si |
So you are sick to your back teeth of people having a different opinion to yours, on a football forum, where opinions count 🤔, surely that's what a forum is all about.
Do you really think the owners don't want to see us back in the EPL? |
Yeah, that'll be it, Yanks are great best thing since sliced bread, its all been the last 3 managers that's at fault.
You need to ask yourself that same question! cause from what I've read from you is that these owners can't do any wrong, yes they've run us sustainably and they deserve the praise for doing so.
But I don't think they've cared one way or another as to whether we go up or not, in all honesty, things might change with the new investors coming in, only time will tell.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, a middle table championship club is who we are, geographically and financially, with the odd flirtation with the playoffs, that's in my opinion for clarity. [Post edited 17 Jun 2023 17:09]
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| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:16 - Jun 17 with 779 views | Whiterockin |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:03 - Jun 17 by swan_si |
"Softly, softly, catchee monkey", this old Engllish proverb means that if do not rush or if you avoid being too hasty, then eventually you will achieve your goal - in other words, be patient. |
I'm in no rush, I waited a long time to watch us in the first division then another 30 to see us in the Premier League. Wiĺl the current owners show that patience after all I've seen a shed full of owners as well. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:36 - Jun 17 with 749 views | swan_si |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:16 - Jun 17 by Whiterockin |
I'm in no rush, I waited a long time to watch us in the first division then another 30 to see us in the Premier League. Wiĺl the current owners show that patience after all I've seen a shed full of owners as well. |
I think the current owners will want us back in the top flight ASAP, but they'll do it prudently no doubt, they supposedly spent £100m in the take over. When Morris invested £10m last week I'm sure I read it was for 20% of the shares, that would make the club valued at £50m, so our American friends need for us to get back up in order to get their money back. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:44 - Jun 17 with 735 views | pencoedjack |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 11:13 - Jun 17 by max936 |
That is indisputable and a matter of record.
No one is arguing that those three weren't backed, but come the January window all three felt that they needed to add one or two pieces to the squad, after assessing the squad they had since the summer before.
Funnily enough that's why there is a January Transfer window.
Its funny on how managers are always to blame and these owners get off scot free with some supporters. |
I would have sacked Martin in January not given him more money.
The last 10 games of the season proved that moving away from his philosophy on football to using a very good squad to their strengths would have resulted in at least the play offs.
He’s a fraud can’t wait till we are rid of him. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:46 - Jun 17 with 733 views | swan_si |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:08 - Jun 17 by max936 |
Yeah, that'll be it, Yanks are great best thing since sliced bread, its all been the last 3 managers that's at fault.
You need to ask yourself that same question! cause from what I've read from you is that these owners can't do any wrong, yes they've run us sustainably and they deserve the praise for doing so.
But I don't think they've cared one way or another as to whether we go up or not, in all honesty, things might change with the new investors coming in, only time will tell.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, a middle table championship club is who we are, geographically and financially, with the odd flirtation with the playoffs, that's in my opinion for clarity. [Post edited 17 Jun 2023 17:09]
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where have I stated " it's all been the last 3 managers that's at fault"? Or even indicated it.
Again, where have I stated " the owners can do no wrong " .
You're sounding rather mad max. ( sorry, couldn't resist) 😉
The EPL would be nice, but sustainability in the championship is fine by me. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 18:01 - Jun 17 with 709 views | Whiterockin |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:36 - Jun 17 by swan_si |
I think the current owners will want us back in the top flight ASAP, but they'll do it prudently no doubt, they supposedly spent £100m in the take over. When Morris invested £10m last week I'm sure I read it was for 20% of the shares, that would make the club valued at £50m, so our American friends need for us to get back up in order to get their money back. |
When they bought into the club their stake was about £60M for 60%. That was the consortium of 32 investment. They have since invested more from convertible loans. Their shareholding has since been diluted and is probably currently worth at best £30M probably less. This will be diluted again if more investment is forthcoming, due to dilution. Every year we stay in the Championship we lose between £10-15M. There is no time for baby steps or they will never get their money back even if promoted.
Personally I'm enjoying the championship and have more patience than the owners. | | | |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 18:06 - Jun 17 with 688 views | max936 |
| Same old, same old with these owners on 17:44 - Jun 17 by pencoedjack |
I would have sacked Martin in January not given him more money.
The last 10 games of the season proved that moving away from his philosophy on football to using a very good squad to their strengths would have resulted in at least the play offs.
He’s a fraud can’t wait till we are rid of him. |
Not gonna disagree with that, 23 games without a win wasn't it, Dear Me. | | | |
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