| Palestine invading Israel 11:22 - Oct 7 with 11738 views | raynor94 |
It's kicking off big time, expect an overwhelming response from Israel |  |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 13:19 - Oct 10 with 918 views | onehunglow |
| Palestine invading Israel on 06:47 - Oct 10 by felixstowe_jack |
YouGov polls are not conducted with any representative samples.
Their questions are often loaded .
I am sure 99% of the British People do not support the murder of civilians by Hamas.
As you are so fond of quoting YouGov polls in their latest poll today only 13% Voted in support of the actions by the Palestinians though if the question had been "support he actions of Hamas" I suspect it would be a lot lower.
Hamas does not care about the Palestinians either they are more than happy to sacrifice Palestinian lives in their hatred of Israel. [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 6:56]
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Not quite 99 %
There are many who support any action to “ free” Palestine ,including tramline. Otherwise, they d be giving support to nasty Israel.
Many in the Labour Party support Hamas but haven’t the guts to admit it ,not unlike the Irish who didn’t “ support” IRA |  |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 13:41 - Oct 10 with 889 views | trampie |
| Palestine invading Israel on 11:53 - Oct 10 by Gwyn737 |
I haven't really said much and will continue to say little on this thread as the situation is so complex; it's not just picking a side.
All I will add is it's entirely reasonable IMO to be opposed to the Israli govenment's treatment of Palastinians whilst critising Hamas and hoping for the protection of Jews across the world. |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 14:05 - Oct 10 with 874 views | Scotia |
| Palestine invading Israel on 13:00 - Oct 10 by trampie |
But that is antisemitic Gwyn you are being antisemitic, I'm not having a laugh, or pulling your leg, or having a go at you, what you have just said is antisemitic, do you think you are racist ?, do you think you are antisemitic ?, you are doing what Corbyn did and he is labelled as antisemitic, any criticism of the Israeli government or policy is antisemitic.
I genuinely would love to know your answer, Do you think you are being antisemitic ? |
No it's not.
I share the same views as Gwyn.
Antisemitism is discrimation towards ethnic or religious Jews, not Israel. Corbyn is / was antisemitic. I've C&P'd this but it's some examples:-
"The litany of alarming incidents is well rehearsed: Corbyn’s support for an artist who drew a mural depicting hook-nosed bankers getting rich on the backs of the poor. (He said he had not looked properly at the mural.) His assertion in 2013 that British Zionists “don’t understand English irony.” (He said he would now be more careful about using the word Zionist, because it had been “hijacked by antisemites as code for Jews.”) Labour’s refusal to adopt in full an internationally recognized description of anti-Semitism. Each of these individual incidents was made more toxic by the party’s slow handling of complaints filed by Jewish members. During the campaign, Corbyn refused four times to apologize for the distress caused to the Jewish community when questioned on camera by the BBC’s Andrew Neil—a particularly odd decision, because he has done so previously. The party is currently being investigated over allegations of institutional anti-Semitism by Britain’s Equality and Human Rights Commission." [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 14:11]
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| Palestine invading Israel on 14:09 - Oct 10 with 862 views | trampie |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:05 - Oct 10 by Scotia |
No it's not.
I share the same views as Gwyn.
Antisemitism is discrimation towards ethnic or religious Jews, not Israel. Corbyn is / was antisemitic. I've C&P'd this but it's some examples:-
"The litany of alarming incidents is well rehearsed: Corbyn’s support for an artist who drew a mural depicting hook-nosed bankers getting rich on the backs of the poor. (He said he had not looked properly at the mural.) His assertion in 2013 that British Zionists “don’t understand English irony.” (He said he would now be more careful about using the word Zionist, because it had been “hijacked by antisemites as code for Jews.”) Labour’s refusal to adopt in full an internationally recognized description of anti-Semitism. Each of these individual incidents was made more toxic by the party’s slow handling of complaints filed by Jewish members. During the campaign, Corbyn refused four times to apologize for the distress caused to the Jewish community when questioned on camera by the BBC’s Andrew Neil—a particularly odd decision, because he has done so previously. The party is currently being investigated over allegations of institutional anti-Semitism by Britain’s Equality and Human Rights Commission." [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 14:11]
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I agree but the authorities and lots of right wing Jews think it's antisemitic, they had Corbyn for it. | |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 14:09 - Oct 10 with 860 views | trampie |
The above article says scholars around the World don't agree with this particular definition of antisemitism because any criticism of Israel can be construed as antisemitic, lots of institutions have accepted it, one of the guys that created it and said it has been weaponised by right wing Jews.
I first read about it with universities being encouraged to adopt it in the States and here but some professors and students were up in arms because it prevented free speech, if you criticised Israel treatment of Palestinians you could be sacked or chucked out of uni, Corbyn didn't want it for Labour and he was deemed as antisemitic.
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| Palestine invading Israel on 14:14 - Oct 10 with 852 views | onehunglow |
How lucky are we to live in a land, a free safe land like ours . | |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 14:15 - Oct 10 with 852 views | Scotia |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:09 - Oct 10 by trampie |
I agree but the authorities and lots of right wing Jews think it's antisemitic, they had Corbyn for it. |
They had Corbyn for being antisemitic, becasue he was or is.
Largely driven by his dislike of capitalism, but he's antisemitic none the less. | | | |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:19 - Oct 10 with 842 views | trampie |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:15 - Oct 10 by Scotia |
They had Corbyn for being antisemitic, becasue he was or is.
Largely driven by his dislike of capitalism, but he's antisemitic none the less. |
Can you give any examples of Corbyn being antisemitic ? | |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 14:32 - Oct 10 with 829 views | Scotia |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:19 - Oct 10 by trampie |
Can you give any examples of Corbyn being antisemitic ? |
Mentioned them earlier. But take this mural for example:-
It was (quite rightly) painted over because it depicts jews, with piles of money playing monoploly with real world land marks. It claims they are the "new world order" and "the enemy of humanity". Apparently it is similar to WW2 Nazi propaganda.
Corbyn wrote to the artist saying how much he liked the painting and wished it hadn't been painted over.
It's left wing antisemitism and you'll see similar from the right, extermists aren't that different when it comes down to it. My enemies enemy is my friend. Unless they're a Jew. | | | |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:42 - Oct 10 with 815 views | trampie |
You thought what Gwyn said (and I agree) was not antisemitic, yet you think if Corbyn says it it is ? | |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 14:44 - Oct 10 with 818 views | Scotia |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:42 - Oct 10 by trampie |
You thought what Gwyn said (and I agree) was not antisemitic, yet you think if Corbyn says it it is ? |
You've lost me now. They're compeltely different. | | | |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:53 - Oct 10 with 802 views | trampie |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:44 - Oct 10 by Scotia |
You've lost me now. They're compeltely different. |
You said "Labour’s refusal to adopt in full an internationally recognized description of anti-Semitism", as an example of Corbyn being antisemitic.
You are ok with criticism of Israel as being not antisemitic (I agree) but use exactly the same thing as an example to label Corbyn. | |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 14:54 - Oct 10 with 804 views | Togg |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:14 - Oct 10 by onehunglow |
How lucky are we to live in a land, a free safe land like ours . |
Absolutely and let's be honest if some of the posters on here lived in a less so called liberal nation and had opposing views to their government/way of life. Well put it this way their incarceration or dissapearence into thin air would be of little surprise. However if I or any other wish to support or criticise we can do so with immunity. It's called democracy. Not a perfect system but the best we have.
I'm in the Murcia region of Spain at the moment. Close to San Javier military airport where it's allegedly rumoured they are training Ukrainian pilots. I thank everything when those planes rore past me they are not going to drop a bomb [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 14:59]
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| Palestine invading Israel on 15:02 - Oct 10 with 789 views | pencoedjack |
| Palestine invading Israel on 09:31 - Oct 10 by controversial_jack |
You are not decent as you support a brutal fascist regime that has been oppressing others for decades |
Without a doubt I am a far more decent human being than you & English/British hating pal.
As I said you both make me want to spew. |  | | |
| Palestine invading Israel on 15:35 - Oct 10 with 780 views | Scotia |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:53 - Oct 10 by trampie |
You said "Labour’s refusal to adopt in full an internationally recognized description of anti-Semitism", as an example of Corbyn being antisemitic.
You are ok with criticism of Israel as being not antisemitic (I agree) but use exactly the same thing as an example to label Corbyn. |
But Corbyn was leader of the Labour party at the time. | | | |
| Palestine invading Israel on 16:19 - Oct 10 with 730 views | trampie |
| Palestine invading Israel on 15:35 - Oct 10 by Scotia |
But Corbyn was leader of the Labour party at the time. |
Yes he was and he was correct Labour should not have signed up to the IHRA.
Amnesty and Human Rights Watch thinks it prevents free speech, if you criticise Israel you are antisemitic.
Labour should not have signed up to it, now Labour Jewish people are getting banned from Labour, they are basically the only people getting banned for antisemitism, they write something or say something critical of Israel and straight away under the code they are antisemitic they are left wing Jews, right wing Jews in Labour (so called NuLabour) are in the driving seat pushing this any criticism of Israel is antisemitic, it stops people talking about the treatment and plight of the Palestinians, it's a game. [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 16:22]
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| Palestine invading Israel on 16:38 - Oct 10 with 710 views | trampie |
| Palestine invading Israel on 14:54 - Oct 10 by Togg |
Absolutely and let's be honest if some of the posters on here lived in a less so called liberal nation and had opposing views to their government/way of life. Well put it this way their incarceration or dissapearence into thin air would be of little surprise. However if I or any other wish to support or criticise we can do so with immunity. It's called democracy. Not a perfect system but the best we have.
I'm in the Murcia region of Spain at the moment. Close to San Javier military airport where it's allegedly rumoured they are training Ukrainian pilots. I thank everything when those planes rore past me they are not going to drop a bomb [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 14:59]
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In fairness I suppose Willie McRae, Dr David Kelly and Pat Finucane didn't disappear into thin air.
If you criticise Israel in this country then you could be kicked out of an organisation or lose your job, free speech hey.
So much for democracy. | |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 16:47 - Oct 10 with 703 views | Scotia |
| Palestine invading Israel on 16:19 - Oct 10 by trampie |
Yes he was and he was correct Labour should not have signed up to the IHRA.
Amnesty and Human Rights Watch thinks it prevents free speech, if you criticise Israel you are antisemitic.
Labour should not have signed up to it, now Labour Jewish people are getting banned from Labour, they are basically the only people getting banned for antisemitism, they write something or say something critical of Israel and straight away under the code they are antisemitic they are left wing Jews, right wing Jews in Labour (so called NuLabour) are in the driving seat pushing this any criticism of Israel is antisemitic, it stops people talking about the treatment and plight of the Palestinians, it's a game. [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 16:22]
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Read the actual Labour party code of conduct, points 13 and 14 actually state that criticism of the state of Israel isn't antisemitic.
So, how about his other antisemitic acts? | | | |
| Palestine invading Israel on 17:05 - Oct 10 with 677 views | trampie |
| Palestine invading Israel on 16:47 - Oct 10 by Scotia |
Read the actual Labour party code of conduct, points 13 and 14 actually state that criticism of the state of Israel isn't antisemitic.
So, how about his other antisemitic acts? |
Good job by Corbyn then to get that on the statute, they are not antisemitic acts, discrimination for example, last night I seen a list as long as your arm detailing all the good things Corbyn did for and said for the Jewish community over many decades, Swansea was actually mentioned on the list of his good Jewish deads believe it or not.
This is the one I remember though :-
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| Palestine invading Israel on 17:09 - Oct 10 with 670 views | trampie |
Wrong thread, I need the General Election thread. [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 17:11]
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| Palestine invading Israel on 17:37 - Oct 10 with 654 views | guthrieintherain |
| Palestine invading Israel on 19:21 - Oct 9 by pencoedjack |
Anyone who supports a regime involved in the taking of grandparents & young children is a sick individual in my eyes. |
The ciivilians of Gaza didn,'t take anyone.
Anyone who supports Hamas or a right wing goverment that is bombing a civilian population with 2 million people living under incredible hardship is a sick individual. | |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 17:48 - Oct 10 with 632 views | onehunglow |
| Palestine invading Israel on 15:35 - Oct 10 by Scotia |
But Corbyn was leader of the Labour party at the time. |
Having been elected by Labour Party members who represent Labour voters,ergo,Labour voters saw filth like Corbyn lead their party into the cesspit. And he is not alone .
Anti semitism is the last great bastion of discrimination.
Israel is a land held by God for Jews ( his people)
When are people going to u derstand you cannot divorce Jewry and Israel.
That said,it’s easier for an Arab to live in Israel than a Jew to live in Arab country | |
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| Palestine invading Israel on 17:49 - Oct 10 with 632 views | controversial_jack |
| Palestine invading Israel on 15:02 - Oct 10 by pencoedjack |
Without a doubt I am a far more decent human being than you & English/British hating pal.
As I said you both make me want to spew. |
Self praise is no recommendation.pal.
Israel's defence minister described Palestinians as "human animals" and vowed to "act accordingly," as fighter jets unleashed a massive bombing campaign on the Gaza Strip.
That is the exact language used by Dr Goebbels and co 80 years ago. If anyone is in doubt after that then they need a serious looking at. [Post edited 10 Oct 2023 17:54]
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| Palestine invading Israel on 17:53 - Oct 10 with 623 views | theloneranger |
This is not War - it's fvcking Genocide!!
"They arrived expecting the worst, but the scenes are beyond anything that one could imagine. Some soldiers say they found babies with their heads cut off, entire families gunned down in their beds. About 40 babies and young children have been taken out on gurneys — so far,"
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| Palestine invading Israel on 18:02 - Oct 10 with 614 views | pencoedjack |
| Palestine invading Israel on 17:53 - Oct 10 by theloneranger |
This is not War - it's fvcking Genocide!!
"They arrived expecting the worst, but the scenes are beyond anything that one could imagine. Some soldiers say they found babies with their heads cut off, entire families gunned down in their beds. About 40 babies and young children have been taken out on gurneys — so far,"
https://www.foxnews.com/world/ |
& you have people on here defending them.
Sickening. | | | |
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