| Migration, growth and housing on 10:21 - May 8 with 1194 views | onehunglow |
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Great sourcing John |  |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 10:51 - May 8 with 1156 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Regardless of the source, the facts are clear. |  |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 10:56 - May 8 with 1154 views | Flashberryjack |
Anyone with more than an ounce of sense could see what mass immigration can and will do to a country, some choose to close their eyes and take the moral ground, whilst screaming racist at anyone who said anything against their mantra.
It's been said many times, but I'll say it again "this country is f****d" |  |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 17:26 - May 8 with 1067 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Migration, growth and housing on 10:56 - May 8 by Flashberryjack |
Anyone with more than an ounce of sense could see what mass immigration can and will do to a country, some choose to close their eyes and take the moral ground, whilst screaming racist at anyone who said anything against their mantra.
It's been said many times, but I'll say it again "this country is f****d" |
Thng is, being against uncontrolled immigartion is only racist if you scream against people of a different colour or ethnicity.
Seeing as we get a lot of white undesirables coming here too then maybe think again.
truthfully, we need a certain level of immigration but we can't keep letting crooks, criminals and benefits chasing wasters in here.
Genuine refugees and immigrants we need, yes. The undesirables, no. | | | |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:37 - May 8 with 1040 views | onehunglow |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:26 - May 8 by SullutaCreturned |
Thng is, being against uncontrolled immigartion is only racist if you scream against people of a different colour or ethnicity.
Seeing as we get a lot of white undesirables coming here too then maybe think again.
truthfully, we need a certain level of immigration but we can't keep letting crooks, criminals and benefits chasing wasters in here.
Genuine refugees and immigrants we need, yes. The undesirables, no. |
Genuine refugees ,like those from Hungary in 56 ,Rhodesia and Uganda under Ami ,absolutely proud we took them in.
We do not need trash ,as we have enough of our own | |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 17:45 - May 8 with 1035 views | controversial_jack |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:26 - May 8 by SullutaCreturned |
Thng is, being against uncontrolled immigartion is only racist if you scream against people of a different colour or ethnicity.
Seeing as we get a lot of white undesirables coming here too then maybe think again.
truthfully, we need a certain level of immigration but we can't keep letting crooks, criminals and benefits chasing wasters in here.
Genuine refugees and immigrants we need, yes. The undesirables, no. |
We have had loads of white Ukrainians coming here when there has been no conflict in the majority of the country only in the eastern provinces.They are not desperate refugees, most are economic migrants, yet nothing said about these | | | |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:52 - May 8 with 1038 views | Flashberryjack |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:26 - May 8 by SullutaCreturned |
Thng is, being against uncontrolled immigartion is only racist if you scream against people of a different colour or ethnicity.
Seeing as we get a lot of white undesirables coming here too then maybe think again.
truthfully, we need a certain level of immigration but we can't keep letting crooks, criminals and benefits chasing wasters in here.
Genuine refugees and immigrants we need, yes. The undesirables, no. |
"Genuine refugees and immigrants we need, yes. The undesirables, no."
And there lays the problem, deporting undesirable refugees isn't easy, with appeal after appeal in our courts, then appeals to the ECHR, it must cost an absolute fortune in legal costs, and then most of them are allowed to stay even after all that.
I'd also like to see the human rights lawyers pay all court costs if their claim is found to be frivolous. And any refugee (legal or otherwise) that is convicted of a serious crime within a certain time scale, be deported (with no appeal) immediately after being found guilty.
Sadly, this is very unlikely to happen under the spineless conservative government we now have, and there is absolutely no chance of it happening when labour take over. | |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 18:33 - May 8 with 1013 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:52 - May 8 by Flashberryjack |
"Genuine refugees and immigrants we need, yes. The undesirables, no."
And there lays the problem, deporting undesirable refugees isn't easy, with appeal after appeal in our courts, then appeals to the ECHR, it must cost an absolute fortune in legal costs, and then most of them are allowed to stay even after all that.
I'd also like to see the human rights lawyers pay all court costs if their claim is found to be frivolous. And any refugee (legal or otherwise) that is convicted of a serious crime within a certain time scale, be deported (with no appeal) immediately after being found guilty.
Sadly, this is very unlikely to happen under the spineless conservative government we now have, and there is absolutely no chance of it happening when labour take over. |
I believe, though may be proved wrong, that Australia (maybe New Zealand) give you 2 hances but get a third strike and they send you back where you came from.
An old colleague had a mate who moved out there, got caught speeding twice then drink driving and was sent back to Blighty. | | | |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 12:32 - May 9 with 899 views | Boundy |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:45 - May 8 by controversial_jack |
We have had loads of white Ukrainians coming here when there has been no conflict in the majority of the country only in the eastern provinces.They are not desperate refugees, most are economic migrants, yet nothing said about these |
We leave your last 5 words to remind us. | |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 07:11 - May 10 with 790 views | jackrmee |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:26 - May 8 by SullutaCreturned |
Thng is, being against uncontrolled immigartion is only racist if you scream against people of a different colour or ethnicity.
Seeing as we get a lot of white undesirables coming here too then maybe think again.
truthfully, we need a certain level of immigration but we can't keep letting crooks, criminals and benefits chasing wasters in here.
Genuine refugees and immigrants we need, yes. The undesirables, no. |
So are people protesting against the white ones as well?
From where I look, people weren’t bothered about white refugees from Ukraine, and were even having them stay in their family homes with them.
It’s the brown and black ones people are against |  |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 07:33 - May 10 with 784 views | pencoedjack |
| Migration, growth and housing on 07:11 - May 10 by jackrmee |
So are people protesting against the white ones as well?
From where I look, people weren’t bothered about white refugees from Ukraine, and were even having them stay in their family homes with them.
It’s the brown and black ones people are against |
Obviously you read his post differently to me. |  | | |
| Migration, growth and housing on 07:44 - May 10 with 780 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Migration, growth and housing on 07:11 - May 10 by jackrmee |
So are people protesting against the white ones as well?
From where I look, people weren’t bothered about white refugees from Ukraine, and were even having them stay in their family homes with them.
It’s the brown and black ones people are against |
Not me mate, it's the criminals and undesirables I don't want here. I don't care where they come from.
Ukraine is actually a great example, when Russia invaded and started bombing and shelling indiscriminately people needed somewhere safe to go. Those coming here don't want to be here permanently, they want to go home when the war is over, whenever that is, they are genuine refugees and maybe that's why there are very few protests about them.
Then you have this,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-
Surely you can see the difference? | | | |
| Migration, growth and housing on 11:47 - May 10 with 741 views | pencoedjack |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:52 - May 8 by Flashberryjack |
"Genuine refugees and immigrants we need, yes. The undesirables, no."
And there lays the problem, deporting undesirable refugees isn't easy, with appeal after appeal in our courts, then appeals to the ECHR, it must cost an absolute fortune in legal costs, and then most of them are allowed to stay even after all that.
I'd also like to see the human rights lawyers pay all court costs if their claim is found to be frivolous. And any refugee (legal or otherwise) that is convicted of a serious crime within a certain time scale, be deported (with no appeal) immediately after being found guilty.
Sadly, this is very unlikely to happen under the spineless conservative government we now have, and there is absolutely no chance of it happening when labour take over. |
If Labour believes that somebody won't step into the place of the person who arranges these crossings they are deluded.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68984778
When a drug dealer goes to jail it doesn't stop drugs being sold.
As you said earlier the country is f****d. | | | |
| Migration, growth and housing on 16:16 - May 10 with 682 views | KeithHaynes |
| Migration, growth and housing on 11:47 - May 10 by pencoedjack |
If Labour believes that somebody won't step into the place of the person who arranges these crossings they are deluded.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68984778
When a drug dealer goes to jail it doesn't stop drugs being sold.
As you said earlier the country is f****d. |
They can’t turn the boats back, so some specialist investigators will sort it out, Starmer is an idiot 😂 |  |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 16:32 - May 10 with 671 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Migration, growth and housing on 11:47 - May 10 by pencoedjack |
If Labour believes that somebody won't step into the place of the person who arranges these crossings they are deluded.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68984778
When a drug dealer goes to jail it doesn't stop drugs being sold.
As you said earlier the country is f****d. |
Yeah, the next strongest in their food chain just takes over. The only way to stop these crossings is to do the unthinkable, break international laws and sink them as soon as they enter our territorial waters.
Who would ever agree to that eh, state sponsored murder? Although there are a few countries that tolerate it, Russia, Iran and apparently the Saudi's too,
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/saudi-arabia-the-line-neom-kill-people-dev
and we do business with these people so maybe state sponsored muder is acceptable to us? | | | |
| Migration, growth and housing on 13:08 - May 16 with 509 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Migration, growth and housing on 17:45 - May 8 by controversial_jack |
We have had loads of white Ukrainians coming here when there has been no conflict in the majority of the country only in the eastern provinces.They are not desperate refugees, most are economic migrants, yet nothing said about these |
They are not economics migrants they are fleeing from Russias committing war crimes . The Russians have target civilians since the start of their illegal invasions. Many examples of executing civilians, captured soldiers, missile and bombing attacks on schools , hospitals, civilians housing.
10,500 Ukrainian civilians killed including 500 children.
Your claim there is not conflict in most of Ukrainian is sheer nonsense. | |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 22:52 - May 17 with 415 views | jackrmee |
| Migration, growth and housing on 07:44 - May 10 by SullutaCreturned |
Not me mate, it's the criminals and undesirables I don't want here. I don't care where they come from.
Ukraine is actually a great example, when Russia invaded and started bombing and shelling indiscriminately people needed somewhere safe to go. Those coming here don't want to be here permanently, they want to go home when the war is over, whenever that is, they are genuine refugees and maybe that's why there are very few protests about them.
Then you have this,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-
Surely you can see the difference? |
Yeah I can see the difference.
But surely the ones who are in these gangs and making thousands from cannabis factories, don’t take the time to do asylum claims.
What’s the point? They don’t want a job or benefits.
Surely this is a totally different problem to the asylum seeking and other immigration?
Ps. I found this interesting whilst reading about the subject
https://miclu.org/blog/fact-check-albanian-boat-arrivals | |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 22:54 - May 17 with 415 views | jackrmee |
| Migration, growth and housing on 16:32 - May 10 by SullutaCreturned |
Yeah, the next strongest in their food chain just takes over. The only way to stop these crossings is to do the unthinkable, break international laws and sink them as soon as they enter our territorial waters.
Who would ever agree to that eh, state sponsored murder? Although there are a few countries that tolerate it, Russia, Iran and apparently the Saudi's too,
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/saudi-arabia-the-line-neom-kill-people-dev
and we do business with these people so maybe state sponsored muder is acceptable to us? |
USA *wink | |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 16:07 - May 18 with 340 views | SullutaCreturned |
It's the Wombe crossing...underground, overground. The drug cartels have miles of tunnel networks under that border but so many people cross there isn't room.
Those drug cartels must have learned from (or taught, I suppose) hamas. | | | |
| Migration, growth and housing on 16:10 - May 18 with 338 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Migration, growth and housing on 16:32 - May 10 by SullutaCreturned |
Yeah, the next strongest in their food chain just takes over. The only way to stop these crossings is to do the unthinkable, break international laws and sink them as soon as they enter our territorial waters.
Who would ever agree to that eh, state sponsored murder? Although there are a few countries that tolerate it, Russia, Iran and apparently the Saudi's too,
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/saudi-arabia-the-line-neom-kill-people-dev
and we do business with these people so maybe state sponsored muder is acceptable to us? |
Sinking them is definitely a bit extreme but surely there’s nothing wrong with picking them up and take them back to France, it’s a safe country after all. The EU will look after them well, |  |
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| Migration, growth and housing on 16:28 - May 18 with 318 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Migration, growth and housing on 16:10 - May 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Sinking them is definitely a bit extreme but surely there’s nothing wrong with picking them up and take them back to France, it’s a safe country after all. The EU will look after them well, |
Well it's a lot extreme and I was also only being sarcastic. Enough people have died making that crossing.
We can't rely on French help no matter hwo much we pay them.
What exactly is the answer? | | | |
| Migration, growth and housing on 20:48 - May 18 with 294 views | AnotherJohn |
| Migration, growth and housing on 16:28 - May 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Well it's a lot extreme and I was also only being sarcastic. Enough people have died making that crossing.
We can't rely on French help no matter hwo much we pay them.
What exactly is the answer? |
It seems very difficult to find an answer because the Western nations have got themselves in a tangle which is almost impossible to unpick. Basically, the present rate of immigration into developed countries is unsustainable, and eventually the framework of international law will have to change because the pressure will become too much. That is still some way in the future because of internal division and blind commitment to an expanded discourse of human rights, and the damage done by then will probably be irreversible. [Post edited 18 May 20:50]
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| Migration, growth and housing on 13:08 - May 19 with 240 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Migration, growth and housing on 22:52 - May 17 by jackrmee |
Yeah I can see the difference.
But surely the ones who are in these gangs and making thousands from cannabis factories, don’t take the time to do asylum claims.
What’s the point? They don’t want a job or benefits.
Surely this is a totally different problem to the asylum seeking and other immigration?
Ps. I found this interesting whilst reading about the subject
https://miclu.org/blog/fact-check-albanian-boat-arrivals |
They have to make asylum claims or apply for citizenship to stay here. There are a lot of people who are here illegally who were "trafficked" for use as protitutes and drug runners/dealers/mules. They still need to be allowed to stay here though. There's too much mooney at stake for these crime gangs to be caught out, they are clever and very well organised.
I was told by a police officer that an albanian business was being watched as a suspected front for drugs and money laundering. They couldn oen that business if they weren't allowed to be here. | | | |
| Migration, growth and housing on 16:43 - May 19 with 219 views | controversial_jack |
| Migration, growth and housing on 16:28 - May 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Well it's a lot extreme and I was also only being sarcastic. Enough people have died making that crossing.
We can't rely on French help no matter hwo much we pay them.
What exactly is the answer? |
We haven't paid them, unless we have since the last time i looked | | | |
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