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 Swansea City v Wrexham and the FA Premier Cup 17th Dec 2025 11:04The focus this week is the derby game that isn’t one really, the game between two Welsh sides so far apart it should never be classed as one. Both sides have been scratching around the mid to lower half of the Championship all season and nothing it seems will change on current form.  0
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 08:24 - Dec 16 with 2365 views | streetlyjack |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 20:13 - Dec 15 by swansjack84 |
I understand why Burgess is in the team as he comes with experience. But for a while his passing has been questionable. Would we risk taking him out in replacement for loan that could go back in Jan? Then be left with a player in Burgess who's confidence could be knocked more and be worse for us? Either way it's sending a message to Burgess he is not good enough. [Post edited 15 Dec 2025 20:14]
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I wouldn't worry about damaging his confidence, a good manager keeps all his players on their toes to create solid competition for places. As things stand we have too many sub standard performers who retain their places week after week despite their poor performances??
If they have the right character they will respond positively, if they are a snowflake then they will move on - both positive outcomes for SCFC in my mind.
No one with the exception of Galbraith can really claim they are untouchable in this squad. So far only Key has got the axe, there are a few fortunate players who really need a shake or a rest to get the team firing again.
There is no compelling evidence after 21 league games to suggest carrying on with the current set of players will result in better results. If we don't give the loan players a chance soon then they will return to their clubs in January, I hope we have alternatives lined up should this likely scenario happen. | |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 09:09 - Dec 16 with 2265 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 08:24 - Dec 16 by streetlyjack |
I wouldn't worry about damaging his confidence, a good manager keeps all his players on their toes to create solid competition for places. As things stand we have too many sub standard performers who retain their places week after week despite their poor performances??
If they have the right character they will respond positively, if they are a snowflake then they will move on - both positive outcomes for SCFC in my mind.
No one with the exception of Galbraith can really claim they are untouchable in this squad. So far only Key has got the axe, there are a few fortunate players who really need a shake or a rest to get the team firing again.
There is no compelling evidence after 21 league games to suggest carrying on with the current set of players will result in better results. If we don't give the loan players a chance soon then they will return to their clubs in January, I hope we have alternatives lined up should this likely scenario happen. |
Not over the past 21 games, but over the past 3 I think there is. Matos is starting to put his stamp on the team and its resulted in improved performances.
I don’t disagree about competition though.
I think Widdell is now at the point where he’s no longer being ‘eased in’ and will become a fairly regular starter.
The comments around Yalcouye and then giving him a decent cameo, suggest Matos sees a player he can use and is trying to coax a bit more out of him.
Casey can’t be far off a start. Inoussa could potentially get a bit more game time.
Maybe only Galbraith is set in stone, but I’d say Tymon, Cabango, Stamenic, Franco Eom and Vipotnik are fairly safe. They won’t all start every game, but they’ll play a lot more than they don’t. | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 09:31 - Dec 16 with 2218 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 08:24 - Dec 16 by streetlyjack |
I wouldn't worry about damaging his confidence, a good manager keeps all his players on their toes to create solid competition for places. As things stand we have too many sub standard performers who retain their places week after week despite their poor performances??
If they have the right character they will respond positively, if they are a snowflake then they will move on - both positive outcomes for SCFC in my mind.
No one with the exception of Galbraith can really claim they are untouchable in this squad. So far only Key has got the axe, there are a few fortunate players who really need a shake or a rest to get the team firing again.
There is no compelling evidence after 21 league games to suggest carrying on with the current set of players will result in better results. If we don't give the loan players a chance soon then they will return to their clubs in January, I hope we have alternatives lined up should this likely scenario happen. |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 11:08 - Dec 16 with 2178 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 08:24 - Dec 16 by streetlyjack |
I wouldn't worry about damaging his confidence, a good manager keeps all his players on their toes to create solid competition for places. As things stand we have too many sub standard performers who retain their places week after week despite their poor performances??
If they have the right character they will respond positively, if they are a snowflake then they will move on - both positive outcomes for SCFC in my mind.
No one with the exception of Galbraith can really claim they are untouchable in this squad. So far only Key has got the axe, there are a few fortunate players who really need a shake or a rest to get the team firing again.
There is no compelling evidence after 21 league games to suggest carrying on with the current set of players will result in better results. If we don't give the loan players a chance soon then they will return to their clubs in January, I hope we have alternatives lined up should this likely scenario happen. |
I’m uncertain at this moment in time we are seeing a young man in the ‘right character’ to address this. |  |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 11:27 - Dec 16 with 2152 views | wwcigne |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 11:08 - Dec 16 by KeithHaynes |
I’m uncertain at this moment in time we are seeing a young man in the ‘right character’ to address this. |
Any more news on the coaching staff coming in ,Keith | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 11:44 - Dec 16 with 2134 views | RichardO |
For me the defensive/attacking element of the midfield is an issue, if that is solid the fullbacks can concentrate on their defebsive roles first and foremost. A lot of teams are pressing with 5 players capable of getting forward quickly which often leaves our back line outnumbered. Asking our fullbacks to push on so high mean we need to keep midfielders deeper so we end up with very little forward momentum through the middle which to me seems to be where we are caused the most problems sacking us in leaving space out wide.
We have seen what problems quick balls forward have on teams I tend to think for our goal kicks the first positions the centreback should try and adopt is further up the pitch if you want to play out from the back use the fullbacks who can drop quick after adopting the higher starting positions, ponderous centrehalves being asked to speed play up to get forward seems a bit of a dangerous game as we have seen. The game is about out thinking and out playing the opposition but we are not doing that, give teams different problems they have to deal with, get them having to change what they want to do against us because often teams know exactly what is required to stifle us.
Managers win one game and think that style of play is going to win us games but it is variety in what we do that causes problems, it seems trying to play by one set of rules has restricted us for too long.
Matos hasn't been here long but we all expect instant results. Time to play football correctly. | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 13:36 - Dec 16 with 2060 views | wwcigne |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 11:44 - Dec 16 by RichardO |
For me the defensive/attacking element of the midfield is an issue, if that is solid the fullbacks can concentrate on their defebsive roles first and foremost. A lot of teams are pressing with 5 players capable of getting forward quickly which often leaves our back line outnumbered. Asking our fullbacks to push on so high mean we need to keep midfielders deeper so we end up with very little forward momentum through the middle which to me seems to be where we are caused the most problems sacking us in leaving space out wide.
We have seen what problems quick balls forward have on teams I tend to think for our goal kicks the first positions the centreback should try and adopt is further up the pitch if you want to play out from the back use the fullbacks who can drop quick after adopting the higher starting positions, ponderous centrehalves being asked to speed play up to get forward seems a bit of a dangerous game as we have seen. The game is about out thinking and out playing the opposition but we are not doing that, give teams different problems they have to deal with, get them having to change what they want to do against us because often teams know exactly what is required to stifle us.
Managers win one game and think that style of play is going to win us games but it is variety in what we do that causes problems, it seems trying to play by one set of rules has restricted us for too long.
Matos hasn't been here long but we all expect instant results. Time to play football correctly. |
The faffing about at the back cost us under Williams and Sheehan,getting caught with the ball or making hurried rash passes ,ending up turning the ball over and us conceding , the best way to beat a press is to go over it either up the middle or out wide and take their players out of the game , Vitor looks to have stopped us messing around at the back as we’ve been playing a lot quicker lately with less passing sideways and looking more dangerous for it | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 13:41 - Dec 16 with 2028 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 13:36 - Dec 16 by wwcigne |
The faffing about at the back cost us under Williams and Sheehan,getting caught with the ball or making hurried rash passes ,ending up turning the ball over and us conceding , the best way to beat a press is to go over it either up the middle or out wide and take their players out of the game , Vitor looks to have stopped us messing around at the back as we’ve been playing a lot quicker lately with less passing sideways and looking more dangerous for it |
It gives us hope surely
Vitor will sort this out
Someone should have long ago | |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 15:59 - Dec 16 with 1955 views | howenjack |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 11:44 - Dec 16 by RichardO |
For me the defensive/attacking element of the midfield is an issue, if that is solid the fullbacks can concentrate on their defebsive roles first and foremost. A lot of teams are pressing with 5 players capable of getting forward quickly which often leaves our back line outnumbered. Asking our fullbacks to push on so high mean we need to keep midfielders deeper so we end up with very little forward momentum through the middle which to me seems to be where we are caused the most problems sacking us in leaving space out wide.
We have seen what problems quick balls forward have on teams I tend to think for our goal kicks the first positions the centreback should try and adopt is further up the pitch if you want to play out from the back use the fullbacks who can drop quick after adopting the higher starting positions, ponderous centrehalves being asked to speed play up to get forward seems a bit of a dangerous game as we have seen. The game is about out thinking and out playing the opposition but we are not doing that, give teams different problems they have to deal with, get them having to change what they want to do against us because often teams know exactly what is required to stifle us.
Managers win one game and think that style of play is going to win us games but it is variety in what we do that causes problems, it seems trying to play by one set of rules has restricted us for too long.
Matos hasn't been here long but we all expect instant results. Time to play football correctly. |
Great post , I was listening to John Eustace last night after Derby had demolished Wednesday 3-0 . He was downplaying the "euphoria" of the win stating that the championship is a unique league that provides unique challenges that have to be overcome in each and every game . It's about adapting to face every opponent and then concentrating on the next challenge around the corner. Very grounded guy who i think will have Derby in or around the play-offs at the end of the season. | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 17:47 - Dec 16 with 1854 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 15:59 - Dec 16 by howenjack |
Great post , I was listening to John Eustace last night after Derby had demolished Wednesday 3-0 . He was downplaying the "euphoria" of the win stating that the championship is a unique league that provides unique challenges that have to be overcome in each and every game . It's about adapting to face every opponent and then concentrating on the next challenge around the corner. Very grounded guy who i think will have Derby in or around the play-offs at the end of the season. |
Big club too
He’s done a great job there
I think Matos will for us
He needs the same backing Sheehan had | |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 18:32 - Dec 16 with 1828 views | GVJack |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 20:13 - Dec 15 by swansjack84 |
I understand why Burgess is in the team as he comes with experience. But for a while his passing has been questionable. Would we risk taking him out in replacement for loan that could go back in Jan? Then be left with a player in Burgess who's confidence could be knocked more and be worse for us? Either way it's sending a message to Burgess he is not good enough. [Post edited 15 Dec 2025 20:14]
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There's a few ways Matos could approach this.....
(1) Either Matos sees him being good enough, or he doesn't. If he doesn't think he's good enough he would have that honest conversation with him, tell him he's dropped and explain what he needs to improve in to get back in the team. The rest is down to Burgess then to either take that on and work on his flaws or throw his toys out of the pram and down tools. Either way he either improves or only plays a bit part going forward, if that's his attitude (and I'm not suggesting it it's) then we're no worse off.
(2) Matos can sense he L's not quite performing to the expected level and can take him out of the firing line for a few games/weeks over the festive period to 'rest'. Burgess gets to work on his game,.have a rest and comes back fresher in the new year. Risk is Burgess confidence will drop plasma result, but that would largely depend on his character and how he's handled by Matos and the coaches.
(3) Matos appreciates he's trying his best and whilst not perfect feels he will continue to develop by working with him in training and through carrying on playing,.possibly still making mistakes but learning from them,.we.see this happen a lot with younger players where mistakes are more accepted but perhaps Burgess is being treated in the same way.
On a personal level i still like him, he wears his heart on his sleeve, and there's a good strong defender there, he just needs to be managed through this dip in form and I think he'll come out the other end a far better player for us in the long term. That being said, I do also like the look of Casey and would like to see him have a run of games, possibly utilising a system with 3 CB's which provides more defensive support to Cabango and Burgess. | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 19:01 - Dec 16 with 1804 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 15:59 - Dec 16 by howenjack |
Great post , I was listening to John Eustace last night after Derby had demolished Wednesday 3-0 . He was downplaying the "euphoria" of the win stating that the championship is a unique league that provides unique challenges that have to be overcome in each and every game . It's about adapting to face every opponent and then concentrating on the next challenge around the corner. Very grounded guy who i think will have Derby in or around the play-offs at the end of the season. |
Sheehan knew how to use the squad at his disposal to counter Derby's upturn of form under Eustace last season but was unable to get to grips with the new squad to overturn Derby under experienced manager Eustace this season.
Matos has a lot inexperienced players some finally finding their feet hopefully he can coach them to improved and gel as a team to improve performances. Will he let some of the younger squad members who have dropped down the pecking order a chance to claim a position in the first team squad which hasn't performed as expected this season. | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 19:10 - Dec 16 with 1801 views | wwcigne |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 18:32 - Dec 16 by GVJack |
There's a few ways Matos could approach this.....
(1) Either Matos sees him being good enough, or he doesn't. If he doesn't think he's good enough he would have that honest conversation with him, tell him he's dropped and explain what he needs to improve in to get back in the team. The rest is down to Burgess then to either take that on and work on his flaws or throw his toys out of the pram and down tools. Either way he either improves or only plays a bit part going forward, if that's his attitude (and I'm not suggesting it it's) then we're no worse off.
(2) Matos can sense he L's not quite performing to the expected level and can take him out of the firing line for a few games/weeks over the festive period to 'rest'. Burgess gets to work on his game,.have a rest and comes back fresher in the new year. Risk is Burgess confidence will drop plasma result, but that would largely depend on his character and how he's handled by Matos and the coaches.
(3) Matos appreciates he's trying his best and whilst not perfect feels he will continue to develop by working with him in training and through carrying on playing,.possibly still making mistakes but learning from them,.we.see this happen a lot with younger players where mistakes are more accepted but perhaps Burgess is being treated in the same way.
On a personal level i still like him, he wears his heart on his sleeve, and there's a good strong defender there, he just needs to be managed through this dip in form and I think he'll come out the other end a far better player for us in the long term. That being said, I do also like the look of Casey and would like to see him have a run of games, possibly utilising a system with 3 CB's which provides more defensive support to Cabango and Burgess. |
Burgess is an old fashioned centre half , no nonsense win balls in the air type, a number of of championship teams have such a player and have another ball playing centre half alongside them,
I’m sure Vitor will sort things out,we can see pattern in his play already and when his coaching team arrive ,I’m sure we’ll improve | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 19:37 - Dec 16 with 1768 views | shingle |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 19:22 - Dec 14 by Fireboy2 |
I think thats a big bite 🎣 [Post edited 14 Dec 2025 19:25]
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I have been living rent free inside is head for a while now it seems. | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 19:44 - Dec 16 with 1747 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 19:10 - Dec 16 by wwcigne |
Burgess is an old fashioned centre half , no nonsense win balls in the air type, a number of of championship teams have such a player and have another ball playing centre half alongside them,
I’m sure Vitor will sort things out,we can see pattern in his play already and when his coaching team arrive ,I’m sure we’ll improve |
He strikes me the same , a limited but very good pro
He’s no Bobby Moore ? He’s not even an Ash | |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 00:08 - Dec 17 with 1623 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread on 18:32 - Dec 16 by GVJack |
There's a few ways Matos could approach this.....
(1) Either Matos sees him being good enough, or he doesn't. If he doesn't think he's good enough he would have that honest conversation with him, tell him he's dropped and explain what he needs to improve in to get back in the team. The rest is down to Burgess then to either take that on and work on his flaws or throw his toys out of the pram and down tools. Either way he either improves or only plays a bit part going forward, if that's his attitude (and I'm not suggesting it it's) then we're no worse off.
(2) Matos can sense he L's not quite performing to the expected level and can take him out of the firing line for a few games/weeks over the festive period to 'rest'. Burgess gets to work on his game,.have a rest and comes back fresher in the new year. Risk is Burgess confidence will drop plasma result, but that would largely depend on his character and how he's handled by Matos and the coaches.
(3) Matos appreciates he's trying his best and whilst not perfect feels he will continue to develop by working with him in training and through carrying on playing,.possibly still making mistakes but learning from them,.we.see this happen a lot with younger players where mistakes are more accepted but perhaps Burgess is being treated in the same way.
On a personal level i still like him, he wears his heart on his sleeve, and there's a good strong defender there, he just needs to be managed through this dip in form and I think he'll come out the other end a far better player for us in the long term. That being said, I do also like the look of Casey and would like to see him have a run of games, possibly utilising a system with 3 CB's which provides more defensive support to Cabango and Burgess. |
Three at the back for away games allows us to give us the options of driving forward on the flanks with wingbacks but you would have to dispense with the traditional wingers loading the midfield with the likes of Widell, Galbraith on the left, Stamenic, Franco on the right. Vip up top, more oor less a Martin formation but without restricting us to continuous slow ball from the back.
The likes of Inoussa and Eom interchangeable with the midfielders as and when changes needed.
Wingbacks Tymon on the left, pick any three out of Key, Ronald and Parker on the right, in all honesty I would prefer to play our own players with potential rather than a team built of loanees, Happy to play Casey but can we afford to not give our young prospects game time. If they come good we could benefit both on the pitch and the bank balance in the long run. | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 08:34 - Dec 17 with 1514 views | Azzuriswan |
Back to the game and whoever plays for us on Friday must be on the ball literally from the off...a big home crowd who will back the team if they show some spirit which I am sure they will do as VM will instil some hywl in them.
Swans to win 3-1 | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 09:38 - Dec 17 with 1447 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 08:34 - Dec 17 by Azzuriswan |
Back to the game and whoever plays for us on Friday must be on the ball literally from the off...a big home crowd who will back the team if they show some spirit which I am sure they will do as VM will instil some hywl in them.
Swans to win 3-1 |
I’m going 2-1
Moore will score though
We can do this | |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 13:48 - Dec 17 with 1344 views | KeithHaynes |
Swansea City v Wrexham and the FA Premier Cup 17th Dec 2025 11:04The focus this week is the derby game that isn’t one really, the game between two Welsh sides so far apart it should never be classed as one. Both sides have been scratching around the mid to lower half of the Championship all season and nothing it seems will change on current form. 0
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 19:18 - Dec 17 with 1175 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 19:51 - Dec 17 with 1137 views | Boundy |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 08:34 - Dec 17 by Azzuriswan |
Back to the game and whoever plays for us on Friday must be on the ball literally from the off...a big home crowd who will back the team if they show some spirit which I am sure they will do as VM will instil some hywl in them.
Swans to win 3-1 |
As always a positive post , maybe not 3-1 but I expect a win to us of course. | |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 16:00 - Dec 18 with 852 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 19:45 - Dec 18 with 685 views | swansjack84 |
Really hope we win tomorrow for multiple reasons
I won't lie, my confidence is low and worry O Brian will score and Keiffer. Get the win and possibly or most likely we lose against Coventry. Sorry not a positive post. Let's hope I'm wrong in every way. | | | |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 21:00 - Dec 18 with 605 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 19:45 - Dec 18 by swansjack84 |
Really hope we win tomorrow for multiple reasons
I won't lie, my confidence is low and worry O Brian will score and Keiffer. Get the win and possibly or most likely we lose against Coventry. Sorry not a positive post. Let's hope I'm wrong in every way. |
It’s an honest post
Positive” ones look good
It’s why some post them
Be yourself and say how you feel | |
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| Swansea City v Wrexham : Match day thread UPDATED on 11:40 - Dec 19 with 386 views | blaenaugwentjack |
Sorry everyone, but for me I'm going 3 - 3 draw.a end to end thriller. That's it I've given the kiss of death. 0 - 0 bore fest it is then 😆 | | | |
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