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The tone is awful, the content contradicts what Trump and Rubio said last year, but in the cold light of day it is hard to disagree about the Chagos aspect. Even a broken clock is right twice a day,
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 14:24 - Jan 22 with 1351 views
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 07:38 - Jan 22 by Dr_Winston
There is a school of thought that suggests he does it deliberately as a tactic to keep everyone uncertain about what he wants. To bluster and demand far more than he's actually quite willing to accept.
That's probably giving him far more credit than he actually deserves, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a grain of truth to it. Not much more than a grain mind.
He's a bit like the analogue version of the tech bros 'break everything and see what happens'.
Effective in parts but very very distructive.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 14:28 - Jan 22 with 1344 views
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 10:08 - Jan 22 by AnotherJohn
A lot of people say this, but I don't think it is 100% accurate. The treaty gives the US the right to deploy defensive armaments but not offensive armaments, and as I understand things Denmark needs to be consulted. This is what Co-pilot says on this point:
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• Denmark retains full sovereignty over Greenland, and the U.S. explicitly recognized this in the agreement. Any military activity must align with Denmark’s policies and NATO’s defensive posture. • Historically, Denmark has maintained strict control over what types of weapons systems may be stationed on its territory, including Greenland, and has consistently rejected the placement of offensive or nuclear weapons there.
----- My guess is that Trump wants to widen the USA's absolute discretion about what type of weapons it can deploy, and to achieve this wants a sovereign base model along the lines of the UK base in Cyprus. Probably there will also be something about mineral rights in any agreement. The change in base status would give more latitude for the USA to decide on the range of technologies to be incorporated in "Golden Dome". So there may be an element of method in Trump's apparent madness.
I find it odd that in order to protect themselves from Russia, it's US allies hes taking on.
I don't believe Russia has been subject to any of his tarriff messing around.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 15:17 - Jan 22 with 1289 views
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 14:28 - Jan 22 by Gwyn737
I find it odd that in order to protect themselves from Russia, it's US allies hes taking on.
I don't believe Russia has been subject to any of his tarriff messing around.
That is certainly true of Trump's bizarre stance on Ukraine and Russia. It is as though Putin has some strange hold over the POTUS. I am just pointing to an aspect of the situation in Greenland that most observers may have been slow to understand.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 16:00 - Jan 22 with 1253 views
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 15:17 - Jan 22 by AnotherJohn
That is certainly true of Trump's bizarre stance on Ukraine and Russia. It is as though Putin has some strange hold over the POTUS. I am just pointing to an aspect of the situation in Greenland that most observers may have been slow to understand.
I suppose it depends if the attack weapons are needed there.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 18:12 - Jan 22 with 1197 views
A number of sources are reporting that Badenoch had a meeting with Mike Johnson and that the Chagos deal was brought up in the meeting. Looks like Johnson has then gon3 off and had a word in Trump’s ear hence the comments.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 22:39 - Jan 22 with 1144 views
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 22:39 - Jan 22 by johnlangy
It's a strange world when a lamebrain like Trump can call the Chagos deal an act of stupidity and then invite Putin onto his 'Board of Peace'.
Now that is 'an act of great stupidity'. And if you were to suggest that to him he probably wouldn't understand why anyone would think it.
Amazing.
There are stories circulating that this so called “Board of Peace” is an attempt to create an organisation to rival the UN, but obviously with a more American and Trump centric thrust.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 11:04 - Jan 23 with 1051 views
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 01:03 - Jan 23 by majorraglan
There are stories circulating that this so called “Board of Peace” is an attempt to create an organisation to rival the UN, but obviously with a more American and Trump centric thrust.
I have been to the UN and seen it working, it really is unrivalled and an inspirational organisation and I can't see anything rivalling it.
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 11:04 - Jan 23 by Whiterockin
I have been to the UN and seen it working, it really is unrivalled and an inspirational organisation and I can't see anything rivalling it.
I wouldn’t disagree with you, but there are some who would. Just look how some governments are cutting funding because it doesn’t fit with their plans.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 00:08 - Jan 24 with 955 views
Canada is getting cold feet over their F35 purchases.
At 8 minutes it explains US can control the effectiveness of the F35 by not carrying vital "software updates" and performance declines if these are m not carried out.
Trump is no viable with his words. We spent billions on this kit based on R TRUST on Lockheed Martin and other US firms. With Trump insulting the UK military and Witkoff on the side of Russia the situation is extremely serious and can only be resolved with the removal of Trump and his team.
We do not give $ billions to people who insult us at every turn who we cannot rely on. Grippen are offering Canada control. The UK Military establishment has put total faith in the US and now look very stupid. The Typhoons will perhaps need a longer shelf life, The F35 as I understand it belong to the Royal Navy attached to the two giant Aircraft Carriers.
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 00:08 - Jan 24 by ReslovenSwan1
Canada is getting cold feet over their F35 purchases.
At 8 minutes it explains US can control the effectiveness of the F35 by not carrying vital "software updates" and performance declines if these are m not carried out.
Trump is no viable with his words. We spent billions on this kit based on R TRUST on Lockheed Martin and other US firms. With Trump insulting the UK military and Witkoff on the side of Russia the situation is extremely serious and can only be resolved with the removal of Trump and his team.
We do not give $ billions to people who insult us at every turn who we cannot rely on. Grippen are offering Canada control. The UK Military establishment has put total faith in the US and now look very stupid. The Typhoons will perhaps need a longer shelf life, The F35 as I understand it belong to the Royal Navy attached to the two giant Aircraft Carriers.
I don't deny that there are grounds for worrying about the F35 and whether its performance is under the purchasers' full control, but the last bit of the post doesn't take account of recent developments. The UK ordered 48 F35Bs for the carriers, with the full batch to be delivered by March 2026. I think we have received 38 so far with one lost in an accident, but a few are involved in testing in the USA. The UK "Lightening Force" is based at RAF Marham and jointly controlled by the RAF and RN, using personnel from both services. More recently, the Govt has stated that the UK will now buy 12 F35As for the RAF and another 25 F35Bs for the "Lightening Force" for delivery by 2033. The Government has further stated that it plans to buy a total of 138 F35s of both types over the life of the upgrade programme. I agree that this poses certain risks. The problem is that the main rivals - Typhoons, Gripens, Rafales - are so-called four and a half generation jets rather than fifth generation jets, and do not have the same stealth capability.
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 09:05 - Jan 24 by AnotherJohn
I don't deny that there are grounds for worrying about the F35 and whether its performance is under the purchasers' full control, but the last bit of the post doesn't take account of recent developments. The UK ordered 48 F35Bs for the carriers, with the full batch to be delivered by March 2026. I think we have received 38 so far with one lost in an accident, but a few are involved in testing in the USA. The UK "Lightening Force" is based at RAF Marham and jointly controlled by the RAF and RN, using personnel from both services. More recently, the Govt has stated that the UK will now buy 12 F35As for the RAF and another 25 F35Bs for the "Lightening Force" for delivery by 2033. The Government has further stated that it plans to buy a total of 138 F35s of both types over the life of the upgrade programme. I agree that this poses certain risks. The problem is that the main rivals - Typhoons, Gripens, Rafales - are so-called four and a half generation jets rather than fifth generation jets, and do not have the same stealth capability.
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 10:16 - Jan 24 by max936
Can't believe that our military people wouldn't know that some elements of the military hardware secrets we buy off other countries is held back.
It is about software not hardware. I personally would never do a deal with the team of Trump, Wittkoff and Hesgeth or even Rubio.
Trump is conflating issues and using leverage where it does not belong. The Canadian Prime minister Carney is navigating this quagmire and probably will outlast Trump and MAGA and try to deal with a more constructive partner.
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 21:57 - Jan 28 by ReslovenSwan1
It is about software not hardware. I personally would never do a deal with the team of Trump, Wittkoff and Hesgeth or even Rubio.
Trump is conflating issues and using leverage where it does not belong. The Canadian Prime minister Carney is navigating this quagmire and probably will outlast Trump and MAGA and try to deal with a more constructive partner.
I couldn't careless what you would or wouldn't do and I mentioned hardware because it covers it all including software
'The tone is awful, the content contradicts what Trump and Rubio said last year, but in the cold light of day it is hard to disagree about the Chagos aspect. Even a broken clock is right twice a day,'
This bumbling idiot can't even achieve what a broken clock does. What an utter fool.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 19:17 - Feb 17 with 239 views
This hints at a form of corruption that occurs when senior elements in a country's legal establishment become too closely entwined with government. In effect they come up with solutions that experts in countries that feel they have cases against the UK could not arrive at without their help, and they profit handsomely. The close relationships between advocates and former colleagues in government facilitate this process. And yet the cumulative effect is national self-harm, if not actual suicide. It is as though the elite profits but isolates itself from the ever growing collateral damage to the nation. There is a last days of Rome feel about what is happening.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 03:49 - Feb 18 with 162 views
Another angle that has just come up in the news concerns the original (advisory) judgment by the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea.
Critics have found that the treaty that established the tribunal contains provision for an opt out that would exclude the Chagos base from the jurisdiction of the tribunal if exercised.
Article 298 allows states to declare exceptions to compulsory dispute settlement procedures under UNCLOS, effectively excluding certain sensitive disputes from binding adjudication.
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AI Overview
Article 298 of the UNCLOS provides optional exceptions to the compulsory dispute settlement mechanisms outlined in Part XV, Section 2 of the Convention. When a state signs, ratifies, or accedes to the Convention, it may declare in writing that it does not accept compulsory procedures for certain categories of disputes, without affecting its other obligations under the Convention.
Categories of Disputes Excluded The article allows states to exclude disputes concerning:
Military activities by government vessels or aircraft engaged in non-commercial service.
The Government probably won't take any notice as they are claiming that Mauritius could take the case to other international courts and eventually get a binding decision, but the fact that this has been kept out of public view says something about the intention to get the deal done.
In another development four Chagossians have arrived on one of the islands and are daring the UK government to remove them. The complications keep coming thick and fast.
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Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 11:34 - Feb 18 with 110 views
Trump rubbishes Chagos deal on 22:05 - Feb 17 by AnotherJohn
This hints at a form of corruption that occurs when senior elements in a country's legal establishment become too closely entwined with government. In effect they come up with solutions that experts in countries that feel they have cases against the UK could not arrive at without their help, and they profit handsomely. The close relationships between advocates and former colleagues in government facilitate this process. And yet the cumulative effect is national self-harm, if not actual suicide. It is as though the elite profits but isolates itself from the ever growing collateral damage to the nation. There is a last days of Rome feel about what is happening.
In short, there is a risk of those in Government interpreting the law to suit their own ends. There should be clear lines of differentiation. We have a member of the legal establishment in charge who is bound to think that he can influence the course of the legal process.
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