| Recent car deaths 16:20 - Aug 23 with 7986 views | onehunglow |
Huyton
Ireland
Now Middlesbrough
Young scrites killing innocents
No over 70s doing this site and filing for TikTok
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| Recent car deaths on 19:59 - Aug 23 with 1967 views | union_jack |
| Recent car deaths on 18:48 - Aug 23 by trampie |
There we are you agree with me then that in some circumstances the police should not do car chases.
It depends on the seriousness of the crime, the danger to the public, chasing somebody for stealing a loaf of bread when it becomes obvious they won't stop and it's school closing time in a built up area is not a good idea imo. |
Don’t try and claim you’ve won this argument🤣🤣. You said ‘in lots of cases’. I’m saying in very few where risks are assessed by the supervising inspector from information by the officers in pursuit. A complete no-no is down the wrong way if a motorway which is why many trying to get away choose that option.
You were intimating that they should hardly do it at all as it too dangerous whereas by not doing it I’ll argue that it is more dangerous and sets a precedent that will lead to much more serious injuries or deaths in time. |  |
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| Recent car deaths on 20:09 - Aug 23 with 1916 views | trampie |
| Recent car deaths on 19:59 - Aug 23 by union_jack |
Don’t try and claim you’ve won this argument🤣🤣. You said ‘in lots of cases’. I’m saying in very few where risks are assessed by the supervising inspector from information by the officers in pursuit. A complete no-no is down the wrong way if a motorway which is why many trying to get away choose that option.
You were intimating that they should hardly do it at all as it too dangerous whereas by not doing it I’ll argue that it is more dangerous and sets a precedent that will lead to much more serious injuries or deaths in time. |
Oh no the police swear an oath they are well reimbursed to do their job they can chase the baddies no problem there (dont want them in the canteen all shift), commonsense needs to be used when to chase and when not to, I would hope that due to the many instances of the public being killed in the past that the police have now learnt to be more aware of the dangers to the general public when deciding what course of action to take. |  |
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| Recent car deaths on 20:24 - Aug 23 with 1896 views | Whiterockin |
Seems to me like someone trying to defend their own, surely there can be no other reason. |  | | |
| Recent car deaths on 20:26 - Aug 23 with 1895 views | Boundy |
| Recent car deaths on 18:03 - Aug 23 by trampie |
The point has gone straight over your head, sometimes it's just not worth chasing due to the danger to the public, it may well be they went down a slip road the wrong way and at that point the police decided not to chase which would be fair enough, but as a generalisation sometimes it's just not worth it, I would expect the police to have an experienced senior person in the office to give the order not to chase if they deem it's not worth it, in lots of cases quite possibly it would make no difference to the outcome but in some cases it might make a difference. |
You made your point pretty clear to all , you blamed the police even though you have no idea whether the police were pursuing them and if they were how did they manage to collide head on . You made random comments about other incidents which had occurred and seemingly added two & two together but made 5. You’ve blamed the police for the acts of others , disgusting comments even by your standards . | |
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| Recent car deaths on 20:49 - Aug 23 with 1851 views | Boundy |
| Recent car deaths on 19:14 - Aug 23 by KeithHaynes |
The general public on FB have no sympathy for these five who died. Astonishingly. The main thrust is the respect for the two officers who died. There’s hope yet. |
The general public even these times still have a moral compass , knowing whats right and wrong and those two coppers shouldn't have died , neither should those ladies and child in Ireland have been involved in the criminal acts of others and people reconise that .There's always hope , its all we have . | |
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| Recent car deaths on 20:55 - Aug 23 with 1818 views | trampie |
| Recent car deaths on 20:26 - Aug 23 by Boundy |
You made your point pretty clear to all , you blamed the police even though you have no idea whether the police were pursuing them and if they were how did they manage to collide head on . You made random comments about other incidents which had occurred and seemingly added two & two together but made 5. You’ve blamed the police for the acts of others , disgusting comments even by your standards . |
I don't blame the police at all in this recent incident, the police have done nothing wrong. | |
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| Recent car deaths on 21:16 - Aug 23 with 1792 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Recent car deaths on 20:49 - Aug 23 by Boundy |
The general public even these times still have a moral compass , knowing whats right and wrong and those two coppers shouldn't have died , neither should those ladies and child in Ireland have been involved in the criminal acts of others and people reconise that .There's always hope , its all we have . |
When we have people driving at high speed endangering the general public and down the wrong side of dual carriageways, I would like the police to take action and commend the police for doing so. |  |
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| Recent car deaths on 21:21 - Aug 23 with 1778 views | union_jack |
| Recent car deaths on 20:09 - Aug 23 by trampie |
Oh no the police swear an oath they are well reimbursed to do their job they can chase the baddies no problem there (dont want them in the canteen all shift), commonsense needs to be used when to chase and when not to, I would hope that due to the many instances of the public being killed in the past that the police have now learnt to be more aware of the dangers to the general public when deciding what course of action to take. |
You seem to have a certain amount of contempt for the police. Been involved on the wrong side maybe?
But to address yet another of your very weak points, there may have been instances where innocents have been killed due to police chases, but not ‘many’ as you suggest.
That same word could be used for numbers hurt, maimed or killed if no action was taken at all.
Stop with your nonsense. | |
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| Recent car deaths on 21:29 - Aug 23 with 1732 views | trampie |
| Recent car deaths on 21:21 - Aug 23 by union_jack |
You seem to have a certain amount of contempt for the police. Been involved on the wrong side maybe?
But to address yet another of your very weak points, there may have been instances where innocents have been killed due to police chases, but not ‘many’ as you suggest.
That same word could be used for numbers hurt, maimed or killed if no action was taken at all.
Stop with your nonsense. |
No contempt for the police from me, I have family who are high ranking police officers, their own unmarked police car (with lights and sirens) etc the other officers call them 'Ma'am'.
I don't put people on a pedestal for doing a paid job, whether that is being a soldier, vicar, doctor, police or teacher, there are good people in all professions but there are also not so good as well. | |
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| Recent car deaths on 21:30 - Aug 23 with 1748 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Recent car deaths on 17:15 - Aug 23 by trampie |
Police should not chase people in cars that are showing no sign of stopping in lots of circumstances (going throw built up areas etc), not referring to this recent tragedy as we don't know what happened yet but in general it's been a bug bear of mine for years, it's not worth it, lots of innocent people have been killed and not just by the people being chased either.
I said to the wife early on today that it would seem like a bit of a swizz if the police chase had been called off something like 2 minutes before the crash, now its been reported they are claiming they called it off 10 seconds before the crash, I'm not disputing that but it would only be a technicality if true, 10 seconds mind you, I'm not a fan of police chasing not stopping cars is it worth it if its not murder or terrorism when they will probably catch them anyway via the registration and cameras, many years ago I remember reading if I recall a mother and baby in a pram killed in the West Midlands by a police car chasing somebody and I think the crime was stealing a loaf of bread or something relatively minor. |
You haven't thought about this, you seem to advocate having cars driving at high speed through build up areas without any restraint where there are going to be large numbers of the general public. | |
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| Recent car deaths on 21:47 - Aug 23 with 1707 views | trampie |
| Recent car deaths on 21:30 - Aug 23 by JACKMANANDBOY |
You haven't thought about this, you seem to advocate having cars driving at high speed through build up areas without any restraint where there are going to be large numbers of the general public. |
Perhaps the reason why some police call off chases is in the hope that the ones doing the speeding in built up areas will then stop speeding if they are not being chased. | |
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| Recent car deaths on 01:51 - Aug 24 with 1637 views | Robbie |
Justice system is out of control on sentencing , so many loopholes the accused can now get out of jail for , although the prisons are full anyway so no dererient for them cauught .
The baddies know a slap om the wrist and do not do it again will be the sentence if a case ever reaches the courtroom , first hand of shoplifters and plod nowhere to be seen .
Decent coppers have lost their lives , a few balloons will be released but to what end result.
Law and order is lost , politicians will wring their hands and offer token gesture apologies and state the figures for crime are on a downward trend , more BS .
Driving these days is taking your life into your own hands on our roads anywway . | | | |
| Recent car deaths on 06:02 - Aug 24 with 1574 views | Cornys_Elbow |
| Recent car deaths on 18:12 - Aug 23 by onehunglow |
I’ve been that senior person to give the authorisation
It’s the judgement of those at scene though
They are out there dealing with matters you’d run away from
Scenario, somebody rapes your daughter / granddaughter ,is reported and spotted
What would you do
Pursue or let them get away with
We either fight these rats or let them run amok
Too many are |
Joining a motorway to deliberately enter the
opposite carriageway is having blatant disregard
for the safety of all road users in the vicinity.
For me the police have a duty to protect and
somehow warn oncoming traffic of the immediate
danger to thier life. The pursuit drivers train for all
scenarios. Imagine a 52 seater coach full of school
children turns over avoiding some lunatic as no
traffic cars had followed the police would then be
blamed for not doing their job. They can't win.awful
decision for someone having to make. These clowns
drive like maniacs in built up areas because they know
the police will stop the pursuit. They must continue to
follow through built up areas otherwise there is no
deterrent as towns and cities across the UK will
become race tracks again like the joyriding days
of the 80s and 90s.
My heart goes out to you knowing you taken responsibility
for such high pressure decisions . | | | |
| Recent car deaths on 09:27 - Aug 24 with 1494 views | onehunglow |
| Recent car deaths on 06:02 - Aug 24 by Cornys_Elbow |
Joining a motorway to deliberately enter the
opposite carriageway is having blatant disregard
for the safety of all road users in the vicinity.
For me the police have a duty to protect and
somehow warn oncoming traffic of the immediate
danger to thier life. The pursuit drivers train for all
scenarios. Imagine a 52 seater coach full of school
children turns over avoiding some lunatic as no
traffic cars had followed the police would then be
blamed for not doing their job. They can't win.awful
decision for someone having to make. These clowns
drive like maniacs in built up areas because they know
the police will stop the pursuit. They must continue to
follow through built up areas otherwise there is no
deterrent as towns and cities across the UK will
become race tracks again like the joyriding days
of the 80s and 90s.
My heart goes out to you knowing you taken responsibility
for such high pressure decisions . |
When you make decisions like that , normally it’s fine
Do you authorise a pursuit when kids leaving school in the area
However things go tots up and you are targeted as more senior officers will not back you up and sacrifice you
I authorised a helicopter on one occasion for a missing child then two weeks later got the bill and asked to justify decision
That was 30 yrs ago so it’s not new | |
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| Recent car deaths on 09:29 - Aug 24 with 1493 views | onehunglow |
| Recent car deaths on 01:51 - Aug 24 by Robbie |
Justice system is out of control on sentencing , so many loopholes the accused can now get out of jail for , although the prisons are full anyway so no dererient for them cauught .
The baddies know a slap om the wrist and do not do it again will be the sentence if a case ever reaches the courtroom , first hand of shoplifters and plod nowhere to be seen .
Decent coppers have lost their lives , a few balloons will be released but to what end result.
Law and order is lost , politicians will wring their hands and offer token gesture apologies and state the figures for crime are on a downward trend , more BS .
Driving these days is taking your life into your own hands on our roads anywway . |
It’s not a human right to have a driving licence either
Drink /drug drive :::life ban | |
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| Recent car deaths on 09:50 - Aug 24 with 1470 views | Whiterockin |
| Recent car deaths on 09:29 - Aug 24 by onehunglow |
It’s not a human right to have a driving licence either
Drink /drug drive :::life ban |
As one who doesn't take drugs and will consume zero alcohol when driving that is too harsh. As the law stands you can have a certain amount of alcohol in your blood and be legal to drive, to have a lifetime ban for being marginally over is just stupid. | | | |
| Recent car deaths on 10:40 - Aug 24 with 1445 views | onehunglow |
| Recent car deaths on 09:50 - Aug 24 by Whiterockin |
As one who doesn't take drugs and will consume zero alcohol when driving that is too harsh. As the law stands you can have a certain amount of alcohol in your blood and be legal to drive, to have a lifetime ban for being marginally over is just stupid. |
It’s stupidity to believe any alcohol doesn’t affect driving ability
The limit is the limit
Marginally over matters not ,it’s over
People simply have to get real and consider when they are to get into a vehicle
It’s stupid to allow people to be at risk from drivers even marginally affected by drink or drugs
It’s stupid to believe the general public are sensible in general
Its stupid to believe that we have deterrents in this country
We either front up or suffer consequences
Stupidity isn’t believing different to you | |
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| Recent car deaths on 11:19 - Aug 24 with 1401 views | Whiterockin |
| Recent car deaths on 10:40 - Aug 24 by onehunglow |
It’s stupidity to believe any alcohol doesn’t affect driving ability
The limit is the limit
Marginally over matters not ,it’s over
People simply have to get real and consider when they are to get into a vehicle
It’s stupid to allow people to be at risk from drivers even marginally affected by drink or drugs
It’s stupid to believe the general public are sensible in general
Its stupid to believe that we have deterrents in this country
We either front up or suffer consequences
Stupidity isn’t believing different to you |
I would say there needs to be degrees of punishment. Take it to the extreme, you kill someone and there are several degrees of punishment including murder and manslaughter. You can not be just over the limit do no harm to anybody or anything and get a life ban. Sometimes you need to think before you post or you will be rightly ridiculed. | | | |
| Recent car deaths on 11:20 - Aug 24 with 1404 views | onehunglow |
We disagree
That’s it
This country needs to wake up and wise up
A driving licence is not a “ right”
Fin | |
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| Recent car deaths on 14:44 - Aug 25 with 1188 views | Gwyn737 |
| Recent car deaths on 09:50 - Aug 24 by Whiterockin |
As one who doesn't take drugs and will consume zero alcohol when driving that is too harsh. As the law stands you can have a certain amount of alcohol in your blood and be legal to drive, to have a lifetime ban for being marginally over is just stupid. |
Not just stupid but impossible.
Consuming anything with high levels ethanol can give you an above zero result - some mouthwashes, asthma inhalers, highly fermented bread, baking extracts etc. | | | |
| Recent car deaths on 16:32 - Aug 25 with 1150 views | onehunglow |
| Recent car deaths on 14:44 - Aug 25 by Gwyn737 |
Not just stupid but impossible.
Consuming anything with high levels ethanol can give you an above zero result - some mouthwashes, asthma inhalers, highly fermented bread, baking extracts etc. |
Not it’s not stupid or impossible
Maybe let’s stick to the 35 limit
People should have self discipline and monitor themselves
How do Chechia Hungary Slovakia folk manage where limit is zero and also Germany and Switzerland where limit is zero for novice drivers and 0.05 % for experienced drivers
They have asthma suffers too,as does most of South America where limit is zero
Zero tolerance would save lives
As for those who can’t face not drinking a day before a journey then change your life
We clearly make excuses for what is difficult in life
We have given up
We have problems which can be addressed
Everything is possible with the right mindset
Our mindset ,here’s an example ,MP for Redcar actually eulogising and shedding tears for those rats who killed two police officers who weren’t even “ pursuing “ them as they were finishing their shift
Then the Greens who want to take away Pepper Sprays and Tazers
This is our mindset in this country
Stupid isn’t it [Post edited 25 Aug 17:45]
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| Recent car deaths on 18:13 - Aug 25 with 1119 views | Gwyn737 |
| Recent car deaths on 16:32 - Aug 25 by onehunglow |
Not it’s not stupid or impossible
Maybe let’s stick to the 35 limit
People should have self discipline and monitor themselves
How do Chechia Hungary Slovakia folk manage where limit is zero and also Germany and Switzerland where limit is zero for novice drivers and 0.05 % for experienced drivers
They have asthma suffers too,as does most of South America where limit is zero
Zero tolerance would save lives
As for those who can’t face not drinking a day before a journey then change your life
We clearly make excuses for what is difficult in life
We have given up
We have problems which can be addressed
Everything is possible with the right mindset
Our mindset ,here’s an example ,MP for Redcar actually eulogising and shedding tears for those rats who killed two police officers who weren’t even “ pursuing “ them as they were finishing their shift
Then the Greens who want to take away Pepper Sprays and Tazers
This is our mindset in this country
Stupid isn’t it [Post edited 25 Aug 17:45]
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What punishment would you suggest for someone taking their asthma inhaler then driving? | | | |
| Recent car deaths on 18:39 - Aug 25 with 1107 views | onehunglow |
| Recent car deaths on 18:13 - Aug 25 by Gwyn737 |
What punishment would you suggest for someone taking their asthma inhaler then driving? |
My son in law is asthmatic
He’s taken several breath tests ( within the job)
Zero
How do people manage on those countries I’ve mentioned
Most asthma inhalers are alcohol free, you’ve not mentioned that
The minute particles of ethanol stay within the mouth and would not reach the blood stream for intoximter purposes
Clearly we have a alcohol culture in this culture
People demand the right to have drinks on a plane when clearly already imbibed
We excuse bad behaviour because of drink
We think we’re ok after one drink to drive
We simply cannot control this and look for any excuses not to brutalise drink and doped drivers . Whom you’ve not mentioned
Think I’m done here
Take care and hope drunk drivers stay out of your way | |
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| Recent car deaths on 20:03 - Aug 25 with 1071 views | Gwyn737 |
| Recent car deaths on 18:39 - Aug 25 by onehunglow |
My son in law is asthmatic
He’s taken several breath tests ( within the job)
Zero
How do people manage on those countries I’ve mentioned
Most asthma inhalers are alcohol free, you’ve not mentioned that
The minute particles of ethanol stay within the mouth and would not reach the blood stream for intoximter purposes
Clearly we have a alcohol culture in this culture
People demand the right to have drinks on a plane when clearly already imbibed
We excuse bad behaviour because of drink
We think we’re ok after one drink to drive
We simply cannot control this and look for any excuses not to brutalise drink and doped drivers . Whom you’ve not mentioned
Think I’m done here
Take care and hope drunk drivers stay out of your way |
Those things I mentioned show up in breath tests but not the bloodstream.
In those countries they tend to take in those who fail breath tests to have their blood taken, show 0 then are released.
Bit of a palaver for someone who had eaten a cup cake with vanilla extract in it. | | | |
| Recent car deaths on 01:53 - Aug 26 with 1013 views | Robbie |
Does seem these thieves knew the law on police chase actions and gambled on them calling off the pursuit as soon as they went down the wrong way of traffic travel direction .
Maybe Dublin was a case of nonsense tik tok likes or other online bravado but the other incident in Middlesborough seems to being in a different Police investigation .
Lot of outsiders now involved in Police enquires including one of the deads fathers house being targeted in a ram raid . | | | |
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