| John Leslie 18:20 - Oct 19 with 1134 views | britferry |
Made of Teflon obviously.
Found not guilty of groping a woman boobies back in 2008 |  |
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| John Leslie on 18:21 - Oct 19 with 842 views | Boundy |
I know he has a certain reputation but maybe and its just a thought but maybe he didn't do it | |
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| John Leslie on 18:34 - Oct 19 with 820 views | onehunglow |
Easy allegation to make.
12 yrs ago, no corroboration and several female co presenters queuing up to peak out in his favour.
His being found not guilty after just Tweny Three minute will upset some .
Ive no idea what he is like nor was I at the scene. Plenty others weren't too.
Wrongful allegations damage even if people found not guilty as people have prurient interests in matters that do not concern them directly.
And no...I am not "sticking up" for him before the usual comments flow. He was found not guilty but the shyte will stick.He is finished -at 55 yrs of age. | |
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| John Leslie on 18:39 - Oct 19 with 816 views | britferry |
| John Leslie on 18:34 - Oct 19 by onehunglow |
Easy allegation to make.
12 yrs ago, no corroboration and several female co presenters queuing up to peak out in his favour.
His being found not guilty after just Tweny Three minute will upset some .
Ive no idea what he is like nor was I at the scene. Plenty others weren't too.
Wrongful allegations damage even if people found not guilty as people have prurient interests in matters that do not concern them directly.
And no...I am not "sticking up" for him before the usual comments flow. He was found not guilty but the shyte will stick.He is finished -at 55 yrs of age. |
waiting 12 years obviously didnt help... but after Saville & the rest of them, then who knows... the jury didnt go for it though | |
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| John Leslie on 18:50 - Oct 19 with 803 views | pikeypaul |
So was the women making the false allegations named after the jury found she was lying?
Or was it open knowledge who she was?
Not followed the case at all and can’t be bothered to look at it now he’s been found not guilty.
No winners apart from the lawyers in these cases.
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| John Leslie on 18:58 - Oct 19 with 797 views | onehunglow |
Dont start me off on lawyers bless em.
Apparently, not that well paid really. | |
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| John Leslie on 19:01 - Oct 19 with 793 views | britferry |
time to google Abi Titmuss and re-view an old video or two | |
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| John Leslie on 19:35 - Oct 19 with 761 views | Boundy |
| John Leslie on 19:01 - Oct 19 by britferry |
time to google Abi Titmuss and re-view an old video or two |
There's two videos  | |
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| John Leslie on 19:39 - Oct 19 with 756 views | Kilkennyjack |
| John Leslie on 18:34 - Oct 19 by onehunglow |
Easy allegation to make.
12 yrs ago, no corroboration and several female co presenters queuing up to peak out in his favour.
His being found not guilty after just Tweny Three minute will upset some .
Ive no idea what he is like nor was I at the scene. Plenty others weren't too.
Wrongful allegations damage even if people found not guilty as people have prurient interests in matters that do not concern them directly.
And no...I am not "sticking up" for him before the usual comments flow. He was found not guilty but the shyte will stick.He is finished -at 55 yrs of age. |
Not an easy allegation to make.
You are sticking up for him when you have no idea.
I also have no idea, but i am not sticking up for him. |  |
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| John Leslie on 20:08 - Oct 19 with 737 views | britferry |
| John Leslie on 19:35 - Oct 19 by Boundy |
There's two videos |
I've seen 10 tonight, just doing it for invesigative reasons only, problem is I cant remember what she looks like, so not sure which ones she is in  | |
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| John Leslie on 20:16 - Oct 19 with 730 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| John Leslie on 18:50 - Oct 19 by pikeypaul |
So was the women making the false allegations named after the jury found she was lying?
Or was it open knowledge who she was?
Not followed the case at all and can’t be bothered to look at it now he’s been found not guilty.
No winners apart from the lawyers in these cases.
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Was she proved to be lying? |  |
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| John Leslie on 20:24 - Oct 19 with 723 views | onehunglow |
Well,the jury thought very quickly her allegation was unfounded.
Fact.
It s not a matter of sticking up for anyone Killy and it is very easy to make an allegation;trist me on that.
Once an allegation is made,shyte sticks.
Fact | |
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| John Leslie on 20:34 - Oct 19 with 715 views | Jack11 |
I’m surprised at the lack of solidarity here to be honest. Here’s a fella who’s life has basically been destroyed and he’s never been found guilty of anything! Paraphrasing but no stain on his character for a second time were the remarks from the judge. Blokes should start a me too campaign. For having their lives and reputations wrecked for no reason. | | | |
| John Leslie on 20:42 - Oct 19 with 702 views | pencoedjack |
| John Leslie on 20:08 - Oct 19 by britferry |
I've seen 10 tonight, just doing it for invesigative reasons only, problem is I cant remember what she looks like, so not sure which ones she is in |
The one with the black lady is worth an investigation 👠|  | | |
| John Leslie on 20:43 - Oct 19 with 700 views | onehunglow |
Its par for the course 11. Its rather sad. Some want tp be seen as virulent anti homophobes,anti racist and of course anti paedo which always impresses .When anyone ,like me,expresses concern about historic allegations without any corroboration then there is outrage and it is all utterly disingenuous as if anyone on here was falsely accused,they would be pining for support.
It will be interesting to see how the forthcoming case against the Swansea pastor pans out. If he is found not guilty ,then will he fully exonerated or will there still be a question mark over him. If he found guilty ,his life long friends will cast him into the wilderness . | |
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| John Leslie on 20:45 - Oct 19 with 700 views | Joe_bradshaw |
If she was clearly lying she should be charged with wasting police time, false allegations and perjury if she testified.
It's not that simple though.
I was on a jury where we were unanimous that the defendant probably did it but we were also unanimous that the prosecution had failed to make their case beyond reasonable doubt. The verdict was therefore not guilty.
It may well be the case that a charge against her could not be proved beyond reasonable doubt so it cannot be proved that she was lying any more than it cannot be proved that he was guilty. | |
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| John Leslie on 20:46 - Oct 19 with 694 views | onehunglow |
Fair point Joe.
Therefore we dont know .
As soon as lawyers get hold on things ,lies spout forth | |
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| John Leslie on 08:39 - Oct 20 with 577 views | Dr_Winston |
A 23 minute acquittal suggests that there wasn't much of a case at all and questions will be being asked at the CPS. |  |
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| John Leslie on 09:15 - Oct 20 with 558 views | Catullus |
Devils Advocate. If a woman accuses a man it's usually taken seriously, if a man accuses a woman it's usually laughed off.
It's not ok to say a woman was asking for it but it seems to be that a man should enjoy the attention.
Are these things true? | |
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| John Leslie on 10:09 - Oct 20 with 535 views | onehunglow |
Morning.
Some excellent observations .
It is not sticking up for anyone to question why anyone is charged with evidence so apparently weak whereas some cases with far more are dropped as they are not in the public interest or not likely to be found guilty.
This case spectacularly failed and CPS will be facing some questions and rightly so.
Ive personally seen cases dropped that were surely bang to rights .
As with most things in the legal system there is obfuscation a plenty and the legal leeches love it. | |
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| John Leslie on 11:51 - Oct 20 with 506 views | controversial_jack |
| John Leslie on 10:09 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
Morning.
Some excellent observations .
It is not sticking up for anyone to question why anyone is charged with evidence so apparently weak whereas some cases with far more are dropped as they are not in the public interest or not likely to be found guilty.
This case spectacularly failed and CPS will be facing some questions and rightly so.
Ive personally seen cases dropped that were surely bang to rights .
As with most things in the legal system there is obfuscation a plenty and the legal leeches love it. |
We have an adversarial legal system, where it's a completion by both sides to see who wins. It has nothing to do with the truth or what really happened. | | | |
| John Leslie on 14:16 - Oct 20 with 466 views | onehunglow |
Contro.I actually think you have plagiarised one of my previou post as that is exactly what is all about. The truth is but a sideshow for arcane procudure and laws that the general public is clueles about.This is where barristers win ;this is why I have such contempt for them.
I have seen a poster previous purporting to be a Criminal Barrister somehow making out jutice is pre eminent.Absolute bollox a barrister ,being self employed rely on work coming into their Chambers managed by their Clerk. The clerk is a vital part of his office and controls basically what work he undertakes .The briefs have to be both lucrative and of some profile as winning the case will lead to more work.
Professional criminal are not mugs and will be looking for the best barriter to get them off. The Barrister,if he does get him off, will see the work come flooding in.
Losing a case means loss of revenue as no villain wants a barrister that i not seen as "good". To be good,anything at all goes that can be gotten away with in Court.They push the boundaries every day.
Justice is not even a part of the scenerio. | |
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| John Leslie on 14:34 - Oct 20 with 460 views | pikeypaul |
| John Leslie on 20:16 - Oct 19 by Joe_bradshaw |
Was she proved to be lying? |
Well the jury thought so, so yes, just like if the same people thought he was guilty JL would have been a liar in their eyes.
The bottom line is he’s innocent and the jury thought the charges were fabricated by the complainant and her legal team.
And like JL
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| John Leslie on 14:41 - Oct 20 with 456 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| John Leslie on 14:34 - Oct 20 by pikeypaul |
Well the jury thought so, so yes, just like if the same people thought he was guilty JL would have been a liar in their eyes.
The bottom line is he’s innocent and the jury thought the charges were fabricated by the complainant and her legal team.
And like JL
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She didn't have a legal team. The charges were brought by the Crown Prosecution Service.
A not guilty verdict doesn't prove that she was lying at all, you clearly have very little grasp of how the system works. The jury decided that the CPS (on whom the burden of proof lies) failed to make their case beyond reasonable doubt. If she was somehow proved to be lying then she will be rightly charged with an offence. Don't hold your breath. | |
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| John Leslie on 14:50 - Oct 20 with 441 views | onehunglow |
Not quite right Joe.
Consider this.
Johnny Rebel is locked up for armed robbery. His solicitor ,of course ,instructs him to no comment all the way through.
A barrister is instructed and given his brief and sees his client. By now,he will have access to all the evidence and disclosure so they can sit back and PLAN a defence ,starting with jury selection and objections.
ALL criminals lie by second nature and this occurs in court. They wouldnt know the truth if it popped up in their pants.
They are found guilty but not prosecuting for perjury and the barrister flies by on the seat of his pants.
They try it on and see how it goes. Even guilty a feck criminals will say nothing and try their hand in Court as they have a good chance of getting away with it.
Reasonable doubt is a phrase that clouds and confuses all but those who pass the laws in the first place-politicians who are or have been barristers.
Check out how many politicians are barristers or solicitors. Lying is second nature to them .Filth . | |
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| John Leslie on 15:09 - Oct 20 with 435 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| John Leslie on 14:50 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
Not quite right Joe.
Consider this.
Johnny Rebel is locked up for armed robbery. His solicitor ,of course ,instructs him to no comment all the way through.
A barrister is instructed and given his brief and sees his client. By now,he will have access to all the evidence and disclosure so they can sit back and PLAN a defence ,starting with jury selection and objections.
ALL criminals lie by second nature and this occurs in court. They wouldnt know the truth if it popped up in their pants.
They are found guilty but not prosecuting for perjury and the barrister flies by on the seat of his pants.
They try it on and see how it goes. Even guilty a feck criminals will say nothing and try their hand in Court as they have a good chance of getting away with it.
Reasonable doubt is a phrase that clouds and confuses all but those who pass the laws in the first place-politicians who are or have been barristers.
Check out how many politicians are barristers or solicitors. Lying is second nature to them .Filth . |
What system would you employ?
We have an assumption of innocence until proven guilty which puts the burden of proof on the prosecution. The prosecution QCs are lawyers as well so are they lying when they put the case for the crown?
Of course, the burden of proof on the prosecution tilts the odds in favour of the defence and therefore the CPS only (in theory) brings cases to court that it thinks it has a decent chance of winning. The system is based on the theory that it is better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail. In practice loads of guilty men never go to court because the evidence isn't sufficient to prosecute the case. The quick decision by the jury in this case suggests that the CPS were struggling to make a case but that doesn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that the complainant was lying.
If it did you could reasonably assume that for every not guilty verdict any policemen giving evidence for the case for the prosecution were lying which clearly isn't true. | |
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