| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? 12:29 - Dec 4 with 2492 views | trampie |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 12:37 - Dec 4 with 1467 views | trampie |
These figures suggest Scotland won't vote Tory, Wales won't vote Tory but England will, yet when you ask English people about particular policies they are nearly as left wing as the Welsh and Scottish yet they will vote for a party who's policies they don't believe in, the English are a strange breed there is no rhyme or reason to them, if they can't see it, then it's best they are left to their own strange devices. [Post edited 4 Dec 2020 12:39]
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 12:44 - Dec 4 with 1457 views | trampie |
That projection would be a hung Parliament with Labour and SNP the only possible coalition but at UK level (different to Scotland or Wales) that would be difficult as one is a unionist party and one isn't, SNP would demand an independence referendum and this time there would be a really good chance it would be the end of the UK. [Post edited 4 Dec 2020 12:44]
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 13:55 - Dec 4 with 1406 views | Catullus |
Here inWales we keep voting Labour in no matter what.
It's nit just the English Tramps, people everywhere are strange. |  |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 14:16 - Dec 4 with 1394 views | trampie |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 13:55 - Dec 4 by Catullus |
Here inWales we keep voting Labour in no matter what.
It's nit just the English Tramps, people everywhere are strange. |
You need to read the article, the Welsh vote for policies they believe in, the English vote for policies they don't believe in. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 14:23 - Dec 4 with 1388 views | BarrySwan |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 14:16 - Dec 4 by trampie |
You need to read the article, the Welsh vote for policies they believe in, the English vote for policies they don't believe in. |
So in the last General election that took place less than one year ago
Conservative share of the vote in Wales 36.1%
Plaid nat vote 9.9%
So there we have it! The tories are far more popular in Wales than Plaid Cymru.
That's really got to hurt Trampie and co. The nats three and a half times more unpopular than even the hated tories. [Post edited 4 Dec 2020 14:25]
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 14:40 - Dec 4 with 1366 views | trampie |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 14:23 - Dec 4 by BarrySwan |
So in the last General election that took place less than one year ago
Conservative share of the vote in Wales 36.1%
Plaid nat vote 9.9%
So there we have it! The tories are far more popular in Wales than Plaid Cymru.
That's really got to hurt Trampie and co. The nats three and a half times more unpopular than even the hated tories. [Post edited 4 Dec 2020 14:25]
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Hurt, not at all, if you are healthy and have some wealth it's not going to hurt but it is not good for Wales as a whole if you have neither and lots in Wales have neither.
Conservatives having more total votes than Plaid is a normal state of affairs and particularly for the best part of the last 20 years coinciding with English white flight taking hold.
For a couple of back to back General Elections around the turn of the new century Plaid got 4 seats and the blue Tories 0 seats but that time has long gone now. [Post edited 4 Dec 2020 14:50]
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 17:37 - Dec 4 with 1308 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 14:23 - Dec 4 by BarrySwan |
So in the last General election that took place less than one year ago
Conservative share of the vote in Wales 36.1%
Plaid nat vote 9.9%
So there we have it! The tories are far more popular in Wales than Plaid Cymru.
That's really got to hurt Trampie and co. The nats three and a half times more unpopular than even the hated tories. [Post edited 4 Dec 2020 14:25]
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I am pleased that 64% of voters in Wales did not vote Tory.
The progressive majority in Wales is there for Plaid to aim at. |  |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 17:58 - Dec 4 with 1288 views | BarrySwan |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 17:37 - Dec 4 by Kilkennyjack |
I am pleased that 64% of voters in Wales did not vote Tory.
The progressive majority in Wales is there for Plaid to aim at. |
Highjacking the word progressive and repeating it over and over in some sort of bizarre self awarded accolade doesn't of course make the description appropriate or indeed accurate.
It also displays a demonstration of a complete and utter irony bypass as self awarded by those normally termed as left wing or socialist who are anything but progressive.
In Plaid Cymru's case of course they haven't managed to progress anything during 100 years of huffing and puffing.
You'd think that they'd wise up and pack it all in. | | | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 18:09 - Dec 4 with 1280 views | trampie |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 17:58 - Dec 4 by BarrySwan |
Highjacking the word progressive and repeating it over and over in some sort of bizarre self awarded accolade doesn't of course make the description appropriate or indeed accurate.
It also displays a demonstration of a complete and utter irony bypass as self awarded by those normally termed as left wing or socialist who are anything but progressive.
In Plaid Cymru's case of course they haven't managed to progress anything during 100 years of huffing and puffing.
You'd think that they'd wise up and pack it all in. |
Plaid were said to be the main reason for the Yes referendum vote to create the Senedd. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 18:50 - Dec 4 with 1259 views | Catullus |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 18:09 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Plaid were said to be the main reason for the Yes referendum vote to create the Senedd. |
Which is a very good reason to have a vote on keeping or abolishing. If Plaid are so unpopular now, how many actually would ditch the senedd? | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 19:05 - Dec 4 with 1251 views | trampie |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 18:50 - Dec 4 by Catullus |
Which is a very good reason to have a vote on keeping or abolishing. If Plaid are so unpopular now, how many actually would ditch the senedd? |
Plaid are not unpopular in the sense you speak of, our fptp system is all about who do you want to win.
Plaid weren't on the ballot paper, yes and no was on the ballot paper. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 19:27 - Dec 4 with 1234 views | Catullus |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 19:05 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Plaid are not unpopular in the sense you speak of, our fptp system is all about who do you want to win.
Plaid weren't on the ballot paper, yes and no was on the ballot paper. |
Umm, if Plaid were the main reason for a yes vote and their popularity has plummeted (which it has) it's a reason for ditching the Senedd.
In the sense I speak of them, if Plaid wer very popular they'd have had many more votes which, in any system, shows up on the results.
In 2017 PC got 4 seats so 10% of the seats with 10.4% of the vote, a drop of 1.7%. They are waning, few take them seriously and it's a bad day at Blackrock when the tories get nearly 4 times the votes in Wales than the party of Wales. The Tories got 14 seats, | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 19:34 - Dec 4 with 1229 views | trampie |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 19:27 - Dec 4 by Catullus |
Umm, if Plaid were the main reason for a yes vote and their popularity has plummeted (which it has) it's a reason for ditching the Senedd.
In the sense I speak of them, if Plaid wer very popular they'd have had many more votes which, in any system, shows up on the results.
In 2017 PC got 4 seats so 10% of the seats with 10.4% of the vote, a drop of 1.7%. They are waning, few take them seriously and it's a bad day at Blackrock when the tories get nearly 4 times the votes in Wales than the party of Wales. The Tories got 14 seats, |
They were the main reason because they were said to have campaigned harder and longer and with more commitment than any other party for a Yes vote but they were not campaigning for themselves, Plaid was not on the ballot. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 19:44 - Dec 4 with 1221 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 17:58 - Dec 4 by BarrySwan |
Highjacking the word progressive and repeating it over and over in some sort of bizarre self awarded accolade doesn't of course make the description appropriate or indeed accurate.
It also displays a demonstration of a complete and utter irony bypass as self awarded by those normally termed as left wing or socialist who are anything but progressive.
In Plaid Cymru's case of course they haven't managed to progress anything during 100 years of huffing and puffing.
You'd think that they'd wise up and pack it all in. |
And labour are certainly not a progressive party still peddling their failed old politics of trying to bring everyone down to same level. They actually despise anyone who makes a success of themselves. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 19:51 - Dec 4 with 1212 views | Catullus |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 19:44 - Dec 4 by felixstowe_jack |
And labour are certainly not a progressive party still peddling their failed old politics of trying to bring everyone down to same level. They actually despise anyone who makes a success of themselves. |
Apart from the politicians themselves, obviously. They are allowed to get rich off the public purse. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:37 - Dec 4 with 1190 views | builthjack |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 14:23 - Dec 4 by BarrySwan |
So in the last General election that took place less than one year ago
Conservative share of the vote in Wales 36.1%
Plaid nat vote 9.9%
So there we have it! The tories are far more popular in Wales than Plaid Cymru.
That's really got to hurt Trampie and co. The nats three and a half times more unpopular than even the hated tories. [Post edited 4 Dec 2020 14:25]
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The biggest worry there is how Wales has 36% of people supporting that buffoon Johnson. Very very worrying. |  |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:41 - Dec 4 with 1182 views | Catullus |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:37 - Dec 4 by builthjack |
The biggest worry there is how Wales has 36% of people supporting that buffoon Johnson. Very very worrying. |
Doesn't that show you how bad the rest were/are...including Adam Price.
When Bojo is the best answer to anything, we are in a strange place. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:42 - Dec 4 with 1180 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:37 - Dec 4 by builthjack |
The biggest worry there is how Wales has 36% of people supporting that buffoon Johnson. Very very worrying. |
It is but the alternative was a certain Mr Corbyn which goes some way to explain it along with it being the Brexit general election. |  |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:49 - Dec 4 with 1170 views | trampie |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:41 - Dec 4 by Catullus |
Doesn't that show you how bad the rest were/are...including Adam Price.
When Bojo is the best answer to anything, we are in a strange place. |
Nearly a quarter of the population of Wales was born in England, it has been said many times that the Conservative party are seen as the national party of England so those results are not that surprising. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:59 - Dec 4 with 1156 views | Boundy |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:49 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Nearly a quarter of the population of Wales was born in England, it has been said many times that the Conservative party are seen as the national party of England so those results are not that surprising. |
Wouldn't it be ironic that the very thing that Drakeford encourages could be the thing that loses labour power , one can only hope. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 06:12 - Dec 5 with 1083 views | Highjack |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 12:37 - Dec 4 by trampie |
These figures suggest Scotland won't vote Tory, Wales won't vote Tory but England will, yet when you ask English people about particular policies they are nearly as left wing as the Welsh and Scottish yet they will vote for a party who's policies they don't believe in, the English are a strange breed there is no rhyme or reason to them, if they can't see it, then it's best they are left to their own strange devices. [Post edited 4 Dec 2020 12:39]
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Why do people still put any faith in polls? |  |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 08:32 - Dec 5 with 1052 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:37 - Dec 4 by builthjack |
The biggest worry there is how Wales has 36% of people supporting that buffoon Johnson. Very very worrying. |
The bigger worry is 40.9% of the Welsh voted for a terrorist loving, UK hating, professional fence sitting, anti semitic . | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 11:30 - Dec 5 with 1018 views | Catullus |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:49 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Nearly a quarter of the population of Wales was born in England, it has been said many times that the Conservative party are seen as the national party of England so those results are not that surprising. |
That's not true, about 27% of the Welsh population aren't born in Wales, that includes immigrants from all over the world. About one fifth are English (640,000) but as you are looking through it from your biased perspective, as if Wales was just for the Welsh it's always the same conclusions you draw.
In a UK wide vote all votes count and you have no way of knowing how the Welsh in other parts of the UK voted, you don't even know how the Welsh in Wales voted actually because it's a secret ballot.
Looking at it logically, the more well off younger people tended to vote remain and most of the English in Wales are relatively well off but only a quarter of the English in Wales are over 65. They sold their expensive houses and used the cash to move to even nicer (but much cheaper) houses in rural Wales for a better quality of life, cleaner air etc. Therefore, logically, many of our English immigrants could be remain voters. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 12:13 - Dec 5 with 1005 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 21:49 - Dec 4 by trampie |
Nearly a quarter of the population of Wales was born in England, it has been said many times that the Conservative party are seen as the national party of England so those results are not that surprising. |
My wife was born in England of Welsh parents near RAF Finningley where her father was stationed at the time. She’s as fiercely Welsh as anyone I know. Every person has a different story and generalising is futile.
We’re a multiracial society in Wales and hopefully we wouldn’t have it any other way. Immigrants are welcome from all corners of the world and that includes England. The whole mix makes up modern Welsh society and is the Welsh electorate. | |
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| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 12:15 - Dec 5 with 1001 views | trampie |
| The English are a strange breed, can anyone fathom them out ? on 11:30 - Dec 5 by Catullus |
That's not true, about 27% of the Welsh population aren't born in Wales, that includes immigrants from all over the world. About one fifth are English (640,000) but as you are looking through it from your biased perspective, as if Wales was just for the Welsh it's always the same conclusions you draw.
In a UK wide vote all votes count and you have no way of knowing how the Welsh in other parts of the UK voted, you don't even know how the Welsh in Wales voted actually because it's a secret ballot.
Looking at it logically, the more well off younger people tended to vote remain and most of the English in Wales are relatively well off but only a quarter of the English in Wales are over 65. They sold their expensive houses and used the cash to move to even nicer (but much cheaper) houses in rural Wales for a better quality of life, cleaner air etc. Therefore, logically, many of our English immigrants could be remain voters. |
My post was in response to Bojo having 36% of the vote in Wales, nothing to do with the Brexit vote.  | |
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