| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough 14:53 - Apr 12 with 2551 views | KeithHaynes |
Another one to add to the rumour mill, I would imagine he is two million plus though. |  |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 16:48 - Apr 12 with 1548 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
They sold Toney for £5m with a similar scoring record. Peterborough do not sell cheap normally. Swansea should have picked him up for Bristol Rovers for a song.
Assomablongo, Deidhou and Waghorn are tried and tested and free agents in a few months. Big wages of course.
Waghorn a bad season like many Derby players. Averages 13-14 goals a season in championship normally 31 years old. Probably would want £10k a week. £1.5 m over 3 seasons. [Post edited 12 Apr 2021 16:54]
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:06 - Apr 12 with 1529 views | Chief |
Another one for the scum to bleat about when they 'beat' us to the signing then. |  |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:15 - Apr 12 with 1514 views | sP7qupUf |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:06 - Apr 12 by Chief |
Another one for the scum to bleat about when they 'beat' us to the signing then. |
A la Watters. That's gone well hasn't it? |  | | |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:16 - Apr 12 with 1513 views | Chief |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:15 - Apr 12 by sP7qupUf |
A la Watters. That's gone well hasn't it? |
Wilson too | |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:52 - Apr 12 with 1478 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:06 - Apr 12 by Chief |
Another one for the scum to bleat about when they 'beat' us to the signing then. |
I think they are in bigger trouble financially than us.
This Sala case is make or break. |  | | |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 18:48 - Apr 12 with 1449 views | Chief |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:52 - Apr 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
I think they are in bigger trouble financially than us.
This Sala case is make or break. |
Well they should be. But they seem to act normally (well not normally actually, more recklessly) even though they've got 4 odd court cases on the horizon. While also begging for loans off the league. | |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 19:58 - Apr 12 with 1394 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:52 - Apr 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
I think they are in bigger trouble financially than us.
This Sala case is make or break. |
They have a billionaire owner who is currently building a spanking new academy. The best south Wales kid Colwill is from Neath and chose Cardiff ot Swasnea. The Sala case is a horrible mess which over a few years will work out some financial compromise including insurance giants I suspect.
There is a very big tank sitting on Swansea's lawn and Swansea fans are going to court to cost the other owners a lot of money if they are sucessfull ptting the club at further dsadvantage. | |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 20:03 - Apr 12 with 1392 views | Chief |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 19:58 - Apr 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They have a billionaire owner who is currently building a spanking new academy. The best south Wales kid Colwill is from Neath and chose Cardiff ot Swasnea. The Sala case is a horrible mess which over a few years will work out some financial compromise including insurance giants I suspect.
There is a very big tank sitting on Swansea's lawn and Swansea fans are going to court to cost the other owners a lot of money if they are sucessfull ptting the club at further dsadvantage. |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 21:16 - Apr 12 with 1332 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 19:58 - Apr 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They have a billionaire owner who is currently building a spanking new academy. The best south Wales kid Colwill is from Neath and chose Cardiff ot Swasnea. The Sala case is a horrible mess which over a few years will work out some financial compromise including insurance giants I suspect.
There is a very big tank sitting on Swansea's lawn and Swansea fans are going to court to cost the other owners a lot of money if they are sucessfull ptting the club at further dsadvantage. |
Colwill was eight, and according to a few posters on AA’s board comes from a Cardiff supporting family.
Their chairman Dalman has said himself it could be catastrophic if a few court cases go against them, along with Covid where Tan’s tourism businesses have taken major hits.
Currently under an embargo for delaying posting accounts aswell. It’s not rosey. | | | |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 21:51 - Apr 12 with 1307 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 21:16 - Apr 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Colwill was eight, and according to a few posters on AA’s board comes from a Cardiff supporting family.
Their chairman Dalman has said himself it could be catastrophic if a few court cases go against them, along with Covid where Tan’s tourism businesses have taken major hits.
Currently under an embargo for delaying posting accounts aswell. It’s not rosey. |
It must be bad. Cardiff Tom tit hasn’t been here for ages. When he does come back can someone post a nice bucket picture for him |  |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 21:56 - Apr 12 with 1305 views | jasper_T |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 21:16 - Apr 12 by 34dfgdf54 |
Colwill was eight, and according to a few posters on AA’s board comes from a Cardiff supporting family.
Their chairman Dalman has said himself it could be catastrophic if a few court cases go against them, along with Covid where Tan’s tourism businesses have taken major hits.
Currently under an embargo for delaying posting accounts aswell. It’s not rosey. |
The accounts embargo seems more like the EFL messing clubs about than anything legitimately dodgy. | | | |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 22:17 - Apr 12 with 1284 views | max936 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 17:06 - Apr 12 by Chief |
Another one for the scum to bleat about when they 'beat' us to the signing then. |
Hope not, he's quality that boy. |  |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 22:44 - Apr 12 with 1266 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 22:17 - Apr 12 by max936 |
Hope not, he's quality that boy. |
J C-H has been around the lower leagues for 10 years and played for 8 differnce club s and two twice.
Why does Swansea have a scouting team to go after expensive semi finished products? Did they not see any potential at any of those clubs.?
Swansea should be outbidding Peterbrough for Clarke -Harris and Toney before him not outbidding Cardiff later down the food chain. | |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 10:31 - Apr 13 with 1178 views | NotLoyal |
Swansea youth sides have put out teams full of Cardiff kids for years. No issue. |  |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 10:53 - Apr 13 with 1168 views | Whiterockin |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 19:58 - Apr 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They have a billionaire owner who is currently building a spanking new academy. The best south Wales kid Colwill is from Neath and chose Cardiff ot Swasnea. The Sala case is a horrible mess which over a few years will work out some financial compromise including insurance giants I suspect.
There is a very big tank sitting on Swansea's lawn and Swansea fans are going to court to cost the other owners a lot of money if they are sucessfull ptting the club at further dsadvantage. |
Why do you try and derail every thread with a dig at the supporters trust. You are a very bitter man. Stick to the topic and people will respect your opinions more. |  | | |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 12:48 - Apr 13 with 1123 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 10:53 - Apr 13 by Whiterockin |
Why do you try and derail every thread with a dig at the supporters trust. You are a very bitter man. Stick to the topic and people will respect your opinions more. |
My opinions will be proven correct in the fullness of time. I do not care whether my views are respected or not. I will be on here unless banned to remind you of my words down the stretch. Going to court is a real serious matter. Bitterness not logic is driving their case.
Swansea fans are complacent commenting on trouble at other clubs while not facing upto their own self harm issues.
£15m for Sala out of the owners pocket? Losing a legal case could push them over the edge right?
What about £21m + out of the owners pocket for Swansea s own court case car crash? No bother at all? . Will have no effect on the team?. No jobs will be lost? The Yanks are loaded.
Can you handle the comparision?
PS Respect to Sala. Loss of life much more impotant than above. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 12:50]
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 12:52 - Apr 13 with 1117 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 10:31 - Apr 13 by NotLoyal |
Swansea youth sides have put out teams full of Cardiff kids for years. No issue. |
Iam making the point that Cardiff are seriously upping their game. That supply is under threat. | |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 12:56 - Apr 13 with 1113 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 12:52 - Apr 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Iam making the point that Cardiff are seriously upping their game. That supply is under threat. |
Yeah can't argue with that. They have taken most of the kids from down my area since category 1 fell through. I think they pretty much took all of the lads from our Torfaen Centre. | | | |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 13:55 - Apr 13 with 1069 views | Chief |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 12:48 - Apr 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
My opinions will be proven correct in the fullness of time. I do not care whether my views are respected or not. I will be on here unless banned to remind you of my words down the stretch. Going to court is a real serious matter. Bitterness not logic is driving their case.
Swansea fans are complacent commenting on trouble at other clubs while not facing upto their own self harm issues.
£15m for Sala out of the owners pocket? Losing a legal case could push them over the edge right?
What about £21m + out of the owners pocket for Swansea s own court case car crash? No bother at all? . Will have no effect on the team?. No jobs will be lost? The Yanks are loaded.
Can you handle the comparision?
PS Respect to Sala. Loss of life much more impotant than above. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 12:50]
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 14:15 - Apr 13 with 1057 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 13:55 - Apr 13 by Chief |
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Never mind that Chief.
What do you think of the comparision of financial aspects of the Sala legal case and the Trust legal case. We are not too clear to whom the £21m bill will got to exactly (in the uilkely event of a trust win in court) but I supect they will not have too much time to raise the money. A few month perhaps ? A rapid return of the CLN might be on the agenda perhaps? That will be half the bill.
If the Trust removing £21m + from the club owners is no problem from the club then surely by the same logic removing £15m form Cardiff city is no bother either? | |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 14:40 - Apr 13 with 1044 views | Chief |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 14:15 - Apr 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Never mind that Chief.
What do you think of the comparision of financial aspects of the Sala legal case and the Trust legal case. We are not too clear to whom the £21m bill will got to exactly (in the uilkely event of a trust win in court) but I supect they will not have too much time to raise the money. A few month perhaps ? A rapid return of the CLN might be on the agenda perhaps? That will be half the bill.
If the Trust removing £21m + from the club owners is no problem from the club then surely by the same logic removing £15m form Cardiff city is no bother either? |
The bill (should the court order a purchase of the trust's shares) will be sent to the defendants who will need to pay that from their own funds. Not sure why you think that's unclear.
Silverstein who provided half that loan is not defendant in this case anyway. But if the owners wish to take back their money and not charge the club a high interest for it, that is fine by me. Not sure how much business sense that would make if the club is really are dependent on the loan. These savvy businessmen wouldn't want activately handicap their own investment holding now would they!?
Seems rather counterintuitive.
I know you like to literally throw everything at the trust and the case and hope it sticks but this one really is tenuous. Really struggling to see how a comparison could be drawn between the two circumstances.
Cardiff City football club have an outstanding debt (according to UEFA's ruling, albeit being appealed) that they owe to another football club. If they get into financial trouble as a result, that's their problem.
The only common ground is that both eminated from the breaking of a contract. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 14:46]
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 15:07 - Apr 13 with 1021 views | KeithHaynes |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 19:58 - Apr 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They have a billionaire owner who is currently building a spanking new academy. The best south Wales kid Colwill is from Neath and chose Cardiff ot Swasnea. The Sala case is a horrible mess which over a few years will work out some financial compromise including insurance giants I suspect.
There is a very big tank sitting on Swansea's lawn and Swansea fans are going to court to cost the other owners a lot of money if they are sucessfull ptting the club at further dsadvantage. |
We have always had this quite negative view regards our ways of recruiting players. Even when we had players from across the country at Torfaen and other venues there was negativity. Cardiff fans were moaning a few years back that we had all the talent, now it’s our turn. Their new academy, venture whatever has produced nothing, the kids that did go to Cardiff from Torfaen were not good enough according those I know at Swansea. And, getting to Cardiff for parents is easier than swansea. I even recall an article in wales on line bemoaning Cardiff city’s lack of success with their youth group of 2015. Swansea youth sides were predominantly made up of kids from east wales.
Whatever it is now, it is what it is. But the pattern of constant moaning from both sets of fans that the other gets all the best players just seems never to go away. | |
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 15:56 - Apr 13 with 994 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 14:40 - Apr 13 by Chief |
The bill (should the court order a purchase of the trust's shares) will be sent to the defendants who will need to pay that from their own funds. Not sure why you think that's unclear.
Silverstein who provided half that loan is not defendant in this case anyway. But if the owners wish to take back their money and not charge the club a high interest for it, that is fine by me. Not sure how much business sense that would make if the club is really are dependent on the loan. These savvy businessmen wouldn't want activately handicap their own investment holding now would they!?
Seems rather counterintuitive.
I know you like to literally throw everything at the trust and the case and hope it sticks but this one really is tenuous. Really struggling to see how a comparison could be drawn between the two circumstances.
Cardiff City football club have an outstanding debt (according to UEFA's ruling, albeit being appealed) that they owe to another football club. If they get into financial trouble as a result, that's their problem.
The only common ground is that both eminated from the breaking of a contract. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 14:46]
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The Cardiff bill will have to be paid by Mr Tan. £15m is a lot of money and the club do not have that cash lying around.
I do not know exactly where the Swansea Trust bill of £21m+ will go. The US owners must be invloved somewhere as they were the ones primarily asked to attend mediation which the Trust declined to attend. Perhaps it will be down to the court based on the liklhood of recovering funds given the international spread of sellers.?
Some of the detendants are owners therefore like Cardiff the owners of the club will have to pay. The two situations are comparable. If the Sala bill will hurt Cardiff the Trust bill will hurt Swansea.
You keep talking about savvy business men but I am not aware of anywhere else where a fans group has sued its own club's owners. Its unusual to say the least.
They may in all reality have little choice but to demand the return of their loan. It would be estimated at £5m. It will be Winter's problem to solve. A forced player sale is most likely at a discounted price with a few worker redundancies to follow perhaps? As you rightly point out that will no longer be the Trust s concern.
If the problem is considered one that has been created by the fans the owners would surely lump on a significant season ticket increase on the older fanbase while giving small discounts to younger fans.
The Trust made an offer to take on 4% of the sold shares as a good will gesture as part of the deal and the offer was considered and rejected. They did not match the US people's offer. This was months before the sale. Not sure what contract has been broken there. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 16:05]
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 16:19 - Apr 13 with 976 views | Chief |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 15:56 - Apr 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Cardiff bill will have to be paid by Mr Tan. £15m is a lot of money and the club do not have that cash lying around.
I do not know exactly where the Swansea Trust bill of £21m+ will go. The US owners must be invloved somewhere as they were the ones primarily asked to attend mediation which the Trust declined to attend. Perhaps it will be down to the court based on the liklhood of recovering funds given the international spread of sellers.?
Some of the detendants are owners therefore like Cardiff the owners of the club will have to pay. The two situations are comparable. If the Sala bill will hurt Cardiff the Trust bill will hurt Swansea.
You keep talking about savvy business men but I am not aware of anywhere else where a fans group has sued its own club's owners. Its unusual to say the least.
They may in all reality have little choice but to demand the return of their loan. It would be estimated at £5m. It will be Winter's problem to solve. A forced player sale is most likely at a discounted price with a few worker redundancies to follow perhaps? As you rightly point out that will no longer be the Trust s concern.
If the problem is considered one that has been created by the fans the owners would surely lump on a significant season ticket increase on the older fanbase while giving small discounts to younger fans.
The Trust made an offer to take on 4% of the sold shares as a good will gesture as part of the deal and the offer was considered and rejected. They did not match the US people's offer. This was months before the sale. Not sure what contract has been broken there. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 16:05]
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Is there really need to go through all this yet again and for you to basically lie yet again?
- Yea well that's up to them but if their owner is paying their transfer fees they'll fall foul of FFP rules at some point.
- The Kaplan and Levein were the ones who didn't turn up for mediation. Not sure what's so difficult for you to understand about that. It's been pointed out to you several times. It's an indisputable fact.
- who knows what type of payment will be set up if it comes to that. But payment can only derive from the defendants.
- You're deliberately conflating the key difference. Nantes are taking action against Cardiff City football club. The Supporters trust is taking action against individuals (some of which do own shares in Swansea City football Club).
- There hasn't been many instances of shareholders in football clubs breaking contracts / agreements while buying clubs. Of course these 'savvy businessmen' should have carried out their due diligence that could have prevented this from happening. I am however sure there are examples of shareholders taking action against other shareholders. Of course this wouldn't be the first time the SCST has been a pioneering force.
- Well the Americans should have budgeted for this eventuality, you've tried to point out often enough that they negotiated with the trust&this action has been in the pipeline for sometime. Its hardly a surprise. Or are you now saying these savvy businessmen do not now have the resources? I'm pretty sure players will be sold anyway. If they choose to cut even more, that will result in them being even further away from regaining their initial outlay,let alone any profit.
- Or will the Americans (who claim they were not informed of any shareholders agreement) then take action against the sellouts!? Technically they sold them shares under false pretences.
- Increasing ticket prices would again be counterintuitive, it would just result in a drop in club revenue. Unless these savvy businessmen put spite over business sense?
- Again, you do not seem to be a particularly unintelligent person - you do understand things when you want to. Do you honestly believe that the trust approaching the sellouts to buy shares (a rejected request) means that that somehow invalidates the shareholders agreement? Its meant to be the selling entity approaching other shareholders, not the opposite!! But you know this. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 16:31]
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| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 18:03 - Apr 13 with 921 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Jonson Clarke-Harris At Peterborough on 16:19 - Apr 13 by Chief |
Is there really need to go through all this yet again and for you to basically lie yet again?
- Yea well that's up to them but if their owner is paying their transfer fees they'll fall foul of FFP rules at some point.
- The Kaplan and Levein were the ones who didn't turn up for mediation. Not sure what's so difficult for you to understand about that. It's been pointed out to you several times. It's an indisputable fact.
- who knows what type of payment will be set up if it comes to that. But payment can only derive from the defendants.
- You're deliberately conflating the key difference. Nantes are taking action against Cardiff City football club. The Supporters trust is taking action against individuals (some of which do own shares in Swansea City football Club).
- There hasn't been many instances of shareholders in football clubs breaking contracts / agreements while buying clubs. Of course these 'savvy businessmen' should have carried out their due diligence that could have prevented this from happening. I am however sure there are examples of shareholders taking action against other shareholders. Of course this wouldn't be the first time the SCST has been a pioneering force.
- Well the Americans should have budgeted for this eventuality, you've tried to point out often enough that they negotiated with the trust&this action has been in the pipeline for sometime. Its hardly a surprise. Or are you now saying these savvy businessmen do not now have the resources? I'm pretty sure players will be sold anyway. If they choose to cut even more, that will result in them being even further away from regaining their initial outlay,let alone any profit.
- Or will the Americans (who claim they were not informed of any shareholders agreement) then take action against the sellouts!? Technically they sold them shares under false pretences.
- Increasing ticket prices would again be counterintuitive, it would just result in a drop in club revenue. Unless these savvy businessmen put spite over business sense?
- Again, you do not seem to be a particularly unintelligent person - you do understand things when you want to. Do you honestly believe that the trust approaching the sellouts to buy shares (a rejected request) means that that somehow invalidates the shareholders agreement? Its meant to be the selling entity approaching other shareholders, not the opposite!! But you know this. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 16:31]
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Kaplan and levien sent their representatives to meet the Trust and the Trust did not show up. Kaplan and Levien did not tell the Trust who should represent the Trust. It was not their business to do so. They may well had a proposal in the brief case.
You do not know (or care) presumably who will be invoiced with a hefty bill. I do care. I do not want it to affect the team.
Both the Sala and Trust legal cases will involve legal hearings and could result in substantial payments to outside bodies in short timescales. There are similarities here. In both cases club owners not clubs themselves will be required to pay the bill. The Cardiff chairman has talked of a 'catastrophic' result. I am suggesting a similar result for Swansea with an even greater debt and level of complication if there is a Trust 100% win in court. This in my opinion is not unreasonable. It s hard to see how a court case is to the long term benefit of he club.
The US people are looking to make the club sustainable. All income must come from TV, commerical activites, selling players and gate reciepts. Another option is cutting costs.
It is not counterintuitive to incorpoate unexpected legal costs in this budgeting. Selling players, incresaing gate reciepts and laying off staff is a legitimate option. Again it will be of no concern to the Trust.
The Trust made a first offer to take shares in their pre sale meetings for £0. This was proposed as part of the overall deal. The Trust were invited to the meeting to make their case. This invitation would appear to satisfy the requirments of the agreement as you have outlined it from what i can see.
Please accept my arguments as a "devil's advocate" exercise and please do not use discriminatory language. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 18:23]
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