| Second Homes in Wales 21:58 - Sep 18 with 3220 views | onehunglow |
Dim Myr dai Haf
Come on.
Been in Nefyn this week.Things are very tasty down there and not in a good way.
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| Second Homes in Wales on 23:21 - Sep 18 with 1478 views | Boundy |
IMO an extremely sad situation and one which continues unabated. What exactly controls the market,the sellers or the buyers .Gazumping is not the acceptable face which doesn't help and an aging Welsh population opens up opportunities to outside purchasers . | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 23:32 - Sep 18 with 1474 views | felixstowe_jack |
Usually waffle from the senedd spokesman. Why don't they provide social housing in the village and make sure they only rent them to locals. Labour built just 57 council houses in Wales in 2019. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 23:54 - Sep 18 with 1459 views | Kilkennyjack |
Tax the socks off second homes.
Invest the Money raised in the local community.
Cornwall has the very same issue.
Using these beautiful homes for just 4 weeks a year, kills the local community in every respect.
The new Senedd pact with Plaid and Welsh Labour should sort this. |  |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 00:05 - Sep 19 with 1453 views | max936 |
| Second Homes in Wales on 23:54 - Sep 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Tax the socks off second homes.
Invest the Money raised in the local community.
Cornwall has the very same issue.
Using these beautiful homes for just 4 weeks a year, kills the local community in every respect.
The new Senedd pact with Plaid and Welsh Labour should sort this. |
Spot on Killy. |  |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 00:06 - Sep 19 with 1452 views | max936 |
| Second Homes in Wales on 23:32 - Sep 18 by felixstowe_jack |
Usually waffle from the senedd spokesman. Why don't they provide social housing in the village and make sure they only rent them to locals. Labour built just 57 council houses in Wales in 2019. |
Labour, Labour, Labour did this/should have done this, is always your stuttering defence of the tories, whenever they get questioned. it's laughable, Waffle indeed. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 01:00 - Sep 19 with 1433 views | Gwyn737 |
| Second Homes in Wales on 23:54 - Sep 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Tax the socks off second homes.
Invest the Money raised in the local community.
Cornwall has the very same issue.
Using these beautiful homes for just 4 weeks a year, kills the local community in every respect.
The new Senedd pact with Plaid and Welsh Labour should sort this. |
I lived in Swansea for the first 23 years of my life.
I’m moved away over the bridge for the next 20 years as the opportunities afforded to me have been considerably better.
My modest semi detached house in the south east would if sold buy me a big place in Swansea.
Should I stay where I am? If so, why? | | | |
| Second Homes in Wales on 05:01 - Sep 19 with 1412 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Second Homes in Wales on 01:00 - Sep 19 by Gwyn737 |
I lived in Swansea for the first 23 years of my life.
I’m moved away over the bridge for the next 20 years as the opportunities afforded to me have been considerably better.
My modest semi detached house in the south east would if sold buy me a big place in Swansea.
Should I stay where I am? If so, why? |
Do whatever you like.
This is about second homes that are empty 11 months of the year.
Lots of them in some rural/town areas.
Devastating impact on local life.
Ghost towns/villages.
Nothing wrong with anyone moving anywhere if they contribute to their new community in some positive way. Even if its just using the local butchers, local bank, local schools, local builders etc …. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 07:57 - Sep 19 with 1379 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Second Homes in Wales on 23:54 - Sep 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Tax the socks off second homes.
Invest the Money raised in the local community.
Cornwall has the very same issue.
Using these beautiful homes for just 4 weeks a year, kills the local community in every respect.
The new Senedd pact with Plaid and Welsh Labour should sort this. |
Will also kill off Wales biggest industry and biggest employer the tourist industry. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 09:02 - Sep 19 with 1366 views | britferry |
| Second Homes in Wales on 05:01 - Sep 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Do whatever you like.
This is about second homes that are empty 11 months of the year.
Lots of them in some rural/town areas.
Devastating impact on local life.
Ghost towns/villages.
Nothing wrong with anyone moving anywhere if they contribute to their new community in some positive way. Even if its just using the local butchers, local bank, local schools, local builders etc …. |
they are busier than what you make out but the problem is, there is no continuity in the villages. Week in, week out, there will be different faces walking around, and for the fallow winter months, the places will be desolate.
But the people who own these houses don't give a damn. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 09:14 - Sep 19 with 1353 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Second Homes in Wales on 07:57 - Sep 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Will also kill off Wales biggest industry and biggest employer the tourist industry. |
Visitors spent an estimated 6.3 Billion in 2018, so holiday lets need a bit of thought. [Post edited 19 Sep 2021 9:15]
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| Second Homes in Wales on 09:39 - Sep 19 with 1336 views | onehunglow |
Morning
Just spend a week on Penn Llyn where this is THE biggest issue.
We walked much and saw the most isolated cottages imaginable .No gas,no net,nothing but isolated spare farm on a treeless landscape.Both beautiful and sad.No place to live permanently in 2021 for locals in all honesty as there are no jobs there outside farming AND TOURISM.
Without tourism ,there would be no jobs at all to speak of .Fact.
It is tourists who purchase food ,drink,fuel, etc in bulk and keep any pubs and restaurants open.
Schools are sparse and to get a degree means travel,often to England where they stay as that is where the jobs are .JOBS.
Llyn has natural beauty and no industry whatsoever. It was often the case local lads went to Liverpool to learn Maritime qualifications and join their ship. Girls went to work in the mansions of Liverpool and Wirral ,where they often eventually married .Depopulation is nothing new.
What is the point of a local buying an isolated cottage if he has no job nor any hope of one.
The language is safe as no local speaks to tourists from England unless they are taking money from them. If you speak south Welsh you are still seen as an outsider. It is all about the right to live locally -as they say. Problem is what can they live on.
Taxing aint the answer as people will simply pay it. Ostracising them wont either.
Ive always found rural areas nice to visit but a hell hole to live in but that is just me and wifey.Solitude,isolation lead to loneliness.If you were to need Cancer treatment you face bigger issues as is the case if you need specialist Brain /Heart problems.
Thanks the replies given. There s no easy answer to this althogh wifey suggested banning of second homes unless the purchaser has lived there 5 years .It's an idea.
As for city life,there are other issues we face.
Neither is perfect. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 13:08 - Sep 19 with 1279 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Second Homes in Wales on 07:57 - Sep 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Will also kill off Wales biggest industry and biggest employer the tourist industry. |
Wales is not a theme park.
We need a modern sustainable tourist model.
Nobody will visit empty towns in 10 years, so the current model kills itself.
Doing nothing is not a valid option. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 15:17 - Sep 19 with 1241 views | onehunglow |
Here is a scenario that is as thing are right now.
Isolated cottage become vacant and then derellic on the death of elderly owner who worked on farm and her husband worked in slate industry.
No gas,internet ,public transport and doctors,dentists far away as is the hospital. No schools either not even a chapel as no worshippers left.
What to do?
An English couple want to buy as a retreat and willing to renovate and to use local builder and purchase materials locally.Leave it empty to rot away ?
There is no reason for young people to buy these homes as it is utter isolation and not many want this.
The world has changed. All the old industries have gone and in England too. We either see them be lived in or derelict.
It is all about jobs and all jobs are now less labour intensive.
Sadly,this is and was inevitable . | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 16:21 - Sep 19 with 1199 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Second Homes in Wales on 00:06 - Sep 19 by max936 |
Labour, Labour, Labour did this/should have done this, is always your stuttering defence of the tories, whenever they get questioned. it's laughable, Waffle indeed. |
Well labour are in charge in Wales and have been for the last 20 years. Who else is responsible? | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 16:25 - Sep 19 with 1197 views | max936 |
| Second Homes in Wales on 15:17 - Sep 19 by onehunglow |
Here is a scenario that is as thing are right now.
Isolated cottage become vacant and then derellic on the death of elderly owner who worked on farm and her husband worked in slate industry.
No gas,internet ,public transport and doctors,dentists far away as is the hospital. No schools either not even a chapel as no worshippers left.
What to do?
An English couple want to buy as a retreat and willing to renovate and to use local builder and purchase materials locally.Leave it empty to rot away ?
There is no reason for young people to buy these homes as it is utter isolation and not many want this.
The world has changed. All the old industries have gone and in England too. We either see them be lived in or derelict.
It is all about jobs and all jobs are now less labour intensive.
Sadly,this is and was inevitable . |
As much as I would like to disagree with your post Rich, I can't good post and a true one, unless any family member's wish to take the farm on etc or are themselves retired and would like to renovate and live there, unlikely though, I expect. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 16:30 - Sep 19 with 1195 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Second Homes in Wales on 13:08 - Sep 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Wales is not a theme park.
We need a modern sustainable tourist model.
Nobody will visit empty towns in 10 years, so the current model kills itself.
Doing nothing is not a valid option. |
You already have a modern tourist industry which makes up 9.9% of Welsh GDP. it also employs 130,000.
Are you really suggesting you and your fanatics close down Wales biggest industry? | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 16:37 - Sep 19 with 1190 views | max936 |
| Second Homes in Wales on 16:21 - Sep 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Well labour are in charge in Wales and have been for the last 20 years. Who else is responsible? |
The point is, your first thoughts are always to point at labour.
Rural areas have always been a moot point, don't think there is any single solution, people will understandably sell to the highest bidder and who wouldn't, 2nd homes have always split opinions, if local people are being priced out of properties, then the local government need to look long and hard at it.
I watched the series My Cornish Fishing Life that was aired a few months ago, very enjoyable series and a decent insight into their lives and it was mentioned by several fishermen that took part, that people from London etc, were buying up homes in the villages as 2nd homes and locals priced out of the market, so the issue isn't just in Wales. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 16:39 - Sep 19 with 1187 views | onehunglow |
| Second Homes in Wales on 16:25 - Sep 19 by max936 |
As much as I would like to disagree with your post Rich, I can't good post and a true one, unless any family member's wish to take the farm on etc or are themselves retired and would like to renovate and live there, unlikely though, I expect. |
Some of the small ex quarry men houes around Uwchymynydd are the most remote in Wales.Fall ill there and you'll die probably as the nearest hospital in Bangor is over an hour away .Ambulances struggle down the narrow lanes,far narrow than those in Gower.
Local s are quick to put up signs but on the other hand the tourists /visitors like us spend money . I have a chum who keeps his boat in Pwllheli Yacht club,a Welsh quango that is losing money hand over fist. It was built TO attract English and foreign people to moor their vessels and to imput into the local economy.
Anyone who i ambitious there HAS to move away ,as they always have done.Liverpool has a massive Welsh history and Welsh people were welcomed into Liverpool and they stayed because they were made welcome. Lesson there to be learned.
It is NOT about the langauge either;it is simply the fact locals will ignore you if you are outside the village even if you are a Cofi. I can speak a little Welsh but the dialect there and the local suspicion of outsiders is palpable.
One place that has been utterly ruined though is Abersoch,basically Alderley Edge on Sea. Beautiful beach ,horrendous pretentious denizens who really have killed the village as a Welsh one anyway.
It's an issue for debate for sure. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 17:05 - Sep 19 with 1172 views | krunchykarrot |
| Second Homes in Wales on 23:54 - Sep 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Tax the socks off second homes.
Invest the Money raised in the local community.
Cornwall has the very same issue.
Using these beautiful homes for just 4 weeks a year, kills the local community in every respect.
The new Senedd pact with Plaid and Welsh Labour should sort this. |
I have worked 12hrs a day for 6 days a week to buy myself a second house on the coast which i have had for a long time and is payed for. I pay all relevant local taxes and utilities. Why should i have to pay more tax. Its up to me if i use it for 4days or 4months rent it or allow family to occupy.
If you are a dipso or junkie you end up spending said taxes on housing treatment or god knows what, how do you propose spending this tax in the community and who spends it? |  | | |
| Second Homes in Wales on 17:25 - Sep 19 with 1162 views | onehunglow |
| Second Homes in Wales on 17:05 - Sep 19 by krunchykarrot |
I have worked 12hrs a day for 6 days a week to buy myself a second house on the coast which i have had for a long time and is payed for. I pay all relevant local taxes and utilities. Why should i have to pay more tax. Its up to me if i use it for 4days or 4months rent it or allow family to occupy.
If you are a dipso or junkie you end up spending said taxes on housing treatment or god knows what, how do you propose spending this tax in the community and who spends it? |
Good for you.It is your right. Full stop.
I have a chum who bought a derelict cottage in Mynytho near Abersoch using local builders and merchants. He now lives there permanently but still seen as an outisder even though he has learned some Welsh.
As I say,It aint about the language at all;its xenophobia.
Most English and foreign visitorrs want to enjoy the countryside and beaches and will spend good money in doing so.
Few farmers could survive without accomomodating the hated English who store their static caravans over the winter and stay in them in the summer.Either way, butchers,grocers,garages,Taxi drivers all benefit .
They should be begging for tourists -as they were.
When covid situation gets better and more go back abroad,many jobs will go because of bad attitude and also ripping off those who provide food for the table. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 17:51 - Sep 19 with 1149 views | krunchykarrot |
| Second Homes in Wales on 17:25 - Sep 19 by onehunglow |
Good for you.It is your right. Full stop.
I have a chum who bought a derelict cottage in Mynytho near Abersoch using local builders and merchants. He now lives there permanently but still seen as an outisder even though he has learned some Welsh.
As I say,It aint about the language at all;its xenophobia.
Most English and foreign visitorrs want to enjoy the countryside and beaches and will spend good money in doing so.
Few farmers could survive without accomomodating the hated English who store their static caravans over the winter and stay in them in the summer.Either way, butchers,grocers,garages,Taxi drivers all benefit .
They should be begging for tourists -as they were.
When covid situation gets better and more go back abroad,many jobs will go because of bad attitude and also ripping off those who provide food for the table. |
OHL, when Cov19 is under control firms are going to use the workking from home situation to their advantage. The big US companies have sussed already with them getting staff back in. Some companies will lay off using overseas cheap labour where possible.
I agree we need to raise taxes to pay for our incompetant NHS and useless GP system, im not sure if NI rise is the correct method but is this everyone paying in with employers having to stump up the equivalent?
I have to luugh mind with all of our tourism booming and the inevitable complaints, as you say when we are free to travel which looks more likely by the day the narrative will change. | | | |
| Second Homes in Wales on 17:57 - Sep 19 with 1146 views | onehunglow |
| Second Homes in Wales on 17:51 - Sep 19 by krunchykarrot |
OHL, when Cov19 is under control firms are going to use the workking from home situation to their advantage. The big US companies have sussed already with them getting staff back in. Some companies will lay off using overseas cheap labour where possible.
I agree we need to raise taxes to pay for our incompetant NHS and useless GP system, im not sure if NI rise is the correct method but is this everyone paying in with employers having to stump up the equivalent?
I have to luugh mind with all of our tourism booming and the inevitable complaints, as you say when we are free to travel which looks more likely by the day the narrative will change. |
Hard to disagree with any of that so I won't.
Well said.
My own said has said his world wide organisation is doing that right now. | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 18:35 - Sep 19 with 1131 views | 73__73 |
| Second Homes in Wales on 23:54 - Sep 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Tax the socks off second homes.
Invest the Money raised in the local community.
Cornwall has the very same issue.
Using these beautiful homes for just 4 weeks a year, kills the local community in every respect.
The new Senedd pact with Plaid and Welsh Labour should sort this. |
To quote Winston Churchill “ I contend that for a nation to try and tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle | |
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| Second Homes in Wales on 19:04 - Sep 19 with 1121 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Second Homes in Wales on 16:37 - Sep 19 by max936 |
The point is, your first thoughts are always to point at labour.
Rural areas have always been a moot point, don't think there is any single solution, people will understandably sell to the highest bidder and who wouldn't, 2nd homes have always split opinions, if local people are being priced out of properties, then the local government need to look long and hard at it.
I watched the series My Cornish Fishing Life that was aired a few months ago, very enjoyable series and a decent insight into their lives and it was mentioned by several fishermen that took part, that people from London etc, were buying up homes in the villages as 2nd homes and locals priced out of the market, so the issue isn't just in Wales. |
My first though is the government in power in Wales is responsible and has the power to change things. Use their power to raise tax, they can vary income tax. Use the money to build council house in the holiday areas that can only be rented and not sold. The senedd has the power to change things whoever is in charge. Use it. | |
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