| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night 10:01 - Mar 3 with 3141 views | magicdaps10 |
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
I brought it up briefly Monday night but noticed that WOL had a story about it. I thought they were bang on at the time when they were speaking, guys who know the game from inside and have been in football surroundings day in day out.
There is always going to be split in people's views and opinions but when you have guys with the experience and knowledge then the reality becomes clearer if you wish to listen to these people.
Have a read but I would if you are able to get hold of it on Sky, I woukd suggest you have a listen to them. Both have been around a whole and played in the new modern way so can grasp where we are as a club. |  |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 10:11 - Mar 3 with 1758 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I’d expect both combined have probably watched us 3 times this season. |  |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 10:12 - Mar 3 with 1761 views | Catullus |
I watched it and though I can agree with much of it, the problem was never where martin wants to get us but CAN he get us there.
He needs new players, players good enough. He needs to be pragmatic and learn that a one size fits all size approach doesn't work. There will be times when you have to adjust your gameplan.
WBA was a very good illustration of this. We were like two different teams, in the first half slow and predictable, not getting anywhere and probably lucky we didn't go behind. In the second we were quicker, a bit more direct. As Dr P pointed out, we didn't need 20 passes to get the ball into their third, it was 2/3/4/5 passes and we were up there. Even when you want possession football, pace is important, pace of thought and movement and pace of passing
We may get to where he wants to be but we still need to show improvement along the way. Unless we show improvement he may not be able to sign the players he wants. Even then, if they are willing to come here, can we afford them? |  |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 10:25 - Mar 3 with 1744 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 10:12 - Mar 3 by Catullus |
I watched it and though I can agree with much of it, the problem was never where martin wants to get us but CAN he get us there.
He needs new players, players good enough. He needs to be pragmatic and learn that a one size fits all size approach doesn't work. There will be times when you have to adjust your gameplan.
WBA was a very good illustration of this. We were like two different teams, in the first half slow and predictable, not getting anywhere and probably lucky we didn't go behind. In the second we were quicker, a bit more direct. As Dr P pointed out, we didn't need 20 passes to get the ball into their third, it was 2/3/4/5 passes and we were up there. Even when you want possession football, pace is important, pace of thought and movement and pace of passing
We may get to where he wants to be but we still need to show improvement along the way. Unless we show improvement he may not be able to sign the players he wants. Even then, if they are willing to come here, can we afford them? |
Yep I said very early that if you want a long term goal then you need to hit short term targets. You can’t just set and forget, it need continuous monitoring.
We want to see progression, if we are seeing significant progression with time - then patience is fine. If we are going backwards then patience is simply an excuse.
Up to this point we are going backwards.
32 games gone:-
First 16 games
Scored: 20 (1.25 scored per game)
Conceded: 16 (1.00 conceded per game)
23 points (1.44 points per game)
Last 16 games
Scored: 14 (0.87 scored per game)
Conceded: 27 (1.69 conceded per game)
18 points (1.13 points per game) | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 11:12 - Mar 3 with 1720 views | KeithHaynes |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 10:25 - Mar 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yep I said very early that if you want a long term goal then you need to hit short term targets. You can’t just set and forget, it need continuous monitoring.
We want to see progression, if we are seeing significant progression with time - then patience is fine. If we are going backwards then patience is simply an excuse.
Up to this point we are going backwards.
32 games gone:-
First 16 games
Scored: 20 (1.25 scored per game)
Conceded: 16 (1.00 conceded per game)
23 points (1.44 points per game)
Last 16 games
Scored: 14 (0.87 scored per game)
Conceded: 27 (1.69 conceded per game)
18 points (1.13 points per game) |
I agree. The issue is the club have gone all in with Martin, with his mate leaving it’s not helped, the whole idea was to have a team of coaches to instil this new philosophy. So that’s an issue for me. There’s no way the current explanations for his leaving stack up. You don’t agree to what the three coaches agreed to then one of you walks away for the reasons given, Situations like that are managed by the club and the individual themselves to everyone’s agreement, unless of course he is in a relationship which is so bad or rocky this is his only choice, and even then there’s solutions. It’s no surprise to me the downturn in form from the end of November to the end of January coincides with this issue.
My view, and I’ve said this a few times. When you deliver the type of developmental training as a coach utilising experiential learning you need to look after your own well being as well. Maybe in Luke Williams case the whole structure of delivery has also opened up his own personal reflections. In turn he has seen the bigger picture for himself personally and can’t manage the fall out. It’s the same theory as fight or flight, he has done the latter for sure. This is what I mentioned, you have to be a skilled coach ( in this style of learning and development ) we’ve seen some of the players reactions which is to be expected, but living that way of teaching and developing has an affective effect. Learning through emotions not by ‘telling’ or didactically will always do this.
I know people will disagree and rebel against explanations like this, but then isn’t that what the players did ? Paterson obviously, Obafemi and initially Piroe. And they are the ones we know about. I knew when articles relating to this were put on the website, dominant individuals would respond in the way we saw at the start of January. We saw numerous responses to those articles with abuse, negativity and an attack on me and the website. Those that did that did so by not grasping the content and reacting as expected, and that was expected, especially from a domineering bully. They then start using the term ‘we’ in a desperate attempt to get others to agree. In one case others did aquiess for fear of being bullied themselves.
It’s the same principle, and when you get inside people’s heads it really can explode. Especially when you look at the level of understanding some people have.
That’s it I’m off out 🤪 |  |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 11:19 - Mar 3 with 1703 views | STID2017 |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 11:12 - Mar 3 by KeithHaynes |
I agree. The issue is the club have gone all in with Martin, with his mate leaving it’s not helped, the whole idea was to have a team of coaches to instil this new philosophy. So that’s an issue for me. There’s no way the current explanations for his leaving stack up. You don’t agree to what the three coaches agreed to then one of you walks away for the reasons given, Situations like that are managed by the club and the individual themselves to everyone’s agreement, unless of course he is in a relationship which is so bad or rocky this is his only choice, and even then there’s solutions. It’s no surprise to me the downturn in form from the end of November to the end of January coincides with this issue.
My view, and I’ve said this a few times. When you deliver the type of developmental training as a coach utilising experiential learning you need to look after your own well being as well. Maybe in Luke Williams case the whole structure of delivery has also opened up his own personal reflections. In turn he has seen the bigger picture for himself personally and can’t manage the fall out. It’s the same theory as fight or flight, he has done the latter for sure. This is what I mentioned, you have to be a skilled coach ( in this style of learning and development ) we’ve seen some of the players reactions which is to be expected, but living that way of teaching and developing has an affective effect. Learning through emotions not by ‘telling’ or didactically will always do this.
I know people will disagree and rebel against explanations like this, but then isn’t that what the players did ? Paterson obviously, Obafemi and initially Piroe. And they are the ones we know about. I knew when articles relating to this were put on the website, dominant individuals would respond in the way we saw at the start of January. We saw numerous responses to those articles with abuse, negativity and an attack on me and the website. Those that did that did so by not grasping the content and reacting as expected, and that was expected, especially from a domineering bully. They then start using the term ‘we’ in a desperate attempt to get others to agree. In one case others did aquiess for fear of being bullied themselves.
It’s the same principle, and when you get inside people’s heads it really can explode. Especially when you look at the level of understanding some people have.
That’s it I’m off out 🤪 |
Excellent post Keith |  |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 11:46 - Mar 3 with 1678 views | magicdaps10 |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 11:12 - Mar 3 by KeithHaynes |
I agree. The issue is the club have gone all in with Martin, with his mate leaving it’s not helped, the whole idea was to have a team of coaches to instil this new philosophy. So that’s an issue for me. There’s no way the current explanations for his leaving stack up. You don’t agree to what the three coaches agreed to then one of you walks away for the reasons given, Situations like that are managed by the club and the individual themselves to everyone’s agreement, unless of course he is in a relationship which is so bad or rocky this is his only choice, and even then there’s solutions. It’s no surprise to me the downturn in form from the end of November to the end of January coincides with this issue.
My view, and I’ve said this a few times. When you deliver the type of developmental training as a coach utilising experiential learning you need to look after your own well being as well. Maybe in Luke Williams case the whole structure of delivery has also opened up his own personal reflections. In turn he has seen the bigger picture for himself personally and can’t manage the fall out. It’s the same theory as fight or flight, he has done the latter for sure. This is what I mentioned, you have to be a skilled coach ( in this style of learning and development ) we’ve seen some of the players reactions which is to be expected, but living that way of teaching and developing has an affective effect. Learning through emotions not by ‘telling’ or didactically will always do this.
I know people will disagree and rebel against explanations like this, but then isn’t that what the players did ? Paterson obviously, Obafemi and initially Piroe. And they are the ones we know about. I knew when articles relating to this were put on the website, dominant individuals would respond in the way we saw at the start of January. We saw numerous responses to those articles with abuse, negativity and an attack on me and the website. Those that did that did so by not grasping the content and reacting as expected, and that was expected, especially from a domineering bully. They then start using the term ‘we’ in a desperate attempt to get others to agree. In one case others did aquiess for fear of being bullied themselves.
It’s the same principle, and when you get inside people’s heads it really can explode. Especially when you look at the level of understanding some people have.
That’s it I’m off out 🤪 |
Ooooohhhh I liked that post Keith, I liked it a lot.
Very open and honest but not too pushy and you touched nicely on the whole picture and highlighted possible issues without the need too expand.... Very well thought out post.
The post wasn't lost on me Keith 😉👠| |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 11:55 - Mar 3 with 1664 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 11:12 - Mar 3 by KeithHaynes |
I agree. The issue is the club have gone all in with Martin, with his mate leaving it’s not helped, the whole idea was to have a team of coaches to instil this new philosophy. So that’s an issue for me. There’s no way the current explanations for his leaving stack up. You don’t agree to what the three coaches agreed to then one of you walks away for the reasons given, Situations like that are managed by the club and the individual themselves to everyone’s agreement, unless of course he is in a relationship which is so bad or rocky this is his only choice, and even then there’s solutions. It’s no surprise to me the downturn in form from the end of November to the end of January coincides with this issue.
My view, and I’ve said this a few times. When you deliver the type of developmental training as a coach utilising experiential learning you need to look after your own well being as well. Maybe in Luke Williams case the whole structure of delivery has also opened up his own personal reflections. In turn he has seen the bigger picture for himself personally and can’t manage the fall out. It’s the same theory as fight or flight, he has done the latter for sure. This is what I mentioned, you have to be a skilled coach ( in this style of learning and development ) we’ve seen some of the players reactions which is to be expected, but living that way of teaching and developing has an affective effect. Learning through emotions not by ‘telling’ or didactically will always do this.
I know people will disagree and rebel against explanations like this, but then isn’t that what the players did ? Paterson obviously, Obafemi and initially Piroe. And they are the ones we know about. I knew when articles relating to this were put on the website, dominant individuals would respond in the way we saw at the start of January. We saw numerous responses to those articles with abuse, negativity and an attack on me and the website. Those that did that did so by not grasping the content and reacting as expected, and that was expected, especially from a domineering bully. They then start using the term ‘we’ in a desperate attempt to get others to agree. In one case others did aquiess for fear of being bullied themselves.
It’s the same principle, and when you get inside people’s heads it really can explode. Especially when you look at the level of understanding some people have.
That’s it I’m off out 🤪 |
Yep I agree.
Certainly two camps forming now, ones that are wanting to see the progress we were promised now we are deep into the first season and the other getting antsy that those asking to see this progress are showing that there isn’t any thus far.
Some of the social media reactions to some of the articles has been really bad, similar to on here with reactions we have seen against those who are tracking this progress and assessing it has been beyond the pale. The abuse has certainly ramped up from certain quarters.
I was reading the MK Dons threads last week and a few of them are pointing out that both Williams and Martin are coaches, not managers in their view. There could be something in that, because even his staunchest supporters on here have said it looks like he may need some help.
Interesting to see how it will unfold, but whatever side of the fence, the common ground should be the need to see progression - and that is something clearly missing at the moment. | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 11:56 - Mar 3 with 1662 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 11:46 - Mar 3 by magicdaps10 |
Ooooohhhh I liked that post Keith, I liked it a lot.
Very open and honest but not too pushy and you touched nicely on the whole picture and highlighted possible issues without the need too expand.... Very well thought out post.
The post wasn't lost on me Keith 😉👠|
I have a feeling like most things, it was very much lost on you  | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 12:52 - Mar 3 with 1620 views | onehunglow |
You thought so because you wanted it.
We have on loan players who are not our own and players who will be off at the end of the season.
We or rather Martin are building nothing at all but a bigger pile of BS .
Pundits are utterly ignorant of what we are about these days. Its like when ,in Prem,they would hardly mention us apart from being the opponents of the "big clubs" .
Murray should know all about how managers move out of Swansea too | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 12:57 - Mar 3 with 1620 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 12:52 - Mar 3 by onehunglow |
You thought so because you wanted it.
We have on loan players who are not our own and players who will be off at the end of the season.
We or rather Martin are building nothing at all but a bigger pile of BS .
Pundits are utterly ignorant of what we are about these days. Its like when ,in Prem,they would hardly mention us apart from being the opponents of the "big clubs" .
Murray should know all about how managers move out of Swansea too |
Indeed, it’s called confirmation bias.
If people say something you want to hear then they are suddenly the oracles of football and a shining light for all things correct… if they say the opposite then they are idiots that shouldn’t be on TV.
I prefer to trust reality rather than someone’s (usually poorly informed) version of reality.
Look at the team, look at how we are playing, look at our results - make a judgement. It’s that simple. | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:04 - Mar 3 with 1611 views | magicdaps10 |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 12:57 - Mar 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
Indeed, it’s called confirmation bias.
If people say something you want to hear then they are suddenly the oracles of football and a shining light for all things correct… if they say the opposite then they are idiots that shouldn’t be on TV.
I prefer to trust reality rather than someone’s (usually poorly informed) version of reality.
Look at the team, look at how we are playing, look at our results - make a judgement. It’s that simple. |
What.... Like Roy Keane and the commentator who spoke after 50mins on Monday night!?
God give me strength, its always what suits YOU! | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:14 - Mar 3 with 1593 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:04 - Mar 3 by magicdaps10 |
What.... Like Roy Keane and the commentator who spoke after 50mins on Monday night!?
God give me strength, its always what suits YOU! |
These are points I’ve made time and time again myself. They aren’t off the back of some two bit SKY pundit who has never seen us play more than a handful of times while I pretend they are some football oracles.
When I posted what the commentator said, I wasn’t suggesting he was doing so from a position of authority. Did you see me giving him some trumped up introduction? No.
I didn’t state how long he had been in the game and how wonderful his view must be, like you did. I posted it simply because it was a neutral, watching our game and making a very obvious observation about the way we were playing that many of us have been doing for a long time.
Roy Keane was making a general football point and wasn’t pretending to have watched us every game this season. Yet again I didn’t accompany the clip with a ringing endorsement of his wonderful football knowledge and achievements in the game, I let people make their own minds up about what he said. The consensus seemed to be he was right.
One is a sharing of views, the other is attempting to share views from a false authority.
Huge difference. | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:21 - Mar 3 with 1586 views | magicdaps10 |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:14 - Mar 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
These are points I’ve made time and time again myself. They aren’t off the back of some two bit SKY pundit who has never seen us play more than a handful of times while I pretend they are some football oracles.
When I posted what the commentator said, I wasn’t suggesting he was doing so from a position of authority. Did you see me giving him some trumped up introduction? No.
I didn’t state how long he had been in the game and how wonderful his view must be, like you did. I posted it simply because it was a neutral, watching our game and making a very obvious observation about the way we were playing that many of us have been doing for a long time.
Roy Keane was making a general football point and wasn’t pretending to have watched us every game this season. Yet again I didn’t accompany the clip with a ringing endorsement of his wonderful football knowledge and achievements in the game, I let people make their own minds up about what he said. The consensus seemed to be he was right.
One is a sharing of views, the other is attempting to share views from a false authority.
Huge difference. |
Until you can prove how many times they have watched us then you have no basis to judge them.
They have different views to you, you don't like it and can't handle it.....deal with it but it doesn't mean they are right or wrong. | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:25 - Mar 3 with 1576 views | onehunglow |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:21 - Mar 3 by magicdaps10 |
Until you can prove how many times they have watched us then you have no basis to judge them.
They have different views to you, you don't like it and can't handle it.....deal with it but it doesn't mean they are right or wrong. |
Remember the bit where the pundits were going on about our unnecessary passing drivel | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:26 - Mar 3 with 1577 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:21 - Mar 3 by magicdaps10 |
Until you can prove how many times they have watched us then you have no basis to judge them.
They have different views to you, you don't like it and can't handle it.....deal with it but it doesn't mean they are right or wrong. |
Common sense proves it.
Why would two men who don’t support us watch us regularly? How often have you seen Crewe Alexandra this season?
I can absolutely handle anybodies views, they are from people that don’t follow the club in any capacity so it really doesn’t need to be “handled”. They are from uninformed positions.
But like I said, you found comfort in their views so you are ignoring the obvious that they probably know very little about our season, and pretending like they have greater knowledge on our club.
It’s confirmation bias. | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 16:19 - Mar 3 with 1513 views | magicdaps10 |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 13:26 - Mar 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
Common sense proves it.
Why would two men who don’t support us watch us regularly? How often have you seen Crewe Alexandra this season?
I can absolutely handle anybodies views, they are from people that don’t follow the club in any capacity so it really doesn’t need to be “handled”. They are from uninformed positions.
But like I said, you found comfort in their views so you are ignoring the obvious that they probably know very little about our season, and pretending like they have greater knowledge on our club.
It’s confirmation bias. |
So you are basing it on a hunch then.
To be fair their views are something I have stated from the seasons start as have others... Its a view but it seems that people within football are thinking the same.
They are obviously basing their opinions of the facts in hand, sometimes people looking in from the outside have a clearer picture.
I thought they were bang on, you didn't..... Doesnt mean either of us are right or wrong. | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 16:52 - Mar 3 with 1498 views | swan65split |
Nice little 59 second video clip on Facelook, from Swansea , control, purpose identity. |  | | |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 17:08 - Mar 3 with 1489 views | magicdaps10 |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 16:52 - Mar 3 by swan65split |
Nice little 59 second video clip on Facelook, from Swansea , control, purpose identity. |
Was it in the 1st half that led to the header that keeper made a save from?
If so then it reminded me of the stills that showed our passing under Rodgers and Laudrup in the Premier league. | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 17:18 - Mar 3 with 1482 views | swan65split |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 17:08 - Mar 3 by magicdaps10 |
Was it in the 1st half that led to the header that keeper made a save from?
If so then it reminded me of the stills that showed our passing under Rodgers and Laudrup in the Premier league. |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 22:41 - Mar 3 with 1398 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 16:19 - Mar 3 by magicdaps10 |
So you are basing it on a hunch then.
To be fair their views are something I have stated from the seasons start as have others... Its a view but it seems that people within football are thinking the same.
They are obviously basing their opinions of the facts in hand, sometimes people looking in from the outside have a clearer picture.
I thought they were bang on, you didn't..... Doesnt mean either of us are right or wrong. |
Basing what on a hunch?
That Glenn Murray and Hal Robson Kanu aren’t Swansea fans?
This is where you let yourself down. You will happily argue over this too.
Just say “yeah fair point, didn’t consider that”. And be done with it. | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 22:50 - Mar 3 with 1385 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 16:52 - Mar 3 by swan65split |
Nice little 59 second video clip on Facelook, from Swansea , control, purpose identity. |
That’s the issue, football is 90 mins.
And that 90 mins is repeated 46 times plus cup games.
You can find a 59 second clip of any team from Coventry to Caersws and they would look like Garrincha and Pele reincarnated.
Unfortunately we have shown almost no control, identity or purpose for the majority of each match… hence we are in the bottom third of the league and teams have been slicing through us like butter while we can barely score.
34 goals scored in 32 games.
The best football we played was in the last 15 minutes when he ditched the God awful passing and possession stuff and went direct. We get most of our results from him ditching and going direct. Then people pretend we didn’t go direct and it was all part of the original plan.
No idea why. [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 22:53]
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 23:16 - Mar 3 with 1365 views | STID2017 |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 22:50 - Mar 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
That’s the issue, football is 90 mins.
And that 90 mins is repeated 46 times plus cup games.
You can find a 59 second clip of any team from Coventry to Caersws and they would look like Garrincha and Pele reincarnated.
Unfortunately we have shown almost no control, identity or purpose for the majority of each match… hence we are in the bottom third of the league and teams have been slicing through us like butter while we can barely score.
34 goals scored in 32 games.
The best football we played was in the last 15 minutes when he ditched the God awful passing and possession stuff and went direct. We get most of our results from him ditching and going direct. Then people pretend we didn’t go direct and it was all part of the original plan.
No idea why. [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 22:53]
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"hence we are in the bottom third of the league"
Think you will find it is a fact ( as you like "facts" so much) that 16th is actually in the middle third ?
So definite signs of improvement from where we were then, in the bottom third?
I am sure you will agree with this fact ? | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 23:24 - Mar 3 with 1356 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 23:16 - Mar 3 by STID2017 |
"hence we are in the bottom third of the league"
Think you will find it is a fact ( as you like "facts" so much) that 16th is actually in the middle third ?
So definite signs of improvement from where we were then, in the bottom third?
I am sure you will agree with this fact ? |
Nope, I look at the table without deductions to show the true picture of how we are performing against our peers. We are in the bottom third of points gained compared to everyone else.
The deductions may have taken us into the bottom of the middle third, I haven’t checked. But wasn’t the point I made, my point was football results not bureaucracy.
Nice to see you trying to start petty arguments again. Did you manage to speak to Dracula? | |
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| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 23:34 - Mar 3 with 1346 views | STID2017 |
| Glenn Murray and Robson Kanu assessment from Monday night on 23:24 - Mar 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nope, I look at the table without deductions to show the true picture of how we are performing against our peers. We are in the bottom third of points gained compared to everyone else.
The deductions may have taken us into the bottom of the middle third, I haven’t checked. But wasn’t the point I made, my point was football results not bureaucracy.
Nice to see you trying to start petty arguments again. Did you manage to speak to Dracula? |
You cant alter the table to suit yourself!
OMG how nuts is that !
The official league table is the one published by the EFL , which shows us in the middle third, not your fantasy league !
Funniest thing I have seen posted on here in ages mun.
Worse than your " Ask Dracula"
Both show you must be living on Fantasy Island !!
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