| Playing out from the back 17:26 - Apr 23 with 2449 views | jojaca |
Watching all football in general, I just see teams gifting goals including us playing this way. I would like to see the goals conceded vs teams scoring statistic playing out from the back. Most overrated tactic for me in football, even though I am all for it, but I like to see us mix it up more. My cringe radar gets alerted every goal kick we get with Naughton and Fisher. |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 17:38 - Apr 23 with 2416 views | Dr_Winston |
We played out of the back just fine under previous managers, and as we mostly lose the ball when it does get kicked long you can understand why we do it.
That goal kick nonsense needs to stop though. Just asking for trouble. |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 17:43 - Apr 23 with 2416 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Playing out from the back on 17:38 - Apr 23 by Dr_Winston |
We played out of the back just fine under previous managers, and as we mostly lose the ball when it does get kicked long you can understand why we do it.
That goal kick nonsense needs to stop though. Just asking for trouble. |
If its on fine, but we force it when it clearly isn't, this puts huge pressure on our defenders and our already fragile keeper. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 17:43 - Apr 23 with 2409 views | Dr_Winston |
| Playing out from the back on 17:43 - Apr 23 by Treforys_Jack |
If its on fine, but we force it when it clearly isn't, this puts huge pressure on our defenders and our already fragile keeper. |
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| Playing out from the back on 18:07 - Apr 23 with 2377 views | onehunglow |
It is madness unless you have the players.
We haven't |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 21:03 - Apr 23 with 2287 views | Badlands |
Got caught out today because Grime didn’t know here he was. |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 21:19 - Apr 23 with 2273 views | Boundy |
| Playing out from the back on 17:43 - Apr 23 by Dr_Winston |
Yep. |
A couple of times today Naughton and Fisher played little one twos with Fisher ending up in in front but his pass out then to Downes for example was too short nearly gifting Middlesbrough with a one on one opportunity . | |
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| Playing out from the back on 21:27 - Apr 23 with 2260 views | jasper_T |
When most teams try to play out they use the width of the pitch. But our wide players are 40/50 yards up the pitch playing on the shoulder (for long balls that never come), so we can end up with Grimes and Naughton with no options but to pass forward and back between each other and the keeper.
Managers like to play out from the back because it creates space higher up the pitch (see Graham Potter and the Celina goal against Man City), but when we're so narrow - like on the goal kicks - teams don't have to commit many men to pressing us and gaps seldom appear. A disciplined side with fresh legs can cause havok if they choose their moment well. As opposition managers have said this season - we give away chances other teams don't. One man stays with Naughton, two sprint at Grimes when he moves to receive the ball. Panic stations. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 21:36 - Apr 23 with 2251 views | KeithHaynes |
| Playing out from the back on 17:38 - Apr 23 by Dr_Winston |
We played out of the back just fine under previous managers, and as we mostly lose the ball when it does get kicked long you can understand why we do it.
That goal kick nonsense needs to stop though. Just asking for trouble. |
That’s an issue granted.
But it’s not about this season as we know 😉 |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 21:38 - Apr 23 with 2241 views | Dr_Winston |
| Playing out from the back on 21:36 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
That’s an issue granted.
But it’s not about this season as we know 😉 |
See Jasper's response. Hard to see any kind of fix being implemented next season, if at all. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 22:25 - Apr 23 with 2199 views | KeithHaynes |
| Playing out from the back on 21:38 - Apr 23 by Dr_Winston |
See Jasper's response. Hard to see any kind of fix being implemented next season, if at all. |
I think we have fixed a lot as the season has progressed. It’s brave we all know, some say stupid. But I’m enjoying it. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 23:50 - Apr 23 with 2145 views | jojaca |
| Playing out from the back on 22:25 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
I think we have fixed a lot as the season has progressed. It’s brave we all know, some say stupid. But I’m enjoying it. |
At the current rate we gift teams chances any team coached by Russell Martin will not see promotion. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 00:11 - Apr 24 with 2131 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Playing out from the back on 22:25 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
I think we have fixed a lot as the season has progressed. It’s brave we all know, some say stupid. But I’m enjoying it. |
It's called masochism. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 21:47 - Apr 24 with 2026 views | vetchonian |
| Playing out from the back on 23:50 - Apr 23 by jojaca |
At the current rate we gift teams chances any team coached by Russell Martin will not see promotion. |
but always finish top of the possession table though | |
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| Playing out from the back on 08:17 - Apr 25 with 1914 views | onehunglow |
It's often the case that after passing it around at the back ,the ball ha to be" hoofed "out of danger. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 09:04 - Apr 25 with 1887 views | RichardO |
| Playing out from the back on 08:17 - Apr 25 by onehunglow |
It's often the case that after passing it around at the back ,the ball ha to be" hoofed "out of danger. |
Nothing wrong with 'Hoofball' in the right circumstances but even then there must be an point to it relieving pressure in break away situations the touchline can be the best option.
Putting it in the channels for the wingbacks or upfront for a centre forward are options but if those players end up isolated you can expect the pressure to come back straight on you.
With us dropping back to pass we end up having a disconnect at times from the five forwards which has changed now at times with Piroe and Ntcham for example dropping off the front line into a vacant midfield. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 09:10 - Apr 25 with 1879 views | onehunglow |
| Playing out from the back on 09:04 - Apr 25 by RichardO |
Nothing wrong with 'Hoofball' in the right circumstances but even then there must be an point to it relieving pressure in break away situations the touchline can be the best option.
Putting it in the channels for the wingbacks or upfront for a centre forward are options but if those players end up isolated you can expect the pressure to come back straight on you.
With us dropping back to pass we end up having a disconnect at times from the five forwards which has changed now at times with Piroe and Ntcham for example dropping off the front line into a vacant midfield. |
Great posting Sir.
This has been ,for me , the worst season since the relegation.
That is MY perception. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 09:51 - Apr 25 with 1853 views | RichardO |
| Playing out from the back on 09:10 - Apr 25 by onehunglow |
Great posting Sir.
This has been ,for me , the worst season since the relegation.
That is MY perception. |
All about getting the right balance and using the players in the squad to provide best results.
Last year expectations we raised high at Christmas time but in my opinion dropped off after, having said that in our "good" run in the last 23 games we haven't matched last seasons last 23 games points total, although last year goal for total was low and goals against was low, the second half of the season in my opinion at times was a hard watch at times just as this year has been. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 12:34 - Apr 25 with 1796 views | Badlands |
When our midfield works to make space playing out works fine.
When we revert to playing statues the goalkeeper and back three have few options.
Fisher's long distribution is shockingly poor. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 14:17 - Apr 25 with 1766 views | RichardO |
| Playing out from the back on 12:34 - Apr 25 by Badlands |
When our midfield works to make space playing out works fine.
When we revert to playing statues the goalkeeper and back three have few options.
Fisher's long distribution is shockingly poor. |
Yes you are right if there is movement all is fine except when that movement is anticipated by the opposition hence the need for players to take responsibility to change the focus of our play.We shouldn't struggle in the midfield as we have 6 players there, by all means look to keep width but do it after we win the ball back. [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 17:21]
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| Playing out from the back on 20:26 - Apr 25 with 1697 views | Lorax |
| Playing out from the back on 14:17 - Apr 25 by RichardO |
Yes you are right if there is movement all is fine except when that movement is anticipated by the opposition hence the need for players to take responsibility to change the focus of our play.We shouldn't struggle in the midfield as we have 6 players there, by all means look to keep width but do it after we win the ball back. [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 17:21]
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Thing is, having 6 players in midfield and only one up front sometimes means the crowded midfield gets in each others way and we don't have a through ball for the one forward who has 3 defenders on him.
I still don't think having the wing backs so high up all the time works, we are weak at the back but they aren't quick enough going forward. Wing backs get forward when the chance is there, they don't stay high all the time, surely? We may as well just have proper wingers.
I still think we should be playing 2 up front, Oba's pace playing off Piroe. 4-3-1-2, 4-1-3-2 or even 3-2-3-2 but the formation we have now with the players we have isn't working properly, it comes in fits and starts but we need consistency going forward and a better defence. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 22:34 - Apr 25 with 1650 views | RichardO |
| Playing out from the back on 20:26 - Apr 25 by Lorax |
Thing is, having 6 players in midfield and only one up front sometimes means the crowded midfield gets in each others way and we don't have a through ball for the one forward who has 3 defenders on him.
I still don't think having the wing backs so high up all the time works, we are weak at the back but they aren't quick enough going forward. Wing backs get forward when the chance is there, they don't stay high all the time, surely? We may as well just have proper wingers.
I still think we should be playing 2 up front, Oba's pace playing off Piroe. 4-3-1-2, 4-1-3-2 or even 3-2-3-2 but the formation we have now with the players we have isn't working properly, it comes in fits and starts but we need consistency going forward and a better defence. |
Obafemi had four defenders with him when he scored on Saturday but I know what you mean.
We are disconnected at times with midfielders dropping into defence to play the passing game leaving big holes in the midfield which considering we have 4 central midfielder seems crazy,
If we get it right in that middle area when teams use a high press then we can utilise the wide wingbacks and forwards creating runs of the back of defenders.
Variation in play please, I'm not one who like to have the same player taking throwing all the time because it let's us get organised but if we are the attacking team it gives the defending team time to organise. | | | |
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