| Release on Licence 15:34 - Aug 24 with 1701 views | onehunglow |
Why do we automatically release from prison offenders .
This is what happens.
They are recidivists and live that life of choice
Innocent people are killed |  |
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| Release on Licence on 18:18 - Aug 24 with 1301 views | raynor94 |
Plead guilty and you get a 50% reduction on your sentence.
These low lives are laughing at the justice system in this Country |  |
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| Release on Licence on 18:44 - Aug 24 with 1277 views | onehunglow |
| Release on Licence on 18:18 - Aug 24 by raynor94 |
Plead guilty and you get a 50% reduction on your sentence.
These low lives are laughing at the justice system in this Country |
The fella shot and arrested in Liverpool is "well known".
He is released and simply carries on his trade
Nothing to do with lack of police this time.It is a chosen lifestyle. | |
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| Release on Licence on 18:49 - Aug 24 with 1270 views | raynor94 |
| Release on Licence on 18:44 - Aug 24 by onehunglow |
The fella shot and arrested in Liverpool is "well known".
He is released and simply carries on his trade
Nothing to do with lack of police this time.It is a chosen lifestyle. |
Exactly, early release, no wonder so many plead guilty on the day of their court case | |
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| Release on Licence on 18:49 - Aug 24 with 1270 views | KeithHaynes |
I blame the police for putting them in prison in the first place. |  |
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| Release on Licence on 18:57 - Aug 24 with 1260 views | onehunglow |
| Release on Licence on 18:49 - Aug 24 by raynor94 |
Exactly, early release, no wonder so many plead guilty on the day of their court case |
Then the circus starts
Legalise all drugs and it will all go away and drugs dealers will start working 50 hours per week at national minimum age.Maybe work in a Care Home.
The world would be a better place of hard drugs were legalised and all addicts were helped,nurtured and encouraged. Seems against their human rights myself as if somebody want to shoot smack into their veins who are we to stop them exercising their free choice.
We have to help people not to make the wrong choices in life.Don't we.
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| Release on Licence on 19:24 - Aug 24 with 1240 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Release on Licence on 18:57 - Aug 24 by onehunglow |
Then the circus starts
Legalise all drugs and it will all go away and drugs dealers will start working 50 hours per week at national minimum age.Maybe work in a Care Home.
The world would be a better place of hard drugs were legalised and all addicts were helped,nurtured and encouraged. Seems against their human rights myself as if somebody want to shoot smack into their veins who are we to stop them exercising their free choice.
We have to help people not to make the wrong choices in life.Don't we.
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No one gets 50% for a guilty plea. It’s 33 % on very first day in magistrates, 25% In crown court and 10% on day of trial. Because of this vast majority plead guilty on the first day. Get rid of that, no one would plead.
Do you not believe at all in rehabilitation and trying to reduce reoffending. Can’t you see that dealers target homeless people ? The dealers need to be targeted not the users. Penalties for dealing class A is very severe.
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| Release on Licence on 19:55 - Aug 24 with 1214 views | onehunglow |
Some of you worship a God that suffered little children to come unto him.
In this case a filthy,feral rat lives yet a little girl does not.
Explain that | |
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| Release on Licence on 19:57 - Aug 24 with 1212 views | onehunglow |
Its also unimaginable for most of us to think doctors have to treat these. | |
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| Release on Licence on 21:35 - Aug 24 with 1168 views | majorraglan |
| Release on Licence on 18:18 - Aug 24 by raynor94 |
Plead guilty and you get a 50% reduction on your sentence.
These low lives are laughing at the justice system in this Country |
SirJohnalot has explained the discounting process and without it our Court system would be swamped and overwhelmed because there’d be no incentive for anyone to plead guilty - even those who are banged to rights!
Villains on remand have far more privileges (visits etc) than those who’ve been sentenced; years ago criminals would remain on remand as lng as they could until the last possible moment before pleading guilty, quite often they’d actually wait to see if the complainant turned up at Court. This caused victims massive stress and generated huge amounts waste including additional expenditure. Reductions for early guilty pleas reduce waste and expenditure associated with a Courts.
Another factor in need of consideration is the cost of prison and the early release scheme. Governments (well this one in particular) doesn’t want to spend money on public services and locking people up is expensive, really expensive. In real terms, the prison budget is now much lower than it was 10 years ago, there are more older people in prison (they cost more to look after) and releasing inmates early for “good behaviour” cuts costs and makes room for new inmates. There are big shortages of Prison Officers and the service profile reveals 50% of PO’s have less than 5 years service, if the early release incentive for “good behaviour” is removed prisoners may be less inclined to behave (they’ll have lost any chance of early release) and prisons will become even more difficult to manage, think riots, assaults on staff etc etc.
Locking people up for longer is doable but it comes at a price, is that a price the people in power are prepared to pay?
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| Release on Licence on 22:23 - Aug 24 with 1141 views | raynor94 |
| Release on Licence on 21:35 - Aug 24 by majorraglan |
SirJohnalot has explained the discounting process and without it our Court system would be swamped and overwhelmed because there’d be no incentive for anyone to plead guilty - even those who are banged to rights!
Villains on remand have far more privileges (visits etc) than those who’ve been sentenced; years ago criminals would remain on remand as lng as they could until the last possible moment before pleading guilty, quite often they’d actually wait to see if the complainant turned up at Court. This caused victims massive stress and generated huge amounts waste including additional expenditure. Reductions for early guilty pleas reduce waste and expenditure associated with a Courts.
Another factor in need of consideration is the cost of prison and the early release scheme. Governments (well this one in particular) doesn’t want to spend money on public services and locking people up is expensive, really expensive. In real terms, the prison budget is now much lower than it was 10 years ago, there are more older people in prison (they cost more to look after) and releasing inmates early for “good behaviour” cuts costs and makes room for new inmates. There are big shortages of Prison Officers and the service profile reveals 50% of PO’s have less than 5 years service, if the early release incentive for “good behaviour” is removed prisoners may be less inclined to behave (they’ll have lost any chance of early release) and prisons will become even more difficult to manage, think riots, assaults on staff etc etc.
Locking people up for longer is doable but it comes at a price, is that a price the people in power are prepared to pay?
Edit -typo [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 23:14]
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There's a big difference between what they are sentenced to what they serve
OHL is correct this being released on licence is a joke, they are laughing at the justice system. | |
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| Release on Licence on 23:22 - Aug 24 with 1117 views | majorraglan |
| Release on Licence on 22:23 - Aug 24 by raynor94 |
There's a big difference between what they are sentenced to what they serve
OHL is correct this being released on licence is a joke, they are laughing at the justice system. |
I’m not arguing with you, I’m merely pointing out the facts as they are. All things point back to the government who issue the sentencing guidance etc etc. [Post edited 25 Aug 2022 8:35]
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| Release on Licence on 06:25 - Aug 25 with 1073 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Release on Licence on 22:23 - Aug 24 by raynor94 |
There's a big difference between what they are sentenced to what they serve
OHL is correct this being released on licence is a joke, they are laughing at the justice system. |
As I said to OHL, what’s the alternative ? | | | |
| Release on Licence on 09:03 - Aug 25 with 1033 views | onehunglow |
| Release on Licence on 06:25 - Aug 25 by Sirjohnalot |
As I said to OHL, what’s the alternative ? |
Morning Jon
Alternatives.
First,we could start by having criminals serve their sentence in full. 45 months for Nee would have meant this girl lived.That's good enough for me.
It is either them or us. Either we win or they do. Right now,they are.
Secondly,we have to eliminate those who literally crawl over a 9 yr old to save their meaningless,putrid lives.
More innocent are killed than are found not guilty and by not guilty let's not suggest they are necessarily "innocent". | |
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| Release on Licence on 09:28 - Aug 25 with 1023 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Release on Licence on 09:03 - Aug 25 by onehunglow |
Morning Jon
Alternatives.
First,we could start by having criminals serve their sentence in full. 45 months for Nee would have meant this girl lived.That's good enough for me.
It is either them or us. Either we win or they do. Right now,they are.
Secondly,we have to eliminate those who literally crawl over a 9 yr old to save their meaningless,putrid lives.
More innocent are killed than are found not guilty and by not guilty let's not suggest they are necessarily "innocent". |
Morning.
That would cost billions and need many more prisons built, prison officers recruited, which won’t happen. Throwing out platitudes about longer sentences is what this Tory government has been saying for years, but the reality is, they can’t afford it.
Prison system is crumbling, Strangeways is rat infested, the prisons are full of people with severe mental health problems, the suicide rate is huge, the drug problem inside is rife. Unless we pump money into poorer areas to lift people out of poverty, to try to steer them away from a life of crime, it will continue to be a ticking time bomb.
They’ve very long sentences in America, their crime rate is worse than ours. We need to be finding a way of establishing why people are going down the road of crime and cutting into the circle of generations of families going down the same path.
The gunman fired the bullets, not the bloke that was shot.
What do you mean by eliminating him ? Capital punishment for failing to act along with murder, drug dealing ? You seriously advocating putting someone to death for his albeit disgustingly cowardly behaviour?
Finally. You’re right right in that being found not guilty doesn’t necessarily mean innocent but what do you suggest happens ? If the police say someone is guilty then that’s it ?,no trial ?
I understand this is repugnant, the killer is evil and will very likely spend the rest of his days in prison but it’s not as easy as locking everyone up for ever and killing majority of prisoners.
Do we really want to become like the Southern States of America who have executed folk with learning disabilities? | | | |
| Release on Licence on 11:20 - Aug 25 with 1008 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Release on Licence on 21:35 - Aug 24 by majorraglan |
SirJohnalot has explained the discounting process and without it our Court system would be swamped and overwhelmed because there’d be no incentive for anyone to plead guilty - even those who are banged to rights!
Villains on remand have far more privileges (visits etc) than those who’ve been sentenced; years ago criminals would remain on remand as lng as they could until the last possible moment before pleading guilty, quite often they’d actually wait to see if the complainant turned up at Court. This caused victims massive stress and generated huge amounts waste including additional expenditure. Reductions for early guilty pleas reduce waste and expenditure associated with a Courts.
Another factor in need of consideration is the cost of prison and the early release scheme. Governments (well this one in particular) doesn’t want to spend money on public services and locking people up is expensive, really expensive. In real terms, the prison budget is now much lower than it was 10 years ago, there are more older people in prison (they cost more to look after) and releasing inmates early for “good behaviour” cuts costs and makes room for new inmates. There are big shortages of Prison Officers and the service profile reveals 50% of PO’s have less than 5 years service, if the early release incentive for “good behaviour” is removed prisoners may be less inclined to behave (they’ll have lost any chance of early release) and prisons will become even more difficult to manage, think riots, assaults on staff etc etc.
Locking people up for longer is doable but it comes at a price, is that a price the people in power are prepared to pay?
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Correct taxpayers moan about early release but equally moan about increased taxation to pay for more police and more prisons to lock criminals up for longer. | |
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| Release on Licence on 12:50 - Aug 25 with 965 views | BryanSwan |
| Release on Licence on 09:28 - Aug 25 by Sirjohnalot |
Morning.
That would cost billions and need many more prisons built, prison officers recruited, which won’t happen. Throwing out platitudes about longer sentences is what this Tory government has been saying for years, but the reality is, they can’t afford it.
Prison system is crumbling, Strangeways is rat infested, the prisons are full of people with severe mental health problems, the suicide rate is huge, the drug problem inside is rife. Unless we pump money into poorer areas to lift people out of poverty, to try to steer them away from a life of crime, it will continue to be a ticking time bomb.
They’ve very long sentences in America, their crime rate is worse than ours. We need to be finding a way of establishing why people are going down the road of crime and cutting into the circle of generations of families going down the same path.
The gunman fired the bullets, not the bloke that was shot.
What do you mean by eliminating him ? Capital punishment for failing to act along with murder, drug dealing ? You seriously advocating putting someone to death for his albeit disgustingly cowardly behaviour?
Finally. You’re right right in that being found not guilty doesn’t necessarily mean innocent but what do you suggest happens ? If the police say someone is guilty then that’s it ?,no trial ?
I understand this is repugnant, the killer is evil and will very likely spend the rest of his days in prison but it’s not as easy as locking everyone up for ever and killing majority of prisoners.
Do we really want to become like the Southern States of America who have executed folk with learning disabilities? |
The problem we have with our prison system is that it does not do a very good job at actually rehabilitating prisoners to be reintroduced to society.
Most are kept with other criminals, provided more contacts and then thrown out with no money or other prospects. What do we seriously expect them to do? | |
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| Release on Licence on 12:53 - Aug 25 with 958 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Release on Licence on 12:50 - Aug 25 by BryanSwan |
The problem we have with our prison system is that it does not do a very good job at actually rehabilitating prisoners to be reintroduced to society.
Most are kept with other criminals, provided more contacts and then thrown out with no money or other prospects. What do we seriously expect them to do? |
Exactly, there is no funding, it's not a vote winner. The rhetroric of this governemnt, is clear that they will not invest | | | |
| Release on Licence on 10:19 - Aug 26 with 856 views | controversial_jack |
| Release on Licence on 12:53 - Aug 25 by Sirjohnalot |
Exactly, there is no funding, it's not a vote winner. The rhetroric of this governemnt, is clear that they will not invest |
Dutch prisons are half empty, what are they getting right that we aren't? | | | |
| Release on Licence on 10:34 - Aug 26 with 854 views | BryanSwan |
| Release on Licence on 12:53 - Aug 25 by Sirjohnalot |
Exactly, there is no funding, it's not a vote winner. The rhetroric of this governemnt, is clear that they will not invest |
The way i see the current cabal is that they will underinvest and run services into the ground whilst pushing a privatisation narrative.
If you make the services bad enough less people will be against going private. Subcontracting out and privatising is where the real money is made. | |
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| Release on Licence on 10:55 - Aug 26 with 847 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Release on Licence on 10:19 - Aug 26 by controversial_jack |
Dutch prisons are half empty, what are they getting right that we aren't? |
Their prisons are purpose built to rely on rehabilitation, treatment for drugs and alcohol, and teaching, maths, trades etc. | | | |
| Release on Licence on 13:54 - Aug 26 with 815 views | majorraglan |
| Release on Licence on 12:50 - Aug 25 by BryanSwan |
The problem we have with our prison system is that it does not do a very good job at actually rehabilitating prisoners to be reintroduced to society.
Most are kept with other criminals, provided more contacts and then thrown out with no money or other prospects. What do we seriously expect them to do? |
Good point, rehabilitation is very important. Give people the chance to reform and rehabilitate themselves - if they don’t take it then the punishments should increase in severity as the offending cycle progresses.
I know a guy who had a very poor upbringing, he couldn’t read or write very well, used to drink a lot, fight etc etc. He didn't know any different. He eventually got sent down to a Young Offenders Institute. He’ll openly admit it was one of the best things that had happened to him, they taught him to read, write, discipline and got him on the path to securing a trade. He’s now married with a family, he’s got his own business, employs a bunch of guys and pays them well. There’s plenty more on the system who can be rehabilitated, if we can change them we can then focus on banging up hard core who won’t change. | | | |
| Release on Licence on 14:07 - Aug 26 with 799 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Release on Licence on 10:34 - Aug 26 by BryanSwan |
The way i see the current cabal is that they will underinvest and run services into the ground whilst pushing a privatisation narrative.
If you make the services bad enough less people will be against going private. Subcontracting out and privatising is where the real money is made. |
The American model is a massive money spinner. The prisoners produce billions of dollars of goods on as little as 12 cents an hour and in many of the southern states they don’t get paid at all.
They’ve essentially reinvented the slave trade. |  |
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| Release on Licence on 14:13 - Aug 26 with 789 views | Gwyn737 |
| Release on Licence on 14:07 - Aug 26 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The American model is a massive money spinner. The prisoners produce billions of dollars of goods on as little as 12 cents an hour and in many of the southern states they don’t get paid at all.
They’ve essentially reinvented the slave trade. |
Definitely some truth in this.
Mind you, it’s only possible with a ‘string ‘em up” mentality. | | | |
| Release on Licence on 14:34 - Aug 26 with 779 views | onehunglow |
| Release on Licence on 14:13 - Aug 26 by Gwyn737 |
Definitely some truth in this.
Mind you, it’s only possible with a ‘string ‘em up” mentality. |
What's your mentality?
Give em cuddles and blame
parents
schools
Tories
The System
When villains are inside,they are somewhat restricted in what they can do to the general public,ergo,we are safer with them behind bars.
String em up brigade eh.
Not as good as you then ? | |
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| Release on Licence on 14:47 - Aug 26 with 776 views | Gwyn737 |
| Release on Licence on 14:34 - Aug 26 by onehunglow |
What's your mentality?
Give em cuddles and blame
parents
schools
Tories
The System
When villains are inside,they are somewhat restricted in what they can do to the general public,ergo,we are safer with them behind bars.
String em up brigade eh.
Not as good as you then ? |
I’m sorry but I’ve no idea what you mean.
I’m suggesting that Joses point has some merit in that harsher sentences aren’t deterrents and the US has monetised jail time.
This can only happen if folk still support mass incarceration without any attempt at rehabilitation.
I don’t think that view is particularly controversial. | | | |
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