| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? 22:16 - Nov 29 with 1744 views | KeithHaynes |
I’m uncertain tbh, never really rated him either. |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:21 - Nov 29 with 1442 views | trampie |
They couldn't have performed any worse, in Giggs fledgling managerial career his win/lose record is good. |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:23 - Nov 29 with 1439 views | lifelong |
Whatever we may think of Robert Page he has done very well in getting us to the World Cup finals. |  | | |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:29 - Nov 29 with 1415 views | raynor94 |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:23 - Nov 29 by lifelong |
Whatever we may think of Robert Page he has done very well in getting us to the World Cup finals. |
Sorry but he has embarrassed here, his tactics have been exposed, and I can't believe he thought we were "outstanding" 1st half tonight.
Hard to believe he will see his 4 year contract out |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:58 - Nov 29 with 1386 views | lifelong |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:29 - Nov 29 by raynor94 |
Sorry but he has embarrassed here, his tactics have been exposed, and I can't believe he thought we were "outstanding" 1st half tonight.
Hard to believe he will see his 4 year contract out |
I accept that we had a poor tournament. Our tickets to the next round were Iran and the USA and we came up very short. I still maintain though that it was an excellent achievement to get to these finals. | | | |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:58 - Nov 29 with 1369 views | onehunglow |
Ramsey would still have been shite and Bale an embarrassing nonentity
I suggested he retire long ago
He is a distant memory |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:05 - Nov 29 with 1375 views | KeithHaynes |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:58 - Nov 29 by onehunglow |
Ramsey would still have been shite and Bale an embarrassing nonentity
I suggested he retire long ago
He is a distant memory |
Bale stating he won’t retire. | |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:06 - Nov 29 with 1372 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:58 - Nov 29 by lifelong |
I accept that we had a poor tournament. Our tickets to the next round were Iran and the USA and we came up very short. I still maintain though that it was an excellent achievement to get to these finals. |
Truth.
I thought first half tonight was the way to go against good teams. Counter attack based on pace.
We are not good enough on the ball to outplay England.
First 2 games were poor selections and poor results.
Well done to our two Joe’s tonight. 🦢🦢 |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:12 - Nov 29 with 1347 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:05 - Nov 29 by KeithHaynes |
Bale stating he won’t retire. |
I still think he can help us.
Why hurry to retirement ?
Yes I know this is an unpopular view. | |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:14 - Nov 29 with 1344 views | trampie |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:06 - Nov 29 by Kilkennyjack |
Truth.
I thought first half tonight was the way to go against good teams. Counter attack based on pace.
We are not good enough on the ball to outplay England.
First 2 games were poor selections and poor results.
Well done to our two Joe’s tonight. 🦢🦢 |
I also thought for a country in our position against a good team that counter attack is the way to go. | |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:21 - Nov 29 with 1331 views | trampie |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:12 - Nov 29 by Kilkennyjack |
I still think he can help us.
Why hurry to retirement ?
Yes I know this is an unpopular view. |
I agree, Bale might have to be prepared to be a substitute for some games in the future, but why hurry into retirement like you say, he could do with playing regular club games mind. | |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:54 - Nov 29 with 1312 views | Ohyeah |
I think Giggs would have faired better under Giggs for all his sins..
Nothing against Page but he seems tactically naive & let's face it we were lucky to get to the last 16 in last years Euros.
Maybe he needs to rid himself of some of his backroom staff & bring in some new blood. | | | |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 00:13 - Nov 30 with 1295 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:05 - Nov 29 by KeithHaynes |
Bale stating he won’t retire. |
There is no point in hanging about. He knows he is done. He is just perpetuating the old boys act fostered by Page. Johnny Williams given so much abuse would have performed much better than Ramsey. The team needs freshness.
Retiring Hennessy Gunter Ramsey Bale J Williams. Allen. Nothing more to offer.
Incoming Ward, Colwill, O Cooper, Cabango , Brooks, Wes Burns , Sorba Thomas, Levitt. |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 00:29 - Nov 30 with 1288 views | DJack |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 00:13 - Nov 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
There is no point in hanging about. He knows he is done. He is just perpetuating the old boys act fostered by Page. Johnny Williams given so much abuse would have performed much better than Ramsey. The team needs freshness.
Retiring Hennessy Gunter Ramsey Bale J Williams. Allen. Nothing more to offer.
Incoming Ward, Colwill, O Cooper, Cabango , Brooks, Wes Burns , Sorba Thomas, Levitt. |
Not a fan of Giggs as a person but I do believe that we would have performed better under him.
I've stated before that Page thinks tactics are orange sweets that come in a small plastic container.
Either way I'm flaming gutted about how we have bowed out. |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 00:38 - Nov 30 with 1285 views | GixerJack |
The game against England should never have been a must win and hope game, it was the other two that cost us. We were poorly prepared for both and whilst Giggs might not be a nice person I think he’s tactically better than Page |  | | |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 00:41 - Nov 30 with 1284 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 00:29 - Nov 30 by DJack |
Not a fan of Giggs as a person but I do believe that we would have performed better under him.
I've stated before that Page thinks tactics are orange sweets that come in a small plastic container.
Either way I'm flaming gutted about how we have bowed out. |
The team sort of knew they were living a lie. If I was Ampadu I would be astonished to be playing alongside Ramsey who had been 3 out of ten even by the Wales on line for three games.
Wales would certainly have been better. How can anyone justify the appalling passing and slapdash tactics. | |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 06:26 - Nov 30 with 1237 views | Dr_Winston |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 22:29 - Nov 29 by raynor94 |
Sorry but he has embarrassed here, his tactics have been exposed, and I can't believe he thought we were "outstanding" 1st half tonight.
Hard to believe he will see his 4 year contract out |
Hard to believe that he was offered one in the first place.
There's a very "Garry Monk" air about him. Delivered a few unexpectedly good results in a caretaker spell but overall played his favourites and delivered mediocrity yet got offered a long term deal on an almost kneejerk basis. |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 10:05 - Nov 30 with 1168 views | OptimisticJack |
I have never been one to criticise managers but have found myself doing so with Robert Page .
Almost from day 1 I have had doubts about him as a credible manager of Wales.
Tactically he is so limited.
I feel we got through the play offs thanks to an amazingly passionate home crowd for both fixtures and some moments of brilliance from Gareth Bale which sadly are becoming less and less.
One poster used the words limped over the line - that I feel describes it perfectly.
Our recent performances however reminded me of the bad old days and the way we used to play when we had players like Ollie Burton and Trevor Hockey in the team.
We have gone backwards at an alarming rate.
I fear we could find the next few years a real struggle as we have limited number of youngsters coming through the ranks and we have a poor manager that we could be stuck with for the next 4 years.
I am PesimisticJack as far as Wales are concerned at this moment.
A huge well done to our fans though.
They have provided such passionate support throughout. [Post edited 30 Nov 2022 10:52]
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 10:39 - Nov 30 with 1141 views | Badlands |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 23:05 - Nov 29 by KeithHaynes |
Bale stating he won’t retire. |
Shouldn’t be his call.
Free kicks and personality aside he has contributed little for two or three years. Players often seek him out for a pass when better options are available.
Do USA and Iran have better players? I think most would say no, but both were well organised and motivated … Wales was neither. |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 10:50 - Nov 30 with 1127 views | heatwave |
I doubt Giggs would have done any better. In all sports you have to have the players to have enough ability to compete against the opposition. In my opinion we come up short in that dept. There is a reason why the majority of our squad do not play at the highest level or don't even get game time. |  | | |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 11:16 - Nov 30 with 1088 views | onehunglow |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 10:39 - Nov 30 by Badlands |
Shouldn’t be his call.
Free kicks and personality aside he has contributed little for two or three years. Players often seek him out for a pass when better options are available.
Do USA and Iran have better players? I think most would say no, but both were well organised and motivated … Wales was neither. |
Bale was an anonymous. Any player should be picked on current ability . | |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 11:51 - Nov 30 with 1072 views | MrSwerve |
Page did well to get us there, but we absolutely crumbled out in Qatar. We couldn't string more than 2 or 3 passes together and rarely got in the opposition's half, let alone the final third...and I don't think that is exaggeration or hyperbole.
Yes, we're a small country and getting there was great...but I think 1 point from Iran, USA and England is unacceptable and we're better than that. Let's be honest, it could well have been zero points looking at the USA game.
Crazy to keep Page on any longer. We're a decent International squad, we should be looking at managers of a higher calibre. The whole setup needs a big refresh, it's done us well for the last 3 competitions but it's clear that it has now passed its sell-by date. |  |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 12:10 - Nov 30 with 1056 views | onehunglow |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 11:51 - Nov 30 by MrSwerve |
Page did well to get us there, but we absolutely crumbled out in Qatar. We couldn't string more than 2 or 3 passes together and rarely got in the opposition's half, let alone the final third...and I don't think that is exaggeration or hyperbole.
Yes, we're a small country and getting there was great...but I think 1 point from Iran, USA and England is unacceptable and we're better than that. Let's be honest, it could well have been zero points looking at the USA game.
Crazy to keep Page on any longer. We're a decent International squad, we should be looking at managers of a higher calibre. The whole setup needs a big refresh, it's done us well for the last 3 competitions but it's clear that it has now passed its sell-by date. |
What annoys me is the little old Wales country narrative
Wales is relatively small in size but we are not insignificant either .
We accept mediocrity and shouldn’t
We are better than this | |
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 18:15 - Nov 30 with 975 views | krunchykarrot |
Osian Roberts with a long contract is the way to go, immediately. |  | | |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 20:21 - Nov 30 with 949 views | Fireboy2 |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 11:51 - Nov 30 by MrSwerve |
Page did well to get us there, but we absolutely crumbled out in Qatar. We couldn't string more than 2 or 3 passes together and rarely got in the opposition's half, let alone the final third...and I don't think that is exaggeration or hyperbole.
Yes, we're a small country and getting there was great...but I think 1 point from Iran, USA and England is unacceptable and we're better than that. Let's be honest, it could well have been zero points looking at the USA game.
Crazy to keep Page on any longer. We're a decent International squad, we should be looking at managers of a higher calibre. The whole setup needs a big refresh, it's done us well for the last 3 competitions but it's clear that it has now passed its sell-by date. |
Yes get rid before it gets worse.
And to answer the op question, undoubtedly yes he would have, giggs has more coaching nous in his little fingers than page has totally,
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| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 14:52 - Dec 1 with 872 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Would Wales have faired any better under Giggs at the World Cup ? on 20:21 - Nov 30 by Fireboy2 |
Yes get rid before it gets worse.
And to answer the op question, undoubtedly yes he would have, giggs has more coaching nous in his little fingers than page has totally,
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Doubt it Giggs would still have had unfit Bale, Ramsey and Allen all past their best. | |
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