| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? 08:28 - Feb 12 with 4270 views | STID2017 |
It seems to me obvious now that the owners have no desire to back Martin ( as demonstrated in the January window) or sack him or reach agreement for him to leave.
I think the only logical reason for this is that they are ( as has been discussed elsewhere ) looking to sell the club and do not wish to spend a penny more than is necessary.
Of course should they be successful in selling the club with Martin in situ, it would then be incumbent on the new owners to either support Martin or replace him.
Maybe this was always their Master plan ? |  |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 08:34 - Feb 12 with 3119 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Not sure why you keep making thread after thread about this sort of thing.
They have backed him more than more manager I have seen in 30 years of supporting the club. The time and money given to him despite no repayment on the pitch is at levels I’ve never seen before.
And no, if they were selling then they wouldn’t have recently put £16m in. |  |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 08:55 - Feb 12 with 3080 views | STID2017 |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 08:34 - Feb 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not sure why you keep making thread after thread about this sort of thing.
They have backed him more than more manager I have seen in 30 years of supporting the club. The time and money given to him despite no repayment on the pitch is at levels I’ve never seen before.
And no, if they were selling then they wouldn’t have recently put £16m in. |
I was specifically discussing January ( clearly ) ?
They did not back him in Jsnuary, the only logical reason being they had lost faith in him.
So if they are of the opinion he is ( to echo your words) he is "failing", then they need to take action to sack him / reach agreement so that he can leave.
There has been much talk of the owners actively looking for a new buyer on this forum and elsewhere.
Again BTW with the £16 million ?
Why do you feel the need to constantly keep mentioning it ?
Let's be honest in football terms it is nothing today.
I believe Burnley have spent around £60 million this season to put it in perspective ?
The results of that are there for all to see - a team heading back to the Premier League.
So glad we have owners willing to take us to the "Next Level"
At this rate it will be League One next season, with or without Martin | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:00 - Feb 12 with 3066 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 08:55 - Feb 12 by STID2017 |
I was specifically discussing January ( clearly ) ?
They did not back him in Jsnuary, the only logical reason being they had lost faith in him.
So if they are of the opinion he is ( to echo your words) he is "failing", then they need to take action to sack him / reach agreement so that he can leave.
There has been much talk of the owners actively looking for a new buyer on this forum and elsewhere.
Again BTW with the £16 million ?
Why do you feel the need to constantly keep mentioning it ?
Let's be honest in football terms it is nothing today.
I believe Burnley have spent around £60 million this season to put it in perspective ?
The results of that are there for all to see - a team heading back to the Premier League.
So glad we have owners willing to take us to the "Next Level"
At this rate it will be League One next season, with or without Martin |
Of course they did. They asked him for a list of players he would like and they tried to make them happen, even offered several of them more money than they were worth.
That’s called backing him.
If players don’t want to come here there isn’t much that can be done. That comes with the territory when your manager has you in the bottom half, Swansea doesn’t seem quite as attractive then.
I mention the £16m because it’s a vital point, whether other clubs owners recklessly spend more is irrelevant. At Swansea that figure is more than anyone else has put into us in our entire history.
There has been very little talk of the owners looking for new buyers, they are looking for investors, as most club owners are. It’s an easy way to inject money into the club.
I see you used a quotation mark there of “next level” - who are you attributing that quote to, and in what context was it said? | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:12 - Feb 12 with 3048 views | Dr_Winston |
Football is a small world. In addition to the geographical situation, I don't doubt that players gossip and more than a few would think very strongly about whether it's worth uprooting themselves to work for someone with Russy's reputation for falling out with players or discarding those of no further use to him. |  |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:18 - Feb 12 with 3016 views | STID2017 |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:00 - Feb 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course they did. They asked him for a list of players he would like and they tried to make them happen, even offered several of them more money than they were worth.
That’s called backing him.
If players don’t want to come here there isn’t much that can be done. That comes with the territory when your manager has you in the bottom half, Swansea doesn’t seem quite as attractive then.
I mention the £16m because it’s a vital point, whether other clubs owners recklessly spend more is irrelevant. At Swansea that figure is more than anyone else has put into us in our entire history.
There has been very little talk of the owners looking for new buyers, they are looking for investors, as most club owners are. It’s an easy way to inject money into the club.
I see you used a quotation mark there of “next level” - who are you attributing that quote to, and in what context was it said? |
"Taking Swans to next level
Such issues have been illustrated at times this year with the money set aside to fund the academy development and the building of the first-team training ground restricting playing budget while expansion plans have been put on hold several times after plans were first mooted.
Individuals are set to benefit from the share sale having purchased original shares when the club was recovering from the Tony Petty era. It is not clear how much the US group are paying for shares, though the last offer valued the club at around £100m.
The group see their takeover as a long-term investment, with purchasing and expanding the stadium a key part of being able to grow the fan base and help boost plans of taking the club to the next level."
This is part of the Walesonline report of the time on the takeover.
Whilst it is not accredited to anyone, it clearly discusses the group who are taking over as looking at ways to get the club to the next level.
This would clearly indicate it came from the current owners, whether through Levien or Kaplan or indirectly through Jenkins.
There have never been any disclaimers from the current owners to say this wasn't their intention.
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:19 - Feb 12 with 3012 views | onehunglow |
Pointless them running down an asset .
They made a bad coach choice and need to accept that .
We all do.
We have to stay up |  |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:22 - Feb 12 with 3003 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:18 - Feb 12 by STID2017 |
"Taking Swans to next level
Such issues have been illustrated at times this year with the money set aside to fund the academy development and the building of the first-team training ground restricting playing budget while expansion plans have been put on hold several times after plans were first mooted.
Individuals are set to benefit from the share sale having purchased original shares when the club was recovering from the Tony Petty era. It is not clear how much the US group are paying for shares, though the last offer valued the club at around £100m.
The group see their takeover as a long-term investment, with purchasing and expanding the stadium a key part of being able to grow the fan base and help boost plans of taking the club to the next level."
This is part of the Walesonline report of the time on the takeover.
Whilst it is not accredited to anyone, it clearly discusses the group who are taking over as looking at ways to get the club to the next level.
This would clearly indicate it came from the current owners, whether through Levien or Kaplan or indirectly through Jenkins.
There have never been any disclaimers from the current owners to say this wasn't their intention.
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So you are attributing a quote to the owners… to someone like Ian Mitchelmore?
This is the issue when people clumsily put in quotes without context. Who cares what Ian Mitchelmore and his cronies think the intentions are. They don’t even state in what context, financially? Commercially?
You don’t add disclaimers to quotes you don’t make.
Let’s stick to facts please when discussing quotes. | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:28 - Feb 12 with 2992 views | onehunglow |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:22 - Feb 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
So you are attributing a quote to the owners… to someone like Ian Mitchelmore?
This is the issue when people clumsily put in quotes without context. Who cares what Ian Mitchelmore and his cronies think the intentions are. They don’t even state in what context, financially? Commercially?
You don’t add disclaimers to quotes you don’t make.
Let’s stick to facts please when discussing quotes. |
Morning Dr .
Did you read or hear his quotes after the game ? | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:30 - Feb 12 with 2989 views | STID2017 |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:22 - Feb 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
So you are attributing a quote to the owners… to someone like Ian Mitchelmore?
This is the issue when people clumsily put in quotes without context. Who cares what Ian Mitchelmore and his cronies think the intentions are. They don’t even state in what context, financially? Commercially?
You don’t add disclaimers to quotes you don’t make.
Let’s stick to facts please when discussing quotes. |
The quote is from a Walesonline report ?
It's validity or otherwise is for all readers to accept of not accept as they wish.
That is the fact.
Not sure why you think that it would not have been said ?
After all I imagine any new owners when announcing a takeover are going to talk about their ambitions for the club ?
To build upon and improve on what the previous owners had done had to be paramount I that?
I.e taking us to the next level ( in those words or any others you may use ) | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:30 - Feb 12 with 2985 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:28 - Feb 12 by onehunglow |
Morning Dr .
Did you read or hear his quotes after the game ? |
I didn’t, straight to bed after the game. I amazed I lasted the 90 mins.
His comments are usually an evening activity if I feel I can face it, I’m not sure whether to do so. | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:36 - Feb 12 with 2983 views | onehunglow |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:30 - Feb 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
I didn’t, straight to bed after the game. I amazed I lasted the 90 mins.
His comments are usually an evening activity if I feel I can face it, I’m not sure whether to do so. |
I’ve long given up.it truly upsets me .
I was otherwise watching Wales which was actually worse .
Welsh sport in a shocking state | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:42 - Feb 12 with 2970 views | johnlangy |
I just voted in the poll and blamed RM and the owners equally.
We have the fourth highest goals for in the league. Only the top three are better. And yet he's unable to coach the defence to defend properly. Unable is the correct word because he's had 18 months so far and they still defend like amateurs at times. And that's his fault. No one else's.
And the owners ? I said like many others that if we were to get in a proper right back and dependable (experienced ?) striker that would give us a huge lift in trying to get into the playoffs. How RM would coach the new defender to defend is another question but right back is definitely a very weak area.
And getting those two players in would cost effectively nothing bearing in mind the money coming from Burnley for Oba plus the savings already made with him and other players leaving. So the owners would not have to spend a penny. | | | |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:48 - Feb 12 with 2943 views | onehunglow |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:42 - Feb 12 by johnlangy |
I just voted in the poll and blamed RM and the owners equally.
We have the fourth highest goals for in the league. Only the top three are better. And yet he's unable to coach the defence to defend properly. Unable is the correct word because he's had 18 months so far and they still defend like amateurs at times. And that's his fault. No one else's.
And the owners ? I said like many others that if we were to get in a proper right back and dependable (experienced ?) striker that would give us a huge lift in trying to get into the playoffs. How RM would coach the new defender to defend is another question but right back is definitely a very weak area.
And getting those two players in would cost effectively nothing bearing in mind the money coming from Burnley for Oba plus the savings already made with him and other players leaving. So the owners would not have to spend a penny. |
Seems logical doesn’t it.?
We have sliced our own veins | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:50 - Feb 12 with 2942 views | STID2017 |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:42 - Feb 12 by johnlangy |
I just voted in the poll and blamed RM and the owners equally.
We have the fourth highest goals for in the league. Only the top three are better. And yet he's unable to coach the defence to defend properly. Unable is the correct word because he's had 18 months so far and they still defend like amateurs at times. And that's his fault. No one else's.
And the owners ? I said like many others that if we were to get in a proper right back and dependable (experienced ?) striker that would give us a huge lift in trying to get into the playoffs. How RM would coach the new defender to defend is another question but right back is definitely a very weak area.
And getting those two players in would cost effectively nothing bearing in mind the money coming from Burnley for Oba plus the savings already made with him and other players leaving. So the owners would not have to spend a penny. |
Excellent post.
Not much to disagree with, although as I have stated before, the owners are ultimately culpable.
IMHO [Post edited 12 Feb 2023 9:51]
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:11 - Feb 12 with 2902 views | raynor94 |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:50 - Feb 12 by STID2017 |
Excellent post.
Not much to disagree with, although as I have stated before, the owners are ultimately culpable.
IMHO [Post edited 12 Feb 2023 9:51]
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Didn't we agree a deal with Exeter for their right back? But he turned the opportunity down.
Why do you think the owners are ultimately culpable? |  |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:18 - Feb 12 with 2875 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:11 - Feb 12 by raynor94 |
Didn't we agree a deal with Exeter for their right back? But he turned the opportunity down.
Why do you think the owners are ultimately culpable? |
Yep.
Didn’t want to move to Swansea. We offered him more money to counter balance that and he still said no.
Ironically that would have been after speaking to Martin.
We are in bad shape in the league, people don’t want to turn against Martin because they see if as admitting defeat so they are blaming the owners.
Even going as far as saying he should be replaced… but only for his well-being. It’s utterly bizarre.
Nothing to do with the fact he’s written off a whole season where we finished 15th to guide us to… yep 15th going into the back end of the season. | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:26 - Feb 12 with 2857 views | magicdaps10 |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:11 - Feb 12 by raynor94 |
Didn't we agree a deal with Exeter for their right back? But he turned the opportunity down.
Why do you think the owners are ultimately culpable? |
No, we had a couple of bids turned down for him.
I fact I think Exeter went public after stating they turned down bids for a few of their players....Key included. |  |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:27 - Feb 12 with 2853 views | vetchonian |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 09:12 - Feb 12 by Dr_Winston |
Football is a small world. In addition to the geographical situation, I don't doubt that players gossip and more than a few would think very strongly about whether it's worth uprooting themselves to work for someone with Russy's reputation for falling out with players or discarding those of no further use to him. |
If you were a player approached to come here told our manager has targeted you how would you feel looking at the club seeing two of his targets players from his previous club players he knows well not starting and warning the bench would you be encouraged to join? | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:30 - Feb 12 with 2845 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:26 - Feb 12 by magicdaps10 |
No, we had a couple of bids turned down for him.
I fact I think Exeter went public after stating they turned down bids for a few of their players....Key included. |
They did turn down some bids, they aren’t wrong. They didn’t turn down all bids though.
Fact. | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:31 - Feb 12 with 2841 views | STID2017 |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:11 - Feb 12 by raynor94 |
Didn't we agree a deal with Exeter for their right back? But he turned the opportunity down.
Why do you think the owners are ultimately culpable? |
IMHO they failed to back him in Jsnusry.
TBH they owners remind me of one of those families that know from December 26th there is 12 months to Christmas, yet start panicking in mid December, complaing they haven't got money or rushing around like blue arsed flies, buying presents etc and hoping for last minute bargains that seldom materialise.
Instead of the owners getting their business done early, they leave it until the last minute ( if that is what they expect us to believe happened ) and then say " Sorry we couldn't sign anyone but ... " and come out with excuses.
Of course the shelves are emptier if you wait until the end of January | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:31 - Feb 12 with 2836 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:27 - Feb 12 by vetchonian |
If you were a player approached to come here told our manager has targeted you how would you feel looking at the club seeing two of his targets players from his previous club players he knows well not starting and warning the bench would you be encouraged to join? |
Three including Sorinola. | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:49 - Feb 12 with 2819 views | GixerJack |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:11 - Feb 12 by raynor94 |
Didn't we agree a deal with Exeter for their right back? But he turned the opportunity down.
Why do you think the owners are ultimately culpable? |
According to this local news report from 2nd Feb the offers were rejected due to being too low
“Exeter City manager Gary Caldwell insists that wanted men Josh Key and Jevani Brown are fully committed to the Grecians’ cause, despite seeing bids for their services turned down in the January transfer window.
Key seems to be linked with a move away from Devon every time the window opens these days, but Caldwell said that while there was strong interest, the bids for Key or Brown were barely worth contemplating”. |  | | |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 11:17 - Feb 12 with 2776 views | magicdaps10 |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 10:49 - Feb 12 by GixerJack |
According to this local news report from 2nd Feb the offers were rejected due to being too low
“Exeter City manager Gary Caldwell insists that wanted men Josh Key and Jevani Brown are fully committed to the Grecians’ cause, despite seeing bids for their services turned down in the January transfer window.
Key seems to be linked with a move away from Devon every time the window opens these days, but Caldwell said that while there was strong interest, the bids for Key or Brown were barely worth contemplating”. |
Thought I read something but the bids we put in were really low, it's the reasoning behind the words that stated that we were willing to pay more........in other words they would be free agents come the summer.
Saying that, Exeter from what I am led to believe wanted a silly figure for the guy.......we didn't come close to that figure and rightly so. | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 11:21 - Feb 12 with 2770 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 11:17 - Feb 12 by magicdaps10 |
Thought I read something but the bids we put in were really low, it's the reasoning behind the words that stated that we were willing to pay more........in other words they would be free agents come the summer.
Saying that, Exeter from what I am led to believe wanted a silly figure for the guy.......we didn't come close to that figure and rightly so. |
 I love your inaccurate info, it never fails to amuse. | |
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| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 12:06 - Feb 12 with 2730 views | GixerJack |
| A Big Possible Reason Why The Owners Won't Sack Martin ? on 11:17 - Feb 12 by magicdaps10 |
Thought I read something but the bids we put in were really low, it's the reasoning behind the words that stated that we were willing to pay more........in other words they would be free agents come the summer.
Saying that, Exeter from what I am led to believe wanted a silly figure for the guy.......we didn't come close to that figure and rightly so. |
His contract ends in the summer and Exeter are in the running for promotion.
My guess is that he’s hedging his bets, if they do get promoted they’ll offer him a better contract if they don’t get promoted he gets a big signing on fee elsewhere.
From the clubs perspective the spoils of getting promoted by retaining their best players in January outstrips the transfer fee offered then.
It could still all go Kwasi Kwarteng for both or either party mind | | | |
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