| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere 15:40 - Feb 20 with 1805 views | SwansIndependent |
 Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere 20th Feb 2023 15:39Ryan Manning, very much as expected has made the decision to move on at the end of this season after a successful time at Swansea City for him personally. Never once refusing to play or placing the team in jeopardy the Irish international can look back favourably on his time in west Wales.  0
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 18:40 - Feb 20 with 1535 views | EagleEye |
It’s clear that the club will not bow to Mannings wage demands, good luck to him he has improved significantly since joining us - much of this down to the coaching team. Opportunity missed not giving him an extension that could well cost the club more to find an able replacement in the long run
Not sure how much more of a ‘major downturn in performance’ is required. Can it get much worse than 3 wins in 16 games ?
Agree the next 2 home games could be crucial - what would be an acceptable return ? 2 draws, 1 win ? How low are we setting the bar to say we are avoiding a major downturn.
Long time season ticket holders failing to renew in their droves could well be the deciding factor in the future for Russell |  | | |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 18:48 - Feb 20 with 1516 views | Whiterockin |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 18:40 - Feb 20 by EagleEye |
It’s clear that the club will not bow to Mannings wage demands, good luck to him he has improved significantly since joining us - much of this down to the coaching team. Opportunity missed not giving him an extension that could well cost the club more to find an able replacement in the long run
Not sure how much more of a ‘major downturn in performance’ is required. Can it get much worse than 3 wins in 16 games ?
Agree the next 2 home games could be crucial - what would be an acceptable return ? 2 draws, 1 win ? How low are we setting the bar to say we are avoiding a major downturn.
Long time season ticket holders failing to renew in their droves could well be the deciding factor in the future for Russell |
We have had " the next match is crucial" for a while now and nothing changes. It looks like as long as RM keeps the club financially on an even keel he is going nowhere. One player sale a year probably makes up for any season ticket shortfall. |  | | |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 19:28 - Feb 20 with 1462 views | swan65split |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 18:48 - Feb 20 by Whiterockin |
We have had " the next match is crucial" for a while now and nothing changes. It looks like as long as RM keeps the club financially on an even keel he is going nowhere. One player sale a year probably makes up for any season ticket shortfall. |
May be more than 1 this summer! |  | | |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:10 - Feb 20 with 1415 views | magicdaps10 |
Bit of frustration in Martins words, losing a decent player and doesn't know what they will replace him with if anyone!
They had an incline he was off a few months ago but yet again......no plan, no idea, no thought as usual from the owners.
Time to stand up and atleast look like they care. |  |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:18 - Feb 20 with 1399 views | EagleEye |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 18:48 - Feb 20 by Whiterockin |
We have had " the next match is crucial" for a while now and nothing changes. It looks like as long as RM keeps the club financially on an even keel he is going nowhere. One player sale a year probably makes up for any season ticket shortfall. |
How many sellable assets do we have who would command a fee over £1m in these difficult times based on this season’s performances ?
Piroe, Grimes, Whittaker … the cupboard is bare, our whole squad is not worth a lot. The power of season ticket sales should not be underestimated.
In addition would anyone trust this lot to be capable of signing adequate replacements ? | | | |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:32 - Feb 20 with 1388 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:18 - Feb 20 by EagleEye |
How many sellable assets do we have who would command a fee over £1m in these difficult times based on this season’s performances ?
Piroe, Grimes, Whittaker … the cupboard is bare, our whole squad is not worth a lot. The power of season ticket sales should not be underestimated.
In addition would anyone trust this lot to be capable of signing adequate replacements ? |
Nobody wanted Grimes when they could have had him for free. Optimistic to add him to a list of potential high value sales.
We could probably get decent coin for Piroe and Cooper as it stands. Maybe Whittaker if Martin hasn't ruined him by the end of the season. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:39 - Feb 20 with 1373 views | Whiterockin |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:18 - Feb 20 by EagleEye |
How many sellable assets do we have who would command a fee over £1m in these difficult times based on this season’s performances ?
Piroe, Grimes, Whittaker … the cupboard is bare, our whole squad is not worth a lot. The power of season ticket sales should not be underestimated.
In addition would anyone trust this lot to be capable of signing adequate replacements ? |
Cooper.
You only need a £2M sale to make up a loss if 4,000 season tickets. Easily done, some need to just look at finances and work out how to balance the books. | | | |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:42 - Feb 20 with 1371 views | EagleEye |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:32 - Feb 20 by Dr_Winston |
Nobody wanted Grimes when they could have had him for free. Optimistic to add him to a list of potential high value sales.
We could probably get decent coin for Piroe and Cooper as it stands. Maybe Whittaker if Martin hasn't ruined him by the end of the season. |
I get that Grimes divides opinion but he has played nearly every minute of nearly every game under Potter, Cooper & Martin. To suggest that Cooper is worth more than him at this moment in time is absurd … maybe in 12 months time if he continues to improve | | | |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:45 - Feb 20 with 1367 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:42 - Feb 20 by EagleEye |
I get that Grimes divides opinion but he has played nearly every minute of nearly every game under Potter, Cooper & Martin. To suggest that Cooper is worth more than him at this moment in time is absurd … maybe in 12 months time if he continues to improve |
It's a simple statement of fact. His contract had less than six months to run and nobody bothered offering him more than we did.
I will grant that perhaps we were catastrophically stupid in rushing to offer a payrise to a player with no other serious options. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 21:28 - Feb 20 with 1296 views | max936 |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 18:48 - Feb 20 by Whiterockin |
We have had " the next match is crucial" for a while now and nothing changes. It looks like as long as RM keeps the club financially on an even keel he is going nowhere. One player sale a year probably makes up for any season ticket shortfall. |
Surely Martins sole remit should be to get the team performing, there's other's there who should be doing the finer details to sign players and sort the finances out.
Some people on here seem to think its Martin who is spending the money, it's obviously not, he's got an input into who comes in and who goes out, but he's not got the final say, surely the January debacle tells us this.
The above isn't meant to be directed at you WR, just my general observation of some people's post's. |  |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 21:36 - Feb 20 with 1280 views | max936 |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:39 - Feb 20 by Whiterockin |
Cooper.
You only need a £2M sale to make up a loss if 4,000 season tickets. Easily done, some need to just look at finances and work out how to balance the books. |
But that 2m could be spent elsewhere if fans were entertained and therefore renewed their ST's, if the owners had a clear vision in going forward which they clearly haven't, they wouldn't need to scrimp, we must be close to having very little assets left.
Next Level and Sustainability Init! | |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 21:39 - Feb 20 with 1275 views | cadleigh |
On Martin going nowhere, but also not being offered talks on contract extension, it looks like the owners are hoping he'll walk rather than them having to pay him compensation to buy him out of the last year of his contract. It was stupid of the club to offer a three-year contract to a rookie manager whose greatest achievement was successive mid-table finishes in the league below. Two years with an option to extend by mutual agreement would have been far more sensible. | |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 21:39 - Feb 20 with 1275 views | Fireboy2 |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 21:36 - Feb 20 by max936 |
But that 2m could be spent elsewhere if fans were entertained and therefore renewed their ST's, if the owners had a clear vision in going forward which they clearly haven't, they wouldn't need to scrimp, we must be close to having very little assets left.
Next Level and Sustainability Init! |
This ^ big style. |  | | |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 23:27 - Feb 20 with 1192 views | GixerJack |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:39 - Feb 20 by Whiterockin |
Cooper.
You only need a £2M sale to make up a loss if 4,000 season tickets. Easily done, some need to just look at finances and work out how to balance the books. |
It’s not just the 4000 tickets though, it’s the 4000 people who won’t spend money in the stadium, 4000 x £2.50 for a cup of tea is £10,000 every home game, throw in a couple of cup games and it’s close to quarter of a million.
It soon mounts up when you think about it |  | | |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 23:42 - Feb 20 with 1184 views | KeithHaynes |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 18:40 - Feb 20 by EagleEye |
It’s clear that the club will not bow to Mannings wage demands, good luck to him he has improved significantly since joining us - much of this down to the coaching team. Opportunity missed not giving him an extension that could well cost the club more to find an able replacement in the long run
Not sure how much more of a ‘major downturn in performance’ is required. Can it get much worse than 3 wins in 16 games ?
Agree the next 2 home games could be crucial - what would be an acceptable return ? 2 draws, 1 win ? How low are we setting the bar to say we are avoiding a major downturn.
Long time season ticket holders failing to renew in their droves could well be the deciding factor in the future for Russell |
Two wins nothing less. |  |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 23:44 - Feb 20 with 1181 views | KeithHaynes |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:45 - Feb 20 by Dr_Winston |
It's a simple statement of fact. His contract had less than six months to run and nobody bothered offering him more than we did.
I will grant that perhaps we were catastrophically stupid in rushing to offer a payrise to a player with no other serious options. |
He has multiple option plus his signing on fee. | |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 01:02 - Feb 21 with 1124 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 23:27 - Feb 20 by GixerJack |
It’s not just the 4000 tickets though, it’s the 4000 people who won’t spend money in the stadium, 4000 x £2.50 for a cup of tea is £10,000 every home game, throw in a couple of cup games and it’s close to quarter of a million.
It soon mounts up when you think about it |
The knock on effect of sponsorship too, less footfall = less eyes on their company name placement/advertisement.
It instantly becomes less valuable.
Impulse merchandise too would probably be a decent chunk of overall merchandise sales. Footfall in the club shop would always be many multiples higher on a match day than a regular week day. |  |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 06:17 - Feb 21 with 1067 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 23:44 - Feb 20 by KeithHaynes |
He has multiple option plus his signing on fee. |
Key word there is "serious".
There's no way he would have turned down a genuine promotion candidate or a side offering more money (who by and large would have been the same). He held out long enough waiting for one to come in. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 09:10 - Feb 21 with 958 views | Whiterockin |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 21:36 - Feb 20 by max936 |
But that 2m could be spent elsewhere if fans were entertained and therefore renewed their ST's, if the owners had a clear vision in going forward which they clearly haven't, they wouldn't need to scrimp, we must be close to having very little assets left.
Next Level and Sustainability Init! |
Totally agree, to me it seems we are just treading water until they can off load and they think RM is the man to do it for them. | | | |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 09:50 - Feb 21 with 901 views | KeithHaynes |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 06:17 - Feb 21 by Dr_Winston |
Key word there is "serious".
There's no way he would have turned down a genuine promotion candidate or a side offering more money (who by and large would have been the same). He held out long enough waiting for one to come in. |
Haven’t really looked in to it, but intend to.
I won’t assume just yet, but I have to say I admire the way he has gone about this. | |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 10:09 - Feb 21 with 867 views | 3swan |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 09:50 - Feb 21 by KeithHaynes |
Haven’t really looked in to it, but intend to.
I won’t assume just yet, but I have to say I admire the way he has gone about this. |
Just to clarify was DR_W comment about Grimes and you commenting on Manning? | | | |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 10:11 - Feb 21 with 860 views | KeithHaynes |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 10:09 - Feb 21 by 3swan |
Just to clarify was DR_W comment about Grimes and you commenting on Manning? |
I thought Manning 💠| |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 10:14 - Feb 21 with 834 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 20:10 - Feb 20 by magicdaps10 |
Bit of frustration in Martins words, losing a decent player and doesn't know what they will replace him with if anyone!
They had an incline he was off a few months ago but yet again......no plan, no idea, no thought as usual from the owners.
Time to stand up and atleast look like they care. |
Martin should get the team playing higher up the league then, his usual deflection and blame game won’t work with those that know what’s what.
And neither will the suggestion that we should sign players incase players don’t sign contracts. It’s not how it works, as much as it’s convenient to make as many digs to the people keeping this club solvent to try and absolve others.
Maybe he should start playing the players he brought in for a start before thinking of getting even more. | |
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| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 10:15 - Feb 21 with 831 views | 3swan |
| Ryan Manning to move on & Martin’s comments indicate he is going nowhere on 10:11 - Feb 21 by KeithHaynes |
I thought Manning 💠|
Looking back at the thread I got the impression that he was commenting on Grimes. | | | |
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