| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away 14:19 - Oct 2 with 878 views | KeithHaynes |
Shame, we did a lot of work on him regards features etc when he came to us from Brighton. |  |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:26 - Oct 2 with 845 views | onehunglow |
Not the only one though. A cooper screw up.
A talent that was misused.As is the case with Kyle Joseph,Whittaker and Downes who should be captain .
Our wonder board have much to answer for. |  |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:28 - Oct 2 with 851 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea fans have odd ideas about centre forwards over the years. South West Wales a has not produced a 6ft+ squared jawed no 9 for decades. Hartson of course but he went to Luton.
Swansea fans were very sniffy about Surridge before Goykeres arrived. Boti Biabbi and Baker Richardson were given every chance and modestly talented players but still way better than anything in south west Wales.
The truth is mobile strong no 9 good in the air and on the ground and relatively mobile who can score are as RARE AS HEN'S TEETH. Swansea academy have not produced one home grown one. The club even let Ali Hamadi go and replaced by little fellas. |  |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:34 - Oct 2 with 818 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:28 - Oct 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea fans have odd ideas about centre forwards over the years. South West Wales a has not produced a 6ft+ squared jawed no 9 for decades. Hartson of course but he went to Luton.
Swansea fans were very sniffy about Surridge before Goykeres arrived. Boti Biabbi and Baker Richardson were given every chance and modestly talented players but still way better than anything in south west Wales.
The truth is mobile strong no 9 good in the air and on the ground and relatively mobile who can score are as RARE AS HEN'S TEETH. Swansea academy have not produced one home grown one. The club even let Ali Hamadi go and replaced by little fellas. |
Nobody was asking for one. That’s your misunderstanding and of what was required by a number 9 last season.
Piroe is a number 9. Holds the ball, brings the midfield into attack and often fills the join between midfield and attack. Could hardly call him a Hartson type.
It doesn’t mean a 6 foot square jawed Harrison type target man. We didn’t play the game for a target man, we wanted a number 9.
They aren’t the same thing.
Gyokeres was awful last season, which is why he could barely muster a start under all 3 managers he played for. |  |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:36 - Oct 2 with 812 views | NotLoyal |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:34 - Oct 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nobody was asking for one. That’s your misunderstanding and of what was required by a number 9 last season.
Piroe is a number 9. Holds the ball, brings the midfield into attack and often fills the join between midfield and attack. Could hardly call him a Hartson type.
It doesn’t mean a 6 foot square jawed Harrison type target man. We didn’t play the game for a target man, we wanted a number 9.
They aren’t the same thing.
Gyokeres was awful last season, which is why he could barely muster a start under all 3 managers he played for. |
It's all I can think of as well as some form of comfort. |  |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:44 - Oct 2 with 781 views | onehunglow |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:36 - Oct 2 by NotLoyal |
It's all I can think of as well as some form of comfort. |
There is no comfort from this mate.
Hate it but that's the way I see it.
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles | |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:51 - Oct 2 with 768 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:34 - Oct 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nobody was asking for one. That’s your misunderstanding and of what was required by a number 9 last season.
Piroe is a number 9. Holds the ball, brings the midfield into attack and often fills the join between midfield and attack. Could hardly call him a Hartson type.
It doesn’t mean a 6 foot square jawed Harrison type target man. We didn’t play the game for a target man, we wanted a number 9.
They aren’t the same thing.
Gyokeres was awful last season, which is why he could barely muster a start under all 3 managers he played for. |
A 6ft+ no 9 is a pretty open brief. A pretty low entrance bar I think you would agree. Swansea have produced 6-8 local 6 ft+ centre backs over the last 10 -15 years
Goykeres was average last season under Cooper's tutelage. He was good player last season and a good player this season as he is proving. He was decent in the FA cup.
Goykeres could not get a games putting £10m Maupay on the bench which is not surprising and was looking for a home. Swansea should have more faith in him and their own scouting team recommendations. You state " It appears he has certainly put in the work since". (work done by Robbins and profited from by Robbins). | |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:58 - Oct 2 with 746 views | magicdaps10 |
Wasn't given a chance! |  |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 15:03 - Oct 2 with 732 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:51 - Oct 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
A 6ft+ no 9 is a pretty open brief. A pretty low entrance bar I think you would agree. Swansea have produced 6-8 local 6 ft+ centre backs over the last 10 -15 years
Goykeres was average last season under Cooper's tutelage. He was good player last season and a good player this season as he is proving. He was decent in the FA cup.
Goykeres could not get a games putting £10m Maupay on the bench which is not surprising and was looking for a home. Swansea should have more faith in him and their own scouting team recommendations. You state " It appears he has certainly put in the work since". (work done by Robbins and profited from by Robbins). |
I think last season you wanted Garrick starting over Gyokeres if I remember correctly, you also advocated for the American off season loans and stated that because you said Gyokeres wasn’t very good.
It wasn’t just Maupay he couldn’t budge, it was also the Coventry striker. He spent most of his time on the bench there too. | |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 15:03 - Oct 2 with 731 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 14:58 - Oct 2 by magicdaps10 |
Wasn't given a chance! |
Cooper couldn’t have got the best of any striker with his defensive tactics. |  |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 15:14 - Oct 2 with 708 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 15:03 - Oct 2 by Brynmill_Jack |
Cooper couldn’t have got the best of any striker with his defensive tactics. |
Rhian Brewster could not be reached for comment. | |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 16:04 - Oct 2 with 629 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 15:03 - Oct 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think last season you wanted Garrick starting over Gyokeres if I remember correctly, you also advocated for the American off season loans and stated that because you said Gyokeres wasn’t very good.
It wasn’t just Maupay he couldn’t budge, it was also the Coventry striker. He spent most of his time on the bench there too. |
The debate perhaps is, is Goykeres a good player or not?
The Swansea scouting team reckoned he was and the manager chose not to pick him or keep him to develop. The manager cast him aside despite having no other alternatives.
In hindsight the manager made a bad call. The scouting team provided him with a good young player. Such young players are rare and need careful treatment accordingly. | |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 16:18 - Oct 2 with 616 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 16:04 - Oct 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The debate perhaps is, is Goykeres a good player or not?
The Swansea scouting team reckoned he was and the manager chose not to pick him or keep him to develop. The manager cast him aside despite having no other alternatives.
In hindsight the manager made a bad call. The scouting team provided him with a good young player. Such young players are rare and need careful treatment accordingly. |
The debate is was Gyokeres deserving of a starting spot last year.
Neither us, Brighton or Coventry thought so last season and he did nothing in the time he did have to prove that call was incorrect.
This is a different season, he’s deserving of starts this year. | |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 17:21 - Oct 2 with 577 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 16:18 - Oct 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
The debate is was Gyokeres deserving of a starting spot last year.
Neither us, Brighton or Coventry thought so last season and he did nothing in the time he did have to prove that call was incorrect.
This is a different season, he’s deserving of starts this year. |
The debate is in the heading. Goykeres it seems is a player that needs time on the grass whether he deserved it or not (an subjective judgement).
Was he the "one the got away" ? You bet. Was Swansea short of a decent no 9 last season. No they were not. At the start of last season Cooper had all the tools. Lowe, Ayew Goykeres backed up by Gibbs White. More than decent. | |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 17:25 - Oct 2 with 571 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 17:21 - Oct 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The debate is in the heading. Goykeres it seems is a player that needs time on the grass whether he deserved it or not (an subjective judgement).
Was he the "one the got away" ? You bet. Was Swansea short of a decent no 9 last season. No they were not. At the start of last season Cooper had all the tools. Lowe, Ayew Goykeres backed up by Gibbs White. More than decent. |
One that got away would suggest that he is someone we should have signed this year and had no inference of last year.
If you think we should have signed him this pre season then that’s a board issue, not a Cooper one. You will have to ask them why they picked Piroe instead (I wouldn’t swap).
Yes Swansea we’re absolutely short of a decent number 9 last year, we didn’t have one deserving of a start, which is why we put a winger there for most of it. | |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 17:52 - Oct 2 with 555 views | Chief |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 17:25 - Oct 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
One that got away would suggest that he is someone we should have signed this year and had no inference of last year.
If you think we should have signed him this pre season then that’s a board issue, not a Cooper one. You will have to ask them why they picked Piroe instead (I wouldn’t swap).
Yes Swansea we’re absolutely short of a decent number 9 last year, we didn’t have one deserving of a start, which is why we put a winger there for most of it. |
A winger who notched 14 goals.
Gyorkeres wasn't worthy of a starting place (barely a bench place).
The whole point is completely irrelevant and moot.
Say Cooper persisted with him more last season, how much more gametime did he need? He made 14 appearances and played in the cups (in half a season). Would playing him more last season have realistically bettered our season? Probably not, playing him more probably meant playing the front 2 less and their goal tally. And we won lots of narrow games, chances are we'd be worse off waiting Gyorkeres to come good.
Different story if he showed any promise in those appearances but he really didn't.
Say he hits it off and he plays more and stays all season, well he's then not joining us permanently because he's scored a lot. Brighton sold him for peanut's based on his poor form.
Oh and suddenly now Cooper was meant to give a chance to loan players now. Developing them for somebody else I thought that was? Oh Cullen oh and Garrick didn't play enough.
People should think things through before posting. Think about how things would have worked in practice.
You can't have it all ways. |  |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 18:01 - Oct 2 with 541 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 17:52 - Oct 2 by Chief |
A winger who notched 14 goals.
Gyorkeres wasn't worthy of a starting place (barely a bench place).
The whole point is completely irrelevant and moot.
Say Cooper persisted with him more last season, how much more gametime did he need? He made 14 appearances and played in the cups (in half a season). Would playing him more last season have realistically bettered our season? Probably not, playing him more probably meant playing the front 2 less and their goal tally. And we won lots of narrow games, chances are we'd be worse off waiting Gyorkeres to come good.
Different story if he showed any promise in those appearances but he really didn't.
Say he hits it off and he plays more and stays all season, well he's then not joining us permanently because he's scored a lot. Brighton sold him for peanut's based on his poor form.
Oh and suddenly now Cooper was meant to give a chance to loan players now. Developing them for somebody else I thought that was? Oh Cullen oh and Garrick didn't play enough.
People should think things through before posting. Think about how things would have worked in practice.
You can't have it all ways. |
Correct, you don’t deserve a spot just because you are on loan.
You have to earn it. You do that in training and in the time you have on the pitch, it’s how everyone earns their spot.
He didn’t do enough, for any of the 3 clubs he represented last season. | |
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| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 18:07 - Oct 2 with 529 views | Chief |
| Gyökeres the one that definitely got away on 17:21 - Oct 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The debate is in the heading. Goykeres it seems is a player that needs time on the grass whether he deserved it or not (an subjective judgement).
Was he the "one the got away" ? You bet. Was Swansea short of a decent no 9 last season. No they were not. At the start of last season Cooper had all the tools. Lowe, Ayew Goykeres backed up by Gibbs White. More than decent. |
Does the 'time on the grass' point stack up too?
We know he didn't perform last season but we know he wasn't a starter for us or Cov.
Now this season he scored in Coventrys first game. By dint of it being the first game of the season, he by that point could not possibly be deemed to have had much 'time on the grass'. He scored in their third game too. Again very early on, and off the back of a bit part end to the previous season.
It's not like Coventry played him persisting through a barren spell and then he came good. So that point doesn't stack up either sorry. | |
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