| MP's second jobs 11:08 - Nov 9 with 1443 views | Catullus |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/exp
It's these advisers and consultants jobs that are the problem. How can 192 or 288 hours per year be worth 60k? That's 312 and 208 pounds per hour by the way. What advice is worth that much? Inside information probably, things that aren't supposed to be for public consumption yet but early knowledge gives a business edge. As well as the likelihood of advocacy in Parliament, Paterson won't be the only one guilty of this, he just was the only one caught this time.
I bet that's what hurt Paterson the most, he could probably names dozens of others who are doing the same things. |  |
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| MP's second jobs on 11:10 - Nov 9 with 1148 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
And that is exactly why so many of them were falling over themselves to get him off the hook. | | | |
| MP's second jobs on 11:21 - Nov 9 with 1137 views | Lohengrin |
Lobbying, unless it’s being done on behalf of a registered charity, should be rendered completely out of bounds for sitting MPs. That’s it. Full stop.
I’d go further, a seven-year prohibition on lobbying ought to be introduced for former Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet Ministers after they have left Parliament as they would still be in possession of privileged, inside information.
A wholesale prohibition on any ‘paid’ second jobs for MPs would, however, be rendered unworkable by the probable list of exemptions. An MP could be a surgeon, a Territorial Army Officer, an author or columnist, perhaps? The list goes on and on of entirely honourable exceptions. [Post edited 10 Nov 2021 10:37]
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| MP's second jobs on 16:07 - Nov 9 with 1076 views | Professor |
| MP's second jobs on 11:21 - Nov 9 by Lohengrin |
Lobbying, unless it’s being done on behalf of a registered charity, should be rendered completely out of bounds for sitting MPs. That’s it. Full stop.
I’d go further, a seven-year prohibition on lobbying ought to be introduced for former Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet Ministers after they have left Parliament as they would still be in possession of privileged, inside information.
A wholesale prohibition on any ‘paid’ second jobs for MPs would, however, be rendered unworkable by the probable list of exemptions. An MP could be a surgeon, a Territorial Army Officer, an author or columnist, perhaps? The list goes on and on of entirely honourable exceptions. [Post edited 10 Nov 2021 10:37]
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Rosena Allin-Khan is a good example. Labour MP for Tooting, still works a few shifts as a hospital medic which helps maintain GMC registration. I see no issue of additional work(in recesses) to maintain professional standing, in the reservist forces ( as Penny Mordaunt was) or writing.
As you say lobbying for financial gain is another matter. No issues with the likes of the late David Amess on animal welfare or Frank Field over disability matters in raining awareness.
The problem with the commons is sometimes the lack of knowledge in certain matters. At least in the Lords there are cross-benchers there for expertise-such as my old boss Lord Sandy Trees who speaks on Veterinary and Animal Welfare matters. | | | |
| MP's second jobs on 16:17 - Nov 9 with 1073 views | Catullus |
| MP's second jobs on 11:21 - Nov 9 by Lohengrin |
Lobbying, unless it’s being done on behalf of a registered charity, should be rendered completely out of bounds for sitting MPs. That’s it. Full stop.
I’d go further, a seven-year prohibition on lobbying ought to be introduced for former Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet Ministers after they have left Parliament as they would still be in possession of privileged, inside information.
A wholesale prohibition on any ‘paid’ second jobs for MPs would, however, be rendered unworkable by the probable list of exemptions. An MP could be a surgeon, a Territorial Army Officer, an author or columnist, perhaps? The list goes on and on of entirely honourable exceptions. [Post edited 10 Nov 2021 10:37]
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7 years, I'd make it 10 and have heavy punishments for any indiscretions.
I accept there are jobs that are entirely honuorable and we shouldn't stop them being done though I do question the need to do another job unless it's to maintain a professional qualification.
The number of advisers and consultants jobs they are doing is beyond a joke. 60k per year for 7 weeks work (or less) is very nice work if you can get it. isn't over 80k plus a generous expenses account enough?
PS, Prof, Allinn Khan is possibly my favourite current MP. I may be badly let down in the future but she seems sensible and honest. | |
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| MP's second jobs on 16:33 - Nov 9 with 1067 views | Professor |
| MP's second jobs on 16:17 - Nov 9 by Catullus |
7 years, I'd make it 10 and have heavy punishments for any indiscretions.
I accept there are jobs that are entirely honuorable and we shouldn't stop them being done though I do question the need to do another job unless it's to maintain a professional qualification.
The number of advisers and consultants jobs they are doing is beyond a joke. 60k per year for 7 weeks work (or less) is very nice work if you can get it. isn't over 80k plus a generous expenses account enough?
PS, Prof, Allinn Khan is possibly my favourite current MP. I may be badly let down in the future but she seems sensible and honest. |
There are a few out there Cat from all parties, though the current PM seems to have culled too many on the right.
Allin-Khan herself has been in trouble with the parliamentary watchdog
https://committees.parliament.
over misuse of common stationery rather than £100K in her back pocket for lobbying.
I do fear we will never see the likes of Tam Dalyell or Ken Clarke again. Intelligent politicians with an independent streak. | | | |
| MP's second jobs on 17:37 - Nov 9 with 1049 views | Catullus |
| MP's second jobs on 16:33 - Nov 9 by Professor |
There are a few out there Cat from all parties, though the current PM seems to have culled too many on the right.
Allin-Khan herself has been in trouble with the parliamentary watchdog
https://committees.parliament.
over misuse of common stationery rather than £100K in her back pocket for lobbying.
I do fear we will never see the likes of Tam Dalyell or Ken Clarke again. Intelligent politicians with an independent streak. |
Stationery eh, well I suppose it's still breaking the rules but it's not a patch on the 800k earned here,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
If Cox is in the Caribbean for days on end, how can he be doing his MP's job properly?
And that is my issue, it's not about keeping up a professional qualification for most of them, it's about making as much coin as they can because 80k a year plus expenses isn't enough for the greedy gits | |
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| MP's second jobs on 17:43 - Nov 9 with 1029 views | onehunglow |
| MP's second jobs on 16:07 - Nov 9 by Professor |
Rosena Allin-Khan is a good example. Labour MP for Tooting, still works a few shifts as a hospital medic which helps maintain GMC registration. I see no issue of additional work(in recesses) to maintain professional standing, in the reservist forces ( as Penny Mordaunt was) or writing.
As you say lobbying for financial gain is another matter. No issues with the likes of the late David Amess on animal welfare or Frank Field over disability matters in raining awareness.
The problem with the commons is sometimes the lack of knowledge in certain matters. At least in the Lords there are cross-benchers there for expertise-such as my old boss Lord Sandy Trees who speaks on Veterinary and Animal Welfare matters. |
Dumping Field by his own local constituency part is Birkenheads greatest shame.
A great man sadly now with terminal illness | |
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| MP's second jobs on 23:18 - Nov 9 with 961 views | Kilkennyjack |
Geoffrey Cox may seem like an appropriate name in the circumstances.
If he was welsh, people would probably say that he is ‘full of wind and piss’….
A Tory loud-mouth with his nose firmly in the trough, apparently…. 💰 |  |
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| MP's second jobs on 08:54 - Nov 10 with 940 views | felixstowe_jack |
| MP's second jobs on 23:18 - Nov 9 by Kilkennyjack |
Geoffrey Cox may seem like an appropriate name in the circumstances.
If he was welsh, people would probably say that he is ‘full of wind and piss’….
A Tory loud-mouth with his nose firmly in the trough, apparently…. 💰 |
Not as if labour MPs don't have second jobs. Keir Starmer declared £25,000 earnings in 2019 from legal work. | |
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| MP's second jobs on 09:49 - Nov 10 with 924 views | Margam |
It’s all about keeping us under control and the boot on our heads. | | | |
| MP's second jobs on 09:56 - Nov 10 with 917 views | Fireboy2 |
| MP's second jobs on 08:54 - Nov 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Not as if labour MPs don't have second jobs. Keir Starmer declared £25,000 earnings in 2019 from legal work. |
Compare that with Mr Cox's earnings. |  | | |
| MP's second jobs on 09:59 - Nov 10 with 917 views | Catullus |
| MP's second jobs on 23:18 - Nov 9 by Kilkennyjack |
Geoffrey Cox may seem like an appropriate name in the circumstances.
If he was welsh, people would probably say that he is ‘full of wind and piss’….
A Tory loud-mouth with his nose firmly in the trough, apparently…. 💰 |
And now under investigation for apparently using his Westminster office for his legal work, a clear breach of the rules. They reckon there's video of it too. | |
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| MP's second jobs on 15:33 - Nov 10 with 878 views | Catullus |
Here's another one,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/mone
Paid 200 quid an hour to advise the gambling industry and spoke out against tougher gambling regulations. That not advising, that's representing.
How much murkier can the swamp get? Far from being drained it's been getting regular top ups. | |
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| MP's second jobs on 16:39 - Nov 10 with 849 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Being an MP should be a full time vocation. You should not have time to have second jobs. There are no doubt constituents being fobbed off or not getting any answers whilst these cretins are jetting off furthering their own interests and filling their own pockets on their constituents time. | | | |
| MP's second jobs on 17:10 - Nov 10 with 845 views | Lohengrin |
| MP's second jobs on 16:39 - Nov 10 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Being an MP should be a full time vocation. You should not have time to have second jobs. There are no doubt constituents being fobbed off or not getting any answers whilst these cretins are jetting off furthering their own interests and filling their own pockets on their constituents time. |
And there’s the problem right there in your first sentence. For many of them, far too many, public service isn’t a vocation at all; it’s more a staging post on their career path that can and does open doors. | |
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| MP's second jobs on 18:33 - Nov 10 with 829 views | Catullus |
| MP's second jobs on 17:10 - Nov 10 by Lohengrin |
And there’s the problem right there in your first sentence. For many of them, far too many, public service isn’t a vocation at all; it’s more a staging post on their career path that can and does open doors. |
Bojo says he doesn't believe there is a problem with corruption, well he can hardly say "yes, all my MP's break the rules and make loads of money whilst ignoring constituents" and even when there is a problem and there's clear evidence he tries to play it down.
This will carry on unless we do something. Not just about Bojo and the tories, about all politicians. There needs to be a massive public outcry to get politics fixed, to get the rules changed for the better and to have an entirely independent scrutinising body with far reaching powers. | |
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| MP's second jobs on 20:07 - Nov 10 with 819 views | Kilkennyjack |
| MP's second jobs on 18:33 - Nov 10 by Catullus |
Bojo says he doesn't believe there is a problem with corruption, well he can hardly say "yes, all my MP's break the rules and make loads of money whilst ignoring constituents" and even when there is a problem and there's clear evidence he tries to play it down.
This will carry on unless we do something. Not just about Bojo and the tories, about all politicians. There needs to be a massive public outcry to get politics fixed, to get the rules changed for the better and to have an entirely independent scrutinising body with far reaching powers. |
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| MP's second jobs on 20:29 - Nov 10 with 812 views | builthjack |
Any MP, if they are doing their job properly, should not have time to work elsewhere.
They should not have the time.
Big pay, all expenses paid. Come on.
If they want to scale it down gradually let them earn £25k on top from private.
If any more they can resign. Quite simple. |  |
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| MP's second jobs on 20:37 - Nov 10 with 810 views | Catullus |
| MP's second jobs on 20:07 - Nov 10 by Kilkennyjack |
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It has absolutely nothing to do with independence, and defnitely not as long as we have such a useless, self serving, Cardiff centric group in the Senedd.
It has to do with sorting the standards out and weeding out the unworthy, fixing what is broken and repairing our country, the UK. | |
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| MP's second jobs on 20:49 - Nov 10 with 807 views | majorraglan |
| MP's second jobs on 08:54 - Nov 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Not as if labour MPs don't have second jobs. Keir Starmer declared £25,000 earnings in 2019 from legal work. |
Another attempt to divert attention from the current sleaze surrounding our Government.
You've neglected 1 thing, Starmer is part of the opposition and therefore not in a position to influence the awarding of any government contracts - for example the £500m contract awarded to Randox re Covid tests!!
I wonder why 2 Conservatives MP's have secured handsomely paid contracts as advisors to gambling companies- surely it can't be because there's going to be a review of the gambling laws- who'd have thought hey!
I personally think MP's should be prevented from having second jobs and undertaking paid consultancy work, if they want to have outside interests undertake consultancy work etc then they should do it for free.
Edit - Forgot to mention Chris Grayling AKA failing Grayling picking up a £100k contract with a company who run a major port. [Post edited 10 Nov 2021 21:34]
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| MP's second jobs on 20:53 - Nov 10 with 804 views | majorraglan |
| MP's second jobs on 20:07 - Nov 10 by Kilkennyjack |
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Annibyniaeth won't stop the snouts being in the trough. Good governance, accountability and strong and effective criminal sanctions will. | | | |
| MP's second jobs on 21:30 - Nov 10 with 791 views | Gwyn737 |
| MP's second jobs on 20:49 - Nov 10 by majorraglan |
Another attempt to divert attention from the current sleaze surrounding our Government.
You've neglected 1 thing, Starmer is part of the opposition and therefore not in a position to influence the awarding of any government contracts - for example the £500m contract awarded to Randox re Covid tests!!
I wonder why 2 Conservatives MP's have secured handsomely paid contracts as advisors to gambling companies- surely it can't be because there's going to be a review of the gambling laws- who'd have thought hey!
I personally think MP's should be prevented from having second jobs and undertaking paid consultancy work, if they want to have outside interests undertake consultancy work etc then they should do it for free.
Edit - Forgot to mention Chris Grayling AKA failing Grayling picking up a £100k contract with a company who run a major port. [Post edited 10 Nov 2021 21:34]
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Totally agree about being the party of power holding the sway.
This is unlike the expenses scandal though where there was skullduggery on all sides. This is Conservative sleazefest in the main. | | | |
| MP's second jobs on 23:18 - Nov 10 with 767 views | Lohengrin |
| MP's second jobs on 20:07 - Nov 10 by Kilkennyjack |
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Would solve nothing. Don’t you recall the Deryn affair?
Nerys Evans, a former AM, then both the vice chair of Plaid Cymru and a director of the lobbying firm Deryn; another director was Cathy Owens, a former Labour Welsh Government special adviser, secured well over £100m of public money for Associated Community Training (ACT) Ltd. A training scheme provider that Deryn represented.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, as our old pal Juvenal used to say? A pertinent question either end of the M4. | |
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| MP's second jobs on 19:53 - Nov 11 with 709 views | Catullus |
All I know is somebody should be watching the slimy, self serving toads. Somebody independent with far reaching powers.
I'm quite confident if we saw the full list of second jobs we would see the majority of them are in it every bit as much as they were in the expenses scandal.
Here's another shocking story,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news | |
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| MP's second jobs on 20:00 - Nov 11 with 708 views | Catullus |
And again, the government couldn't get it's way so it'sjust having the whole thing done again but with a new job description and new, handpicked people to make sure Bojo's preferred choice, Paul Dacre, gets the job.
Another case of fixing the rules to get his way. Corruption. | |
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