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Don't, just don't 19:23 - Nov 18 with 1096 viewsCatullus

Don't get sick or have a nasty accident,

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/people-dying-because-overcrowding-

This is shocking,

Nearly 10,000 patients had to wait more than 12 hours in Wales A&Es over the last month and only half of emergency red ambulance calls were responded to in the target of eight minutes.

The Royal College of Emergency Medicine said that 709 patients who stayed in an emergency department for eight to 12 hours in Wales had died as a result of crowding and long stays this year.

Then on the news Eluned Morgan was saying the Senedd has put more money in and there's 53% more staff in the last 20 years, does she remember this,

https://oggybloggyogwr.com/2012/09/south-west-wales-nhs-changes-what-you-need-to


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Don't, just don't on 19:40 - Nov 18 with 1072 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Anybody who has watched 24 hours in A&E knows that not much has changed over the last few years.
They are always short of because of bed blocking in the main hospital wards.
Every winter the flu brings them extra pressure and chaos.
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Don't, just don't on 19:48 - Nov 18 with 1066 viewsCatullus

Don't, just don't on 19:40 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad

Anybody who has watched 24 hours in A&E knows that not much has changed over the last few years.
They are always short of because of bed blocking in the main hospital wards.
Every winter the flu brings them extra pressure and chaos.


We need respite care, we used to have cottage hospitals so main hospitals could clear beds meaning A&E didn't get clogged up.

We used to have an A&E in Singleton but now we have one A&E for the whole of Swansea and it's not good enough.

Do our politicians have to wait like the rest of us, I'd bet it's VIP treatment for them.

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Don't, just don't on 20:23 - Nov 18 with 1053 viewsJack123

I remember before covid, I'd never seen so many elderly people left on the pavement, roadside after having falls, they seemed to be there for hours and hours..(waiting for an ambulance)

Looks like covid has made this a lot worse.

Caught a bit of the HTV Wales news earlier, and they were running this story,

'We’re talking about rationing healthcare' says senior Welsh doctor


https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2021-11-18/were-talking-about-rationing-healthcar

Think we are in for a right shaky few months. :(
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Don't, just don't on 21:03 - Nov 18 with 1020 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Don't, just don't on 19:48 - Nov 18 by Catullus

We need respite care, we used to have cottage hospitals so main hospitals could clear beds meaning A&E didn't get clogged up.

We used to have an A&E in Singleton but now we have one A&E for the whole of Swansea and it's not good enough.

Do our politicians have to wait like the rest of us, I'd bet it's VIP treatment for them.


For once I am in complete agreement with you.
I raised this point last year when discussing the problems with big centralised hospitals, quarantine and recuperation.
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Don't, just don't on 21:25 - Nov 18 with 1003 viewsmajorraglan

I was at an A&E last week with one of my kids after being directed to go there by NHS111 for what could have been a serious issue, we were there overnight from 9.15pm through to 7.30am. It was relentless, people coming in all the time and there were at least 6 ambulances waiting to offload at any any one time. I saw at least 10 cops there during the course of the night with prisoners/people who needed medical care. Staff were good as gold and I felt sorry for them.

There is no easy solution and we need changes. We’ve an ageing population who cost a lot more to treat and Wales has the highest percentage of elderly people out of the 4 home Nations which costs a lot more. There’s a huge amount of bed blocking taking place because hospitals can’t discharge patients on account of the lack of care in the community, staffing on hospital wards post Covid is really stretched and staff are walking as they’ve had enough.

It’s no better in England.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/a-e-delays-kill-thousands-patient-deat


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-59042177
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Don't, just don't on 21:41 - Nov 18 with 994 viewsFlashberryjack

When more are taking out of the pot than are putting in, the outcome is inevitable.

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Don't, just don't on 09:49 - Nov 19 with 929 viewsCountyJim

From my experience people are coming to A&E who shouldn't because they can't see GP and for stuff you could easily treat yourself
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Don't, just don't on 11:02 - Nov 19 with 895 viewsCatullus

Don't, just don't on 09:49 - Nov 19 by CountyJim

From my experience people are coming to A&E who shouldn't because they can't see GP and for stuff you could easily treat yourself


That's always happened, Jim. My wife had a particularly bad seizure one Friday night and following the rules of her specialist I dialled 999. She had been in status (longer than 5 minutes)

She was treated and we were eventually sent to the waiting room while we waited for the doctor to clear us to go home. We sat down next to a young woman who had a small cut on her finger which she was holding up as if she was pointing to the sky, a bit of blood was trickling down from the visible cut.. Does that sound like an emergency? That kind of thing is apparently common.

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Don't, just don't on 13:06 - Nov 19 with 852 viewskrunchykarrot

We are a small nation with health devolved, how in gods name are we getting it so wrong. The NHS is not fit for purpose experiences lately have confirmed that even the most ardent supporter of this archaic failing module cant stand by or support. We are getting worse annually and the solution is to throw money at a problem thats never been fixed. Cant the First minister admit this, get a long term cross party agreement then get in someone who is experienced and reform?
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Don't, just don't on 13:33 - Nov 19 with 842 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Don't, just don't on 13:06 - Nov 19 by krunchykarrot

We are a small nation with health devolved, how in gods name are we getting it so wrong. The NHS is not fit for purpose experiences lately have confirmed that even the most ardent supporter of this archaic failing module cant stand by or support. We are getting worse annually and the solution is to throw money at a problem thats never been fixed. Cant the First minister admit this, get a long term cross party agreement then get in someone who is experienced and reform?


Yes, we need to hear about what is happening to address the problem in Wales rather than be told it's a problem, we know that. The longer it goes on the more difficult it gets.

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Don't, just don't on 13:47 - Nov 19 with 837 viewsCountyJim

No what I think is people need re education on what the NHS does I mean it's not there if you got a cold it's not there for small cuts like paper cuts it's not there for ringing for a taxi

I could go on but you speak to some people they automatically think they should use the NHS for what ever they need .

Then you get old people who are reluctant to ring because they don't want to bother people

It's a generation thing
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Don't, just don't on 14:16 - Nov 19 with 813 viewsBoundy

Don't, just don't on 13:47 - Nov 19 by CountyJim

No what I think is people need re education on what the NHS does I mean it's not there if you got a cold it's not there for small cuts like paper cuts it's not there for ringing for a taxi

I could go on but you speak to some people they automatically think they should use the NHS for what ever they need .

Then you get old people who are reluctant to ring because they don't want to bother people

It's a generation thing


But triage system must need looking at ,why are people who've been transported to hospital by ambulance , (that's miracle in itself) then have to sit for hours outside or in corridors if those who you believe don't need treatment in A&WE are being seen first . My wife's auntie who's in her nineties just spent 15 hours in A&E and the diagnosis broken ribs . Never mind that lot in cardiff fining farmers for planting trees a couple not quite according to where they should be or blaming Covid

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Don't, just don't on 14:17 - Nov 19 with 812 viewsBoundy

Don't, just don't on 13:47 - Nov 19 by CountyJim

No what I think is people need re education on what the NHS does I mean it's not there if you got a cold it's not there for small cuts like paper cuts it's not there for ringing for a taxi

I could go on but you speak to some people they automatically think they should use the NHS for what ever they need .

Then you get old people who are reluctant to ring because they don't want to bother people

It's a generation thing


But triage system must need looking at ,why are people who've been transported to hospital by ambulance , (that's miracle in itself) then have to sit for hours outside or in corridors if those who you believe don't need treatment in A&WE are being seen first . My wife's auntie who's in her nineties just spent 15 hours in A&E and the diagnosis broken ribs . Never mind that lot in cardiff fining farmers for planting trees a couple not quite according to where they should be or blaming Covid , The Welsh NHS has not been fit for purpose for a long time

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Don't, just don't on 17:54 - Nov 19 with 786 viewsCatullus

Don't, just don't on 14:17 - Nov 19 by Boundy

But triage system must need looking at ,why are people who've been transported to hospital by ambulance , (that's miracle in itself) then have to sit for hours outside or in corridors if those who you believe don't need treatment in A&WE are being seen first . My wife's auntie who's in her nineties just spent 15 hours in A&E and the diagnosis broken ribs . Never mind that lot in cardiff fining farmers for planting trees a couple not quite according to where they should be or blaming Covid , The Welsh NHS has not been fit for purpose for a long time


Those who don't need emergency treatment are waiting the longest, and probably the ones making the most noise about the wait.

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Don't, just don't on 18:12 - Nov 19 with 772 viewskrunchykarrot

Don't, just don't on 14:16 - Nov 19 by Boundy

But triage system must need looking at ,why are people who've been transported to hospital by ambulance , (that's miracle in itself) then have to sit for hours outside or in corridors if those who you believe don't need treatment in A&WE are being seen first . My wife's auntie who's in her nineties just spent 15 hours in A&E and the diagnosis broken ribs . Never mind that lot in cardiff fining farmers for planting trees a couple not quite according to where they should be or blaming Covid


Mr B, without trying to trump you i have had three relatives recently needing the NHS who have been let down abysmally. The thing is even though they were treated or not in the case of my elderly 95yr old relative they thought the NHS is beyond reproach until it was to late. Her sister who is also an ex Ward Sister is flabergasted at the ineptidude and the way it was handled, but would not dream of kicking off.
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