| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? 15:37 - Mar 6 with 2173 views | STID2017 |
Much debate over the past few months over whether we were heading in the right direction under Martin.
I feel he is starting to make smarter decisions the last couple of games and I am feeling more confident, having seen lots of positive signs.
Hopefully, bar enforced changes, he knows what he believes is his best XI.
Also good to see him not trying to defend the sloppiness yesterday in his interview.
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:14 - Mar 6 with 1392 views | union_jack |
We’ve had a few false dawns I think but this time it seems like he’s going to stick with this pattern of play. |  |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:23 - Mar 6 with 1388 views | magicdaps10 |
It's a funny old thing this Martin winning and it's due to change of style but lose and its returning to his stubborn insistence to playing his style.
I just think it's the players starting to understanding what Martin wants to play and gplayers starting to gel in the team and others around them. Modern football is structured and shape disciplined that it's not as straight forward as just saying "do this" and "do that".
My view and must stress opinion is that it's just a clear come together of Martin's style, players improving and starting to take on board what is required, saying that, I still expect a few wake up results in the remaining games. |  |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:27 - Mar 6 with 1386 views | krunchykarrot |
Its exactley the same philosophy just players decision making getting quicker. I think that if we can add aand replace a few players we will be in a good position to challenge next year.
The only negative i see with this system and squad is what happens Tuesday night? does Ben man mark which will then pull us and leave gaps all over the place. We also lose Christys height interesting! |  | | |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:29 - Mar 6 with 1381 views | Dr_Winston |
Still a few too many square pegs in round holes and we've simply got to move the ball faster more often. We're in an improved run of form at the moment but we've got to keep that going. Tuesday will be tough but as long as the performance is there that'll do. |  |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:40 - Mar 6 with 1345 views | magicdaps10 |
It's all about beating the press, quicker sharp passing through that and it opens up so much more.......and surprisingly in many cases when this is done the pass numbers become less, it is then helped with the players running into the space for the player with the ball.
It sounds easy but it's really not that simple in practice. | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:40 - Mar 6 with 1344 views | krunchykarrot |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:29 - Mar 6 by Dr_Winston |
Still a few too many square pegs in round holes and we've simply got to move the ball faster more often. We're in an improved run of form at the moment but we've got to keep that going. Tuesday will be tough but as long as the performance is there that'll do. |
Yep Doc, the first goal yesterday was superb and i wouldnt be suprised if RM loved the second more as it was what he bought GK in for. I also picked up on watching from high up the Obafemi runs makes all the difference im glad his attitude has changed.
As for sqaure pegs heres a question? do we play Ben as a CH and playmaker for the rest of season, play the likes of Rushesha and the young lad on the bench yesterday plus our new WB to see if they can do a job. I for one will be happy to use the rest of season to find out. | | | |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:41 - Mar 6 with 1339 views | magicdaps10 |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:40 - Mar 6 by krunchykarrot |
Yep Doc, the first goal yesterday was superb and i wouldnt be suprised if RM loved the second more as it was what he bought GK in for. I also picked up on watching from high up the Obafemi runs makes all the difference im glad his attitude has changed.
As for sqaure pegs heres a question? do we play Ben as a CH and playmaker for the rest of season, play the likes of Rushesha and the young lad on the bench yesterday plus our new WB to see if they can do a job. I for one will be happy to use the rest of season to find out. |
I would wait for after Tuesdays game mind 😬 | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:46 - Mar 6 with 1331 views | krunchykarrot |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:41 - Mar 6 by magicdaps10 |
I would wait for after Tuesdays game mind 😬 |
So Daps who picks up Mitro we cant let Kyle stay CH central can we? | | | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:02 - Mar 6 with 1306 views | vetchonian |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:23 - Mar 6 by magicdaps10 |
It's a funny old thing this Martin winning and it's due to change of style but lose and its returning to his stubborn insistence to playing his style.
I just think it's the players starting to understanding what Martin wants to play and gplayers starting to gel in the team and others around them. Modern football is structured and shape disciplined that it's not as straight forward as just saying "do this" and "do that".
My view and must stress opinion is that it's just a clear come together of Martin's style, players improving and starting to take on board what is required, saying that, I still expect a few wake up results in the remaining games. |
you need to cast your mind back to the opening games of the season we played totally different as we did yesterday or Monday evening.
We are now more direct more purposeful with the ball....less than 60% possession yesterday 3 goals scored and a few other chances created.
There was much less knocking the ball around in our half across the back 3 we were looking to move the ball forward not keep it.
Obafemi first goal came from a long forward pass from the keeper almost Pullisesque...bit well executed..
Martin is learning and adapting this is not the Martknball we saw previously |  |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:14 - Mar 6 with 1285 views | magicdaps10 |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:02 - Mar 6 by vetchonian |
you need to cast your mind back to the opening games of the season we played totally different as we did yesterday or Monday evening.
We are now more direct more purposeful with the ball....less than 60% possession yesterday 3 goals scored and a few other chances created.
There was much less knocking the ball around in our half across the back 3 we were looking to move the ball forward not keep it.
Obafemi first goal came from a long forward pass from the keeper almost Pullisesque...bit well executed..
Martin is learning and adapting this is not the Martknball we saw previously |
That's what happens when you break the press, the quicker you break the press, the quicker you get ball forward...... Its that simple in theory and that brings the pass numbers and possession down.
Its not a change in style just performing the style quicker and correctly. If the pass is on then the back 3 will make the pass forward.
This is the Martinball that he wanted to see from the first day he arrived, was never going to happen overnight and now we are starting to see it more clearly to the glimpses we seen since the seasons start. | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:16 - Mar 6 with 1282 views | magicdaps10 |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:46 - Mar 6 by krunchykarrot |
So Daps who picks up Mitro we cant let Kyle stay CH central can we? |
I agree, Naughton was done badly up there.
You need some one willing to step up for the fight and be willing to battle Mitrovic.....i would try Downes but Mitrovic us a beast and it might be too much to ask of Downes and I fear no one else could cope with him. | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:23 - Mar 6 with 1277 views | vetchonian |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:14 - Mar 6 by magicdaps10 |
That's what happens when you break the press, the quicker you break the press, the quicker you get ball forward...... Its that simple in theory and that brings the pass numbers and possession down.
Its not a change in style just performing the style quicker and correctly. If the pass is on then the back 3 will make the pass forward.
This is the Martinball that he wanted to see from the first day he arrived, was never going to happen overnight and now we are starting to see it more clearly to the glimpses we seen since the seasons start. |
you know that do you...so why didn't he play that instead of the keep ball?
He has ditched the obsession with possession and as a result Grimes looks a better player..
It is a definite change in approach and long may it continue | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:30 - Mar 6 with 1267 views | krunchykarrot |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:23 - Mar 6 by vetchonian |
you know that do you...so why didn't he play that instead of the keep ball?
He has ditched the obsession with possession and as a result Grimes looks a better player..
It is a definite change in approach and long may it continue |
Because he has different players and Grimes looks better because he has options, in fact yesterday Obafemi was on fire and looked up for it. No manager will ditch possesion football ever, in fact they spend as much time working out how to get it back than on keeping and attacking. | | | |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:33 - Mar 6 with 1255 views | krunchykarrot |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:16 - Mar 6 by magicdaps10 |
I agree, Naughton was done badly up there.
You need some one willing to step up for the fight and be willing to battle Mitrovic.....i would try Downes but Mitrovic us a beast and it might be too much to ask of Downes and I fear no one else could cope with him. |
Cant believe im saying this but do we put Ben on man marking and have Kyle sweeping in a back four with Downes deep holding centrally? | | | |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:39 - Mar 6 with 1247 views | magicdaps10 |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:23 - Mar 6 by vetchonian |
you know that do you...so why didn't he play that instead of the keep ball?
He has ditched the obsession with possession and as a result Grimes looks a better player..
It is a definite change in approach and long may it continue |
If you break the press and the lines then possession and pass numbers are lower and if you can't beat it then you look after the ball and recycle the play.
You play what is in front of you, if you play a team who sits back and keeps it shape then the possession and pass numbers increase.
Its never a case to hold into the ball for possessions sake, if a forward pass is on then it will always be done if possible under Martinball.... If its not done then its just a fact the player with the ball hasn't seen it or couldn't release it.
I can't work out Wether it's the non understanding or the stubbornness towards Martin by fans that are so incensed to put any praise to him and his style. | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:40 - Mar 6 with 1245 views | vetchonian |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:30 - Mar 6 by krunchykarrot |
Because he has different players and Grimes looks better because he has options, in fact yesterday Obafemi was on fire and looked up for it. No manager will ditch possesion football ever, in fact they spend as much time working out how to get it back than on keeping and attacking. |
think back to the Blackpool game....pass pass pass rather than give the ball to Piroe who when he does get it creates a goal from nothing.
I'm glad Martin has hit upon something it seems an entertaining winning formula so different to what we saw against Sheffield ,Millwall at home for example | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:41 - Mar 6 with 1244 views | magicdaps10 |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:16 - Mar 6 by magicdaps10 |
I agree, Naughton was done badly up there.
You need some one willing to step up for the fight and be willing to battle Mitrovic.....i would try Downes but Mitrovic us a beast and it might be too much to ask of Downes and I fear no one else could cope with him. |
Think our hand might be forced on Tuesday to go with a back 4 because of us not having Christie available.
Naughton and Manning might be used as full backs and I coukd see Bennett coming in alongside Cabango. | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 18:47 - Mar 6 with 1171 views | Dr_Winston |
People say that "Naughton was done up there" as if that's been an experience unique to Kyle this season. Mitrovic has done it to plenty.
Our success or failure in keeping him out won't rest on the shoulders of one player. [Post edited 6 Mar 2022 19:55]
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 19:50 - Mar 6 with 1134 views | magicdaps10 |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 18:47 - Mar 6 by Dr_Winston |
People say that "Naughton was done up there" as if that's been an experience unique to Kyle this season. Mitrovic has done it to plenty.
Our success or failure in keeping him out won't rest on the shoulders of one player. [Post edited 6 Mar 2022 19:55]
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He did have Naughton in his pocket but you are correct to say that he has been one of many.
We will have to set up differently to contain him and his supply AND the supply is more important to stop.
Was a good call in a previous post yo have Cabango to mark him up and Naughten sweeping up and Downes in front of Cabango. That is a good call but it would mean our full backs playing deeper and personally I would go with a front 2 who would also have too split to create the width, it would be a complex shape but it's going to be a free roll so I would be right up for it as a Manager to see how it could go. | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 20:00 - Mar 6 with 1127 views | STID2017 |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 19:50 - Mar 6 by magicdaps10 |
He did have Naughton in his pocket but you are correct to say that he has been one of many.
We will have to set up differently to contain him and his supply AND the supply is more important to stop.
Was a good call in a previous post yo have Cabango to mark him up and Naughten sweeping up and Downes in front of Cabango. That is a good call but it would mean our full backs playing deeper and personally I would go with a front 2 who would also have too split to create the width, it would be a complex shape but it's going to be a free roll so I would be right up for it as a Manager to see how it could go. |
You are right there.
Cut off the supply to him ( and don't commit any suicidal passes) and we will be in with a shout | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 20:52 - Mar 6 with 1093 views | Catullus |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:14 - Mar 6 by magicdaps10 |
That's what happens when you break the press, the quicker you break the press, the quicker you get ball forward...... Its that simple in theory and that brings the pass numbers and possession down.
Its not a change in style just performing the style quicker and correctly. If the pass is on then the back 3 will make the pass forward.
This is the Martinball that he wanted to see from the first day he arrived, was never going to happen overnight and now we are starting to see it more clearly to the glimpses we seen since the seasons start. |
It's not a change in style, it's an adjustment. We are more willing to play the long ball or the through ball now. Most of the time. WBA and Coventry will still games of 2 very different halves. One half slow and ponderous, allowing the oppo several chances, the other quick, purposeful, dynamic even.
Hardly any if us wanted to change the style, we just wanted to see quicker paced games, attacking intent and cutting out the unneeded and dangerous passes on the edge of our own area that cost us so many goals. We still conceded one yesterday though.
Pragmatic adjustments were needed. | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 20:59 - Mar 6 with 1084 views | Boundy |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 16:40 - Mar 6 by krunchykarrot |
Yep Doc, the first goal yesterday was superb and i wouldnt be suprised if RM loved the second more as it was what he bought GK in for. I also picked up on watching from high up the Obafemi runs makes all the difference im glad his attitude has changed.
As for sqaure pegs heres a question? do we play Ben as a CH and playmaker for the rest of season, play the likes of Rushesha and the young lad on the bench yesterday plus our new WB to see if they can do a job. I for one will be happy to use the rest of season to find out. |
I did post a while back that few of Obafemi's runs into the channels were being spotted by his team mates, the last few games we've seen a a noticeably difference and its working . Possibly because the midfield is becoming more inclined to go forwards than sideways ? | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 21:26 - Mar 6 with 1066 views | Dr_Winston |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 20:59 - Mar 6 by Boundy |
I did post a while back that few of Obafemi's runs into the channels were being spotted by his team mates, the last few games we've seen a a noticeably difference and its working . Possibly because the midfield is becoming more inclined to go forwards than sideways ? |
Was obvious from the off that Obafemi had a real strikers intelligence about him. His movement off the ball has always been impressive, even when he was fighting for game time. Now he's having a run in the team his sharpness is there and the rest of the side is beginning to learn what he's about.
Judging by the huge grin on his face when he ran over to MO to congratulate him for goal #2 I don't think Piroe is that bothered about dropping deeper. If anyone has lost out it's N'tcham, but competition for places is never a bad thing. | |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? (n/t) on 21:47 - Mar 6 with 1043 views | Mad_Mike |
| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 17:41 - Mar 6 by magicdaps10 |
Think our hand might be forced on Tuesday to go with a back 4 because of us not having Christie available.
Naughton and Manning might be used as full backs and I coukd see Bennett coming in alongside Cabango. |
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| Is Russell Martin Getting It Right At Last ? on 01:08 - Mar 7 with 963 views | Dr_Parnassus |
As has been touched upon by others, he just has to have seen the light now. We have had just too many examples of success when his initial at is ditched.
If he sees this change through and continues the direct style of play then there is no reason we can’t win the majority of our games, I genuinely think that. We still may not beat the Fulham’s of this world but there will be no more 4-1 defeats to Forest etc
He was very stubborn early on with his style of play and I think it quickly dawned on him that it wasn’t going to wash here, we have seen a possession game before, know it doesn’t take years to implement and know what it should look like.
Despite that he still stuck a style that made nonsense (maybe it’s all he knew at the time) and not getting the results with it has probably been a remarkable blessing as he has now been forced into the direct passing game. As a poster previously said, we have had a few false dawns so hopefully he has learned this time.
I certainly don’t want to see 80% possession, 800 passes 96% of them short again, that’s for sure. It’s just overkill and absolutely sacrifices the result for the style he wants to see.
55-60% range, 500-600 passes, 10%+ long. That’s the golden trio for my money. We need a healthy balance and a much more mixed approach when it comes to how we pass, the short at all costs mantra is so easy to defend and frankly it’s an awful style to watch. Incredibly slow.
So I am feeling very positive he is now getting it right but I say it cautiously. [Post edited 7 Mar 2022 1:44]
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