| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? 09:47 - May 20 with 2294 views | STID2017 |
I don't know if such a thing exists, but if these pitch invasions continue ( plus the individuals running on the pitch at other games ) and players and staff getting assaulted ( plus missiles being thrown on the field ) then I can only see us going back to a safer version of the pre - Hillsborough situation of fenced in grounds ? |  |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 09:48 - May 20 with 1860 views | KeithHaynes |
Any sort of fencing would be frowned upon. |  |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 10:00 - May 20 with 1848 views | STID2017 |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 09:48 - May 20 by KeithHaynes |
Any sort of fencing would be frowned upon. |
Thing is grounds have changed, especially the all seaters.
Not sure what the answer is but the celebratory pitch invasions have taken a sinister turn.
Plus the nonsense such as happened at Everton with the protester etc. | |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 10:40 - May 20 with 1816 views | Lorax |
Didn't some European leagues have collapsible fences?
Maybe they could just go for nets with the release switch being pitch side so the stewards could drop it if needed?
Ultimately the only way (without fences) to stop pitch invasions is to build ground the right way. That is of course, very expensive and can only happen when a new ground is built. |  | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 10:59 - May 20 with 1788 views | 3swan |
My guess is that the safety group would cut the crowd attendance or only give certificates if more stewards to fan ratio | | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:00 - May 20 with 1787 views | builthjack |
£1000 fine if you enter the pitch would stop the vast majority of them. Add 7 days in the slammer to it and that would stop it.
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:15 - May 20 with 1775 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Heras fencing is very good. Easily installed and dismantled. Generally used for temporary outside events. Thin metal panels with big rubber slotted footings. Everywhere these days. Commonly seen at boundaries for Covid centres for example. It will not stop a determined trespasser or large crowd pressure. The big rubber footing topple under high loads.
Most people will recognise them but not know their name. The guy that marketed this is a millionaire without doubt.
https://www.heras-mobile.co.uk/fencing/mesh-panels [Post edited 20 May 2022 11:17]
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:21 - May 20 with 1762 views | Lorax |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:15 - May 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Heras fencing is very good. Easily installed and dismantled. Generally used for temporary outside events. Thin metal panels with big rubber slotted footings. Everywhere these days. Commonly seen at boundaries for Covid centres for example. It will not stop a determined trespasser or large crowd pressure. The big rubber footing topple under high loads.
Most people will recognise them but not know their name. The guy that marketed this is a millionaire without doubt.
https://www.heras-mobile.co.uk/fencing/mesh-panels [Post edited 20 May 2022 11:17]
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That would be even more dangerous though, a few stewards behind it when the crowd rushes, the fence topples and the stewards get hit and then trampled. It would never be allowed and to be honest, in my opinion, it is a silly idea. | | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:23 - May 20 with 1758 views | onehunglow |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:00 - May 20 by builthjack |
£1000 fine if you enter the pitch would stop the vast majority of them. Add 7 days in the slammer to it and that would stop it.
Simple. |
But if 1000s do so ,you are stuffed,as they should be. | |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:27 - May 20 with 1755 views | shandyjack |
pys deductions, forfeiting of games are ideas they could enforce as early as next season. Someone is going to get seriously hurt soon or later. Time to act is now |  |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:55 - May 20 with 1740 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:21 - May 20 by Lorax |
That would be even more dangerous though, a few stewards behind it when the crowd rushes, the fence topples and the stewards get hit and then trampled. It would never be allowed and to be honest, in my opinion, it is a silly idea. |
I have not done a rigorous risk assessment of course. it is not an idea of mine. Heras fencing is collapsible fencing referred to in the headline of the thread.
You have started do do your own basic risk assessment highlighting some negatives. The fences collapse gradually. Stewards would have ample time to get to a position of safety unless they used their own bodies to keep the fence erect which is not advisable.
This fencing is not designed for large crowd control admittedly. An individual would take a minute or two to get over allowing time for an arrest, [Post edited 20 May 2022 11:57]
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:56 - May 20 with 1736 views | builthjack |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:23 - May 20 by onehunglow |
But if 1000s do so ,you are stuffed,as they should be. |
The risk.of 7 days inside which would ruin most careers. Only a few would dare. | |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:57 - May 20 with 1735 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 10:40 - May 20 by Lorax |
Didn't some European leagues have collapsible fences?
Maybe they could just go for nets with the release switch being pitch side so the stewards could drop it if needed?
Ultimately the only way (without fences) to stop pitch invasions is to build ground the right way. That is of course, very expensive and can only happen when a new ground is built. |
I imagine nets could be quite dangerous too in the event of a sudden surge. | | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 12:40 - May 20 with 1703 views | Badlands |
Suspend the clubs for failure to control fans. |  |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 18:46 - May 20 with 1634 views | Lorax |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:55 - May 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I have not done a rigorous risk assessment of course. it is not an idea of mine. Heras fencing is collapsible fencing referred to in the headline of the thread.
You have started do do your own basic risk assessment highlighting some negatives. The fences collapse gradually. Stewards would have ample time to get to a position of safety unless they used their own bodies to keep the fence erect which is not advisable.
This fencing is not designed for large crowd control admittedly. An individual would take a minute or two to get over allowing time for an arrest, [Post edited 20 May 2022 11:57]
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You don't need a rigorous risk assessment. it was a plainly barmy idea. What good are fences that are fairly easy to push over?
The thread says collapsible but doesn't mention Heras.
The fence doesn't collapse gradually AND, if the stewards were to move out of the way, it just highlights further how silly a suggestion it is.
An individual wouldn't try to climb over, these fences are not that stable in a straight line, they are fairly easily pushed by just one person never mind hundreds. I've seen Heras fencing on building sites that has been easily moved, pushed over, so people can get past to rob stuff.
Give it up mun, stop digging. | | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 20:05 - May 20 with 1596 views | swan65split |
Bigger fines/sentences, I would also go for points deduction to the guilty fans club. |  | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 20:09 - May 20 with 1588 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 18:46 - May 20 by Lorax |
You don't need a rigorous risk assessment. it was a plainly barmy idea. What good are fences that are fairly easy to push over?
The thread says collapsible but doesn't mention Heras.
The fence doesn't collapse gradually AND, if the stewards were to move out of the way, it just highlights further how silly a suggestion it is.
An individual wouldn't try to climb over, these fences are not that stable in a straight line, they are fairly easily pushed by just one person never mind hundreds. I've seen Heras fencing on building sites that has been easily moved, pushed over, so people can get past to rob stuff.
Give it up mun, stop digging. |
Fences that are fairly easily pushed over are fences that collapse under load. (Collapsible fencing).
I for the benefit of he readership of this great forum provided details of such a fencing. (Heras fencing) to support the original poster. It was not my idea at all to use at football stadium.
There is no reason at all why fans should put loading on fences these days.
You ask "What good are fences that are fairly easy to push over?" They are very useful and would have been a life saver at Hillsborough for example where rigid fencing did not yield resulting in 96 avoidable fatalities.
Such fencing or similar would need a very rigorous risk assessment. The sort of risk assessment not done in 1988. Perhaps the original poster thinks in terms a of allowable lateral loadings or similar where a release catch opens as a specific loading determined low enough to not harm a teenager for example. These would require maintenance and regular testing and calibrating. | |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 20:10 - May 20 with 1588 views | swan65split |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 18:46 - May 20 by Lorax |
You don't need a rigorous risk assessment. it was a plainly barmy idea. What good are fences that are fairly easy to push over?
The thread says collapsible but doesn't mention Heras.
The fence doesn't collapse gradually AND, if the stewards were to move out of the way, it just highlights further how silly a suggestion it is.
An individual wouldn't try to climb over, these fences are not that stable in a straight line, they are fairly easily pushed by just one person never mind hundreds. I've seen Heras fencing on building sites that has been easily moved, pushed over, so people can get past to rob stuff.
Give it up mun, stop digging. |
Ive seen heras fencing blown over if not fitted properly....yes blown over, there's also a danger of trapped fingers etc if they are pushed.
Fencing is probably a no no. its going to be sentencing or deduction | | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 20:42 - May 20 with 1577 views | builthjack |
My friends in the farming community recommend a 5 strand electric fence. | |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 20:43 - May 20 with 1576 views | Lorax |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 11:57 - May 20 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
I imagine nets could be quite dangerous too in the event of a sudden surge. |
Yes, maybe they could. But if you didn't think you could surge past or over them maybe people wouldn't try?
There has to be a way, maybe have all the stands sealed off from the pitch by shatterproof perspex fences and gates of the same so the view isn't spoiled?
How about a moat? It's a bit medieval but something has to work. | | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 10:43 - May 21 with 1523 views | Whiterockin |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 20:09 - May 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Fences that are fairly easily pushed over are fences that collapse under load. (Collapsible fencing).
I for the benefit of he readership of this great forum provided details of such a fencing. (Heras fencing) to support the original poster. It was not my idea at all to use at football stadium.
There is no reason at all why fans should put loading on fences these days.
You ask "What good are fences that are fairly easy to push over?" They are very useful and would have been a life saver at Hillsborough for example where rigid fencing did not yield resulting in 96 avoidable fatalities.
Such fencing or similar would need a very rigorous risk assessment. The sort of risk assessment not done in 1988. Perhaps the original poster thinks in terms a of allowable lateral loadings or similar where a release catch opens as a specific loading determined low enough to not harm a teenager for example. These would require maintenance and regular testing and calibrating. |
If a fence can be pushed over why have it there? I take your point about Hillsborough, but why have it there in the first place if it can be pushed over, it serves no purpose. |  | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 14:58 - May 21 with 1470 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 10:43 - May 21 by Whiterockin |
If a fence can be pushed over why have it there? I take your point about Hillsborough, but why have it there in the first place if it can be pushed over, it serves no purpose. |
It defines a site boundary and makes it clear that the public are not to go there. It can be crossed with a great effort and only an very enthusiastic drunk would try to do it. It can be easily installed and moved with a spanner set.
A single man would struggle to knock it over but a crowd would easily push it over. When that happens its is time to stop the game and regain order in theory. At about 3m a fall backwards from the top would give cuts and bruises. These fences are extremely useful because the are cheap and installed very quickly to demark a working area where the public do not belong. | |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 15:06 - May 21 with 1457 views | Whiterockin |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 14:58 - May 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It defines a site boundary and makes it clear that the public are not to go there. It can be crossed with a great effort and only an very enthusiastic drunk would try to do it. It can be easily installed and moved with a spanner set.
A single man would struggle to knock it over but a crowd would easily push it over. When that happens its is time to stop the game and regain order in theory. At about 3m a fall backwards from the top would give cuts and bruises. These fences are extremely useful because the are cheap and installed very quickly to demark a working area where the public do not belong. |
The fencing is 2m high not 3m and is easily pushed over. Definitely not the answer. | | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 15:07 - May 21 with 1455 views | Lorax |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 14:58 - May 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It defines a site boundary and makes it clear that the public are not to go there. It can be crossed with a great effort and only an very enthusiastic drunk would try to do it. It can be easily installed and moved with a spanner set.
A single man would struggle to knock it over but a crowd would easily push it over. When that happens its is time to stop the game and regain order in theory. At about 3m a fall backwards from the top would give cuts and bruises. These fences are extremely useful because the are cheap and installed very quickly to demark a working area where the public do not belong. |
That's nonsense, a single man could knock it over easily enough, I've seen it done.
The stand demarks the boundary and there are signs. A single man would be stopped by a few stewards.
The kind of problem we are seeing is exactly the thing these fences wouldn't stop, large crowds entering the pitch, Heras fencing is useless in the face of hundreds and would prove to be dangerous too.
I, like several on here, was at Reading when the riot police were called in. There were still fences around the pitch. In the bottom left corner of the terrace, does anybody else remember what happened? | | | |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 15:15 - May 21 with 1447 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 15:07 - May 21 by Lorax |
That's nonsense, a single man could knock it over easily enough, I've seen it done.
The stand demarks the boundary and there are signs. A single man would be stopped by a few stewards.
The kind of problem we are seeing is exactly the thing these fences wouldn't stop, large crowds entering the pitch, Heras fencing is useless in the face of hundreds and would prove to be dangerous too.
I, like several on here, was at Reading when the riot police were called in. There were still fences around the pitch. In the bottom left corner of the terrace, does anybody else remember what happened? |
I repeat I am looking at this on the basis of none football stadium use. A question was asked what use are they and I replied not referring to stadium use.
It is not so easy for an average citizen to climb over as it yields leading to a fall and possible injury. With out gloves climbing over it will leave cuts and bruises. It is excellent design in many scenarios.
It will not stop an all out fan assault for sure | |
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| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 17:27 - May 21 with 1420 views | Lorax |
| Will We See Some Form Of Collapsible Fencing ? on 15:15 - May 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I repeat I am looking at this on the basis of none football stadium use. A question was asked what use are they and I replied not referring to stadium use.
It is not so easy for an average citizen to climb over as it yields leading to a fall and possible injury. With out gloves climbing over it will leave cuts and bruises. It is excellent design in many scenarios.
It will not stop an all out fan assault for sure |
So n a thread about collapsible fencing you mention kind of fence that we shouldn't use? Then you back up that post with a post saying how good this fencing is, but we shouldn't use it.
Oh behave mun.
BTW, you don't need to climb over it most of the time but if you do, it doesn't result in cuts and bruises and because it yields, pushing it over is easy enough.
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