| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? 18:21 - Oct 25 with 2542 views | KeithHaynes |
If the next two away games are lost ?
Personally I can’t see it, but Preston away next Tuesday is never easy.
When I say tolerance I’m referring to the actual losses, if they occur. The way we lose, or even how unlucky team are isn’t that important. Has RM got enough in the bank to ride out two defeats before the next home game ?
We are due another draw, maybe even have enough for a win as well. But this run has to end, disregarding Burnley of course. |  |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 19:42 - Oct 25 with 1138 views | builthjack |
The usual crew will be straight on his back if we lose.
It’s the way they are. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 19:53 - Oct 25 with 1126 views | vetchonian |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 19:42 - Oct 25 by builthjack |
The usual crew will be straight on his back if we lose.
It’s the way they are. |
it will depend on how the game goes and how we play
l we threw away too many points last season through 0playing always in a certain way.....it has been much debated and there has been evidence of adapting to opponents and the strengths of our players rather than stubbornly trying to play a system which wasn't working.
People forget how despite winning our previous manager was often slated on here as they didnt like the football despite it getting results and it wasn't Pullis or Warnock ball yet those same posters are happy to have a dig at those who dare criticise the current manager even when we were losing more than winning ....I believe in fairness which is why I get vocal
Despite what people think I'm happy with our current state long magnitude continue I expect we will have some blips along the way it's how this league is but the reverence Martin is given is ott at times |  |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 19:54 - Oct 25 with 1123 views | Catullus |
Speaking purely for myself, if we lose then the manner of the defeat will count.
For example, though we lost against Sheffield I left the ground happy enough because the improvement was obvious and we didn't deserve the defeat.
Blackburn was a turning point, I think the result lead to some pragmatism and we haven't really looked back since.
That may not be right but whatever happened to see certain "adjustments" made, wh cares now, lets just carry on winning...and being entertained.
Fickle, possibly but who really cares, keep the good times rolling as long as possible. | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:09 - Oct 25 with 1102 views | onehunglow |
At least we ve gone from suspects to crew.
Signs fans might be learning respect for the views of others is heartwarming. | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:09 - Oct 25 with 1103 views | KeithHaynes |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 19:53 - Oct 25 by vetchonian |
it will depend on how the game goes and how we play
l we threw away too many points last season through 0playing always in a certain way.....it has been much debated and there has been evidence of adapting to opponents and the strengths of our players rather than stubbornly trying to play a system which wasn't working.
People forget how despite winning our previous manager was often slated on here as they didnt like the football despite it getting results and it wasn't Pullis or Warnock ball yet those same posters are happy to have a dig at those who dare criticise the current manager even when we were losing more than winning ....I believe in fairness which is why I get vocal
Despite what people think I'm happy with our current state long magnitude continue I expect we will have some blips along the way it's how this league is but the reverence Martin is given is ott at times |
For me starting from where he did, talking of developing a squad and then doing so gives him extra time even if we lose the next two. | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:15 - Oct 25 with 1084 views | Catullus |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:09 - Oct 25 by KeithHaynes |
For me starting from where he did, talking of developing a squad and then doing so gives him extra time even if we lose the next two. |
When we hit 12 months with little obvious improvement for several months it became a worry, in fact we looked like we'd gone backwards for a while. Until Blackburn the general opinion was give him til Christmas.
I honestly think Blackburn was a turning point for whatever reason and now we look a far better team. grimes looks capable of running games and does Fulton's resurgence explain that improvement? Certainly I believe Allen coming back has helped even though he's injured right now.
I don't see us losing the next two but again, if we do, the manner of the defeat will add the context to any comments.
If we go back to the suicide tactics we have mostly abandoned then I will mention it! | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:21 - Oct 25 with 1072 views | Dr_Winston |
Certainly the nature of any defeat will bear consideration.
Two Burnleys and questions will be asked. Two tight losses and probably not, apart from the ones we already know will do their usual thing anyway. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:25 - Oct 25 with 1057 views | STID2017 |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:21 - Oct 25 by Dr_Winston |
Certainly the nature of any defeat will bear consideration.
Two Burnleys and questions will be asked. Two tight losses and probably not, apart from the ones we already know will do their usual thing anyway. |
I concur |  |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:37 - Oct 25 with 1038 views | vetchonian |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:15 - Oct 25 by Catullus |
When we hit 12 months with little obvious improvement for several months it became a worry, in fact we looked like we'd gone backwards for a while. Until Blackburn the general opinion was give him til Christmas.
I honestly think Blackburn was a turning point for whatever reason and now we look a far better team. grimes looks capable of running games and does Fulton's resurgence explain that improvement? Certainly I believe Allen coming back has helped even though he's injured right now.
I don't see us losing the next two but again, if we do, the manner of the defeat will add the context to any comments.
If we go back to the suicide tactics we have mostly abandoned then I will mention it! |
is that the same Fulton who was told he wouldnt play for us again and who many on here said wasnt good enough to play technical passing football | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:46 - Oct 25 with 1024 views | jack247 |
From the majority I’d imagine. Of course, there will be the odd one or two who will claim they have nothing against Martin, but will aim barbs at him with every other post.
Tend to agree with what’s already been said on here. If we get hammered twice, he’ll get a lot of stick. If we play well and lose undeservedly, most will get behind him. | | | |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:47 - Oct 25 with 1011 views | vetchonian |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:46 - Oct 25 by jack247 |
From the majority I’d imagine. Of course, there will be the odd one or two who will claim they have nothing against Martin, but will aim barbs at him with every other post.
Tend to agree with what’s already been said on here. If we get hammered twice, he’ll get a lot of stick. If we play well and lose undeservedly, most will get behind him. |
absolutely agree with this | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:51 - Oct 25 with 985 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Depends how we play and set up.
I said absolutely nothing when we got hammered to Burnley, because although he selected an awful team - we played the right way. That’s all we can ask.
If he goes out and plays Martinball from the off, playing ridiculous possession games in place of actually trying to get a result - then I can’t imagine there will be too much tolerance with that. |  |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:54 - Oct 25 with 991 views | vetchonian |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:51 - Oct 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Depends how we play and set up.
I said absolutely nothing when we got hammered to Burnley, because although he selected an awful team - we played the right way. That’s all we can ask.
If he goes out and plays Martinball from the off, playing ridiculous possession games in place of actually trying to get a result - then I can’t imagine there will be too much tolerance with that. |
ah but we are still playing Martinball as he is the manager in the same way Forest played Cooperball last season despite it being nothing like the football people on here christened Cooperball!!! | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:59 - Oct 25 with 977 views | raynor94 |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:47 - Oct 25 by vetchonian |
absolutely agree with this |
Yet, you are the one who aims barbs at him in every other post  |  |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:04 - Oct 25 with 958 views | jack247 |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:51 - Oct 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Depends how we play and set up.
I said absolutely nothing when we got hammered to Burnley, because although he selected an awful team - we played the right way. That’s all we can ask.
If he goes out and plays Martinball from the off, playing ridiculous possession games in place of actually trying to get a result - then I can’t imagine there will be too much tolerance with that. |
I wouldn’t tolerate that, unless teams played ultra defensively and negated us playing more directly. Even if they did, I wouldn’t tolerate passing it about in our own area or bombing forward in numbers and leaving us exposed whenever we lose possession like we often used to.
Can’t imagine either team will park the bus at home, so I’d be surprised and disappointed with lots of pointless possession at the expense of a cutting edge.
Don’t expect us to lose both anyway. | | | |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:06 - Oct 25 with 952 views | KeithHaynes |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:37 - Oct 25 by vetchonian |
is that the same Fulton who was told he wouldnt play for us again and who many on here said wasnt good enough to play technical passing football |
Despite the odd mentions elsewhere from people who don’t understand human behaviour, ever changing situations or just looking for it, he was told exactly that and was also told to find another club. It was actually three clubs that came in for him, None could match his wages and he stayed, Swansea had no choice as he is under contract. True testament to his professionalism we now have a midfielder who is doing very much ok. I’m uncertain he will retain his place even if Paterson was available. Which is a shame.
On his technical ability, he isn’t always there, can give the ball away but does the hard graft, like a grimes often unnoticed. | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:06 - Oct 25 with 946 views | Fireboy2 |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:59 - Oct 25 by raynor94 |
Yet, you are the one who aims barbs at him in every other post |
Unfortunately the problem with vetch is his negativity towards Martin has blinkered him, he doesn't realise it when he posts. |  | | |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:07 - Oct 25 with 941 views | vetchonian |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 20:59 - Oct 25 by raynor94 |
Yet, you are the one who aims barbs at him in every other post |
I guess the barbs are aimed more at those who choose to worship him.....
like I have said our previous manager was fair game despite getting us up into the play offs twice yet Martin who 3 consecutive wins agasionst Cardiff has achieved little if nothing yet he has been pronounced as a visionary and more.
He since Blackburn has appeared to have chosen to be more adaptable in his approach and a s a result we are winning more and I will be happy if this continues.
I wonder if anyone else picked up on something a few around me said on Sunday with all our possession we were often in good positions for players to shoot from outside of the Cardiff box yet only Cabango tried any shots yet Grimes, Darling Fulton and a couple of others all found themselves in a position to do so during the game... I wonder if they were acting under instruction? | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:10 - Oct 25 with 934 views | vetchonian |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:06 - Oct 25 by Fireboy2 |
Unfortunately the problem with vetch is his negativity towards Martin has blinkered him, he doesn't realise it when he posts. |
its not negativity it is objectivity .... | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:11 - Oct 25 with 932 views | vetchonian |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:04 - Oct 25 by jack247 |
I wouldn’t tolerate that, unless teams played ultra defensively and negated us playing more directly. Even if they did, I wouldn’t tolerate passing it about in our own area or bombing forward in numbers and leaving us exposed whenever we lose possession like we often used to.
Can’t imagine either team will park the bus at home, so I’d be surprised and disappointed with lots of pointless possession at the expense of a cutting edge.
Don’t expect us to lose both anyway. |
Exactly this and how often last season did we have 75% possession away from home and lost?
Home teams arent going to park the bus? | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:12 - Oct 25 with 930 views | raynor94 |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:07 - Oct 25 by vetchonian |
I guess the barbs are aimed more at those who choose to worship him.....
like I have said our previous manager was fair game despite getting us up into the play offs twice yet Martin who 3 consecutive wins agasionst Cardiff has achieved little if nothing yet he has been pronounced as a visionary and more.
He since Blackburn has appeared to have chosen to be more adaptable in his approach and a s a result we are winning more and I will be happy if this continues.
I wonder if anyone else picked up on something a few around me said on Sunday with all our possession we were often in good positions for players to shoot from outside of the Cardiff box yet only Cabango tried any shots yet Grimes, Darling Fulton and a couple of others all found themselves in a position to do so during the game... I wonder if they were acting under instruction? |
It's pointless | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:15 - Oct 25 with 914 views | Fireboy2 |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:10 - Oct 25 by vetchonian |
its not negativity it is objectivity .... |
Objectivity 🤣🤣🤣🤣 | | | |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:15 - Oct 25 with 912 views | KeithHaynes |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:07 - Oct 25 by vetchonian |
I guess the barbs are aimed more at those who choose to worship him.....
like I have said our previous manager was fair game despite getting us up into the play offs twice yet Martin who 3 consecutive wins agasionst Cardiff has achieved little if nothing yet he has been pronounced as a visionary and more.
He since Blackburn has appeared to have chosen to be more adaptable in his approach and a s a result we are winning more and I will be happy if this continues.
I wonder if anyone else picked up on something a few around me said on Sunday with all our possession we were often in good positions for players to shoot from outside of the Cardiff box yet only Cabango tried any shots yet Grimes, Darling Fulton and a couple of others all found themselves in a position to do so during the game... I wonder if they were acting under instruction? |
Very much a feature of the match analysis. | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:17 - Oct 25 with 899 views | vetchonian |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:06 - Oct 25 by KeithHaynes |
Despite the odd mentions elsewhere from people who don’t understand human behaviour, ever changing situations or just looking for it, he was told exactly that and was also told to find another club. It was actually three clubs that came in for him, None could match his wages and he stayed, Swansea had no choice as he is under contract. True testament to his professionalism we now have a midfielder who is doing very much ok. I’m uncertain he will retain his place even if Paterson was available. Which is a shame.
On his technical ability, he isn’t always there, can give the ball away but does the hard graft, like a grimes often unnoticed. |
I was always amazed that Martin cup tied him bringing him on as a sub ...it was still in the window maybe another club Champiosnhip or LG1 still in the cup may have fancied a plyer with PL and championship experience including a Wembly final appearance for their cup squad and maybe have been prepared to do some deal on his wages but we will never know as he was tied! | |
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| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:19 - Oct 25 with 893 views | raynor94 |
| Will there be more tolerance towards Russell Martin ? on 21:06 - Oct 25 by Fireboy2 |
Unfortunately the problem with vetch is his negativity towards Martin has blinkered him, he doesn't realise it when he posts. |
Exactly, the Joseph thread proves it yet again | |
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