| Russell Martin poll RESULTS 16:22 - Jan 16 with 2127 views | KeithHaynes |
A number of people seem to have the originator of the poll blocked so -
You can vote here, it closes at 9pm tonight.
The results from around 100 people reflects the following.
Phil has removed his poll but will continue with the discussions. If you do go over to his site keep it civil and don’t give the few reasons to start their usual odd behaviour.
Thanks.
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| Russell Martin poll on 16:57 - Jan 16 with 1506 views | SullutaCreturned |
I think that poll is flawed. I think it needs an "on the fence" option because whilst I tend towards no I am on the fence again.
I haven't been happy with a lot of the last 18 months but given what's been said this last week I think Martin is having the same problems as Cooper, his hands are being tied by owners who negotiate for players then pull the rug out from under him. |  | | |
| Russell Martin poll on 16:59 - Jan 16 with 1497 views | Whiterockin |
Logged in I can't access it. Logged out I can. |  | | |
| Russell Martin poll on 17:04 - Jan 16 with 1488 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin poll on 16:59 - Jan 16 by Whiterockin |
Logged in I can't access it. Logged out I can. |
Unblock and block is the only way I think. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 17:06 - Jan 16 with 1475 views | Whiterockin |
| Russell Martin poll on 17:04 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
Unblock and block is the only way I think. |
Thanks. The option is there now if posters want to vote. Possibly previously they didn't realise there was a pole. | | | |
| Russell Martin poll on 17:20 - Jan 16 with 1460 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin poll on 17:06 - Jan 16 by Whiterockin |
Thanks. The option is there now if posters want to vote. Possibly previously they didn't realise there was a pole. |
As per Phil on PS we are scrutinising the voting. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 17:38 - Jan 16 with 1426 views | max936 |
| Russell Martin poll on 16:57 - Jan 16 by SullutaCreturned |
I think that poll is flawed. I think it needs an "on the fence" option because whilst I tend towards no I am on the fence again.
I haven't been happy with a lot of the last 18 months but given what's been said this last week I think Martin is having the same problems as Cooper, his hands are being tied by owners who negotiate for players then pull the rug out from under him. |
Apparently they've got ambitions to go back to the Premiership, yeah rightio. |  |
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| Russell Martin poll on 21:04 - Jan 16 with 1282 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin poll on 17:20 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
As per Phil on PS we are scrutinising the voting. |
All votes should be scrutinised. That way people don’t get conspiracy theories in their heads and run with them.
Always has caused issues. |  |
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| Russell Martin poll on 21:30 - Jan 16 with 1271 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin poll on 21:04 - Jan 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
All votes should be scrutinised. That way people don’t get conspiracy theories in their heads and run with them.
Always has caused issues. |
Phil has a bigger issue as you are aware. It’s clear getting back on point that the 4/1 unhappiness with the way things have progressed or otherwise is evidenced on both sites, although voting on here is completely different to PS. I’ve got four people to poll 25 fans each at QPR a to get a flavour of the feeling asking the same question on Saturday. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 21:40 - Jan 16 with 1179 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin poll on 21:30 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
Phil has a bigger issue as you are aware. It’s clear getting back on point that the 4/1 unhappiness with the way things have progressed or otherwise is evidenced on both sites, although voting on here is completely different to PS. I’ve got four people to poll 25 fans each at QPR a to get a flavour of the feeling asking the same question on Saturday. |
He does.
However he seemed to think 80% no and 20% yes was the result, which isn’t too dissimilar to what we see here and suggested a removal of votes between a certain time period where the site potentially had some bots.
Combined, I think now it’s 285 no and 52 yes in total (discounting scrutinised ones).
337 total
271 no (79.9%)
66 yes (20.1%) | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 21:43 - Jan 16 with 1209 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin poll on 21:40 - Jan 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
He does.
However he seemed to think 80% no and 20% yes was the result, which isn’t too dissimilar to what we see here and suggested a removal of votes between a certain time period where the site potentially had some bots.
Combined, I think now it’s 285 no and 52 yes in total (discounting scrutinised ones).
337 total
271 no (79.9%)
66 yes (20.1%) |
That 282 is extremely questionable, Phil would admit it himself.
However, that goes both ways on either vote, for or against. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 21:47 - Jan 16 with 1144 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin poll on 21:43 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
That 282 is extremely questionable, Phil would admit it himself.
However, that goes both ways on either vote, for or against. |
Phil said those were the normal votes.
I removed the votes that people had questions over. I am simply looking for a rough (but genuine) result, I have no interest in inflated results. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 21:48]
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| Russell Martin poll on 21:51 - Jan 16 with 1162 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin poll on 21:47 - Jan 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Phil said those were the normal votes.
I removed the votes that people had questions over. I am simply looking for a rough (but genuine) result, I have no interest in inflated results. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 21:48]
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Granted, but where there’s questionable votes in any poll it just makes it pointless, as I said for both options. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 21:57 - Jan 16 with 1103 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin poll on 21:51 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
Granted, but where there’s questionable votes in any poll it just makes it pointless, as I said for both options. |
It’s the same as asking people in person though.
Some may say things because they feel it’s the right thing to say, be with their mates who all have one opinion and not wanting to be ridiculed. This is why most polling for elections is done on the phone rather than in person.
These polls allow an environment where people feel they can be honest, it’s private and confidential unless they come forward as say what they have voted for.
So while there may be the odd rogue vote you should be able to get a rough picture of the state of play. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 22:03 - Jan 16 with 1119 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin poll on 21:57 - Jan 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s the same as asking people in person though.
Some may say things because they feel it’s the right thing to say, be with their mates who all have one opinion and not wanting to be ridiculed. This is why most polling for elections is done on the phone rather than in person.
These polls allow an environment where people feel they can be honest, it’s private and confidential unless they come forward as say what they have voted for.
So while there may be the odd rogue vote you should be able to get a rough picture of the state of play. |
From both polls it’s clear there are some unhappy supporters out there, and yet our travelling support is monumental. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 22:08 - Jan 16 with 1094 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Russell Martin poll on 22:03 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
From both polls it’s clear there are some unhappy supporters out there, and yet our travelling support is monumental. |
Is it with Martin or the owners ? Mine is with the latter |  | | |
| Russell Martin poll on 22:09 - Jan 16 with 1078 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin poll on 22:08 - Jan 16 by Sirjohnalot |
Is it with Martin or the owners ? Mine is with the latter |
It should be John after recent news. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 22:13 - Jan 16 with 1032 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin poll on 22:03 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
From both polls it’s clear there are some unhappy supporters out there, and yet our travelling support is monumental. |
You will tend to find that in all places though, it’s a day out at the end of the day and you are outnumbered so it becomes more than just the football, it becomes tribal.
I remember going away to Macclesfield when we are at the foot of the football league, it was non stop singing and support - but none of us could say we were happy with where we were as a club though.
Some of the loudest away games I’ve been to have been when things have been awful at the club. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 22:16 - Jan 16 with 1016 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin poll on 22:08 - Jan 16 by Sirjohnalot |
Is it with Martin or the owners ? Mine is with the latter |
Why the owners though?
They seem to have backed him more than any other manager I can remember. If you combine comparative finances made available and support during tough times, then it’s unrivalled.
No manager is allowed an open cheque book as Cooper found out in that fateful January. We aren’t a club that can do that.
We just have to hope that the ones we bring in that we deem as sustainable are fit for purpose and not crocked loans on their offseason. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 22:17 - Jan 16 with 1035 views | max936 |
| Russell Martin poll on 21:30 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
Phil has a bigger issue as you are aware. It’s clear getting back on point that the 4/1 unhappiness with the way things have progressed or otherwise is evidenced on both sites, although voting on here is completely different to PS. I’ve got four people to poll 25 fans each at QPR a to get a flavour of the feeling asking the same question on Saturday. |
Fans at the games are the ones that count they go to games home and away Football forums offer a small or even a tiny minority of fans opinions.
I think the result you get Saturday will be far closer than any forum results, be interesting to see, without doubt. | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 22:19 - Jan 16 with 1006 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin poll on 22:17 - Jan 16 by max936 |
Fans at the games are the ones that count they go to games home and away Football forums offer a small or even a tiny minority of fans opinions.
I think the result you get Saturday will be far closer than any forum results, be interesting to see, without doubt. |
Why do they count? Everyone who supports Swansea has their view count, whether they buy a ticket is an irrelevance.
As explained before, those that attend are in a minority. We have far more supporters than 14,000. It’s only the minority that are in a position to go actually attend. Most people can’t, as our showpiece games will show. | |
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| Russell Martin poll RESULTS on 22:21 - Jan 16 with 1023 views | Badlands |
So a vote is overwhelmingly no … but but but we won a game! It must be fixed, he gave a fist bump too, great manager.
So what has been going wrong?
It's the Americans.
Wha5 about the trust putting money in?
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It's the Americans.
What about the individuals putting money in?
🤔 |  |
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| Russell Martin poll RESULTS on 22:46 - Jan 16 with 968 views | max936 |
| Russell Martin poll RESULTS on 22:21 - Jan 16 by Badlands |
So a vote is overwhelmingly no … but but but we won a game! It must be fixed, he gave a fist bump too, great manager.
So what has been going wrong?
It's the Americans.
Wha5 about the trust putting money in?
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It's the Americans.
What about the individuals putting money in?
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What money has the trust got then, no f..... knows, what individuals are you talking about? you think fans have got a couple mill stashed away to buy the swans a couple of players, have you,?
And why should individuals subsidise your Yankee butties, what's in it for them? | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 22:56 - Jan 16 with 952 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Russell Martin poll on 22:16 - Jan 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why the owners though?
They seem to have backed him more than any other manager I can remember. If you combine comparative finances made available and support during tough times, then it’s unrivalled.
No manager is allowed an open cheque book as Cooper found out in that fateful January. We aren’t a club that can do that.
We just have to hope that the ones we bring in that we deem as sustainable are fit for purpose and not crocked loans on their offseason. |
Martin wants a striker Ogbene. He scored 1 in 10 in league 1. But Martin already has a striker the board brought back from loan for him in Whittaker who was scoring at a rate 4 x times as frequently over half a season and is highly rated.
Sadly there is not much money about. Martin wanted to leave Whitttaker in league 1 and bring in Ogbene. What for? Martin has not managed Obafemi effectively and despite finding extra money for him Patterson's form has dissolved.
As far as the remote owners are concerned (the ones that count) a these issues are Martin /Winter issues. Only Martin can solve them. He is the manager.
As week speak Martin has 5 forwards available to him all fit and all under contract with only 20 games left excluding the FA cup and play offs. The owners are irrelevant if they cannot be sold. |  |
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| Russell Martin poll on 23:04 - Jan 16 with 922 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin poll on 22:56 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Martin wants a striker Ogbene. He scored 1 in 10 in league 1. But Martin already has a striker the board brought back from loan for him in Whittaker who was scoring at a rate 4 x times as frequently over half a season and is highly rated.
Sadly there is not much money about. Martin wanted to leave Whitttaker in league 1 and bring in Ogbene. What for? Martin has not managed Obafemi effectively and despite finding extra money for him Patterson's form has dissolved.
As far as the remote owners are concerned (the ones that count) a these issues are Martin /Winter issues. Only Martin can solve them. He is the manager.
As week speak Martin has 5 forwards available to him all fit and all under contract with only 20 games left excluding the FA cup and play offs. The owners are irrelevant if they cannot be sold. |
He has a striker in Whittaker who s been banging them in
Now he s brought back seemingly to get rid
No surprise | |
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| Russell Martin poll on 23:12 - Jan 16 with 887 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin poll on 22:56 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Martin wants a striker Ogbene. He scored 1 in 10 in league 1. But Martin already has a striker the board brought back from loan for him in Whittaker who was scoring at a rate 4 x times as frequently over half a season and is highly rated.
Sadly there is not much money about. Martin wanted to leave Whitttaker in league 1 and bring in Ogbene. What for? Martin has not managed Obafemi effectively and despite finding extra money for him Patterson's form has dissolved.
As far as the remote owners are concerned (the ones that count) a these issues are Martin /Winter issues. Only Martin can solve them. He is the manager.
As week speak Martin has 5 forwards available to him all fit and all under contract with only 20 games left excluding the FA cup and play offs. The owners are irrelevant if they cannot be sold. |
Martin likes to bring in players in areas we are already stocked in. Bringing in Fisher was a prime example of that who now rots on the bench.
Cullen has been playing very well and is a natural striker, Whittaker has been playing very well (but not 100% sure if he’s a natural striker). I “sort of” understand the desire to bring in another, but there are more pressing issues to deal with.
If I was the owners and knew we only had a certain amount of money to cover new players in January, I certainly would certainly veto spending most of it in a position we don’t really need. We need quality wide defenders whether that be at full back or wing back.
While this lad “can” play wing back, I am led to believe it’s not his natural position, and we go back to square pegs in round holes. | |
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