| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table 13:40 - Apr 23 with 3478 views | KeithHaynes |
You work it out 😂
There’s a few permutations. I’ve left Cardiff out who play on Sunday because their game is irrelevant.
Next Saturday
It’s such a long shot though.
This post has been edited by an administrator |  |
| |  |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 15:55 - Apr 23 with 2519 views | KeithHaynes |
All change, very long shot now.
 | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 15:59 - Apr 23 with 2507 views | Whiterockin |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 15:55 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
All change, very long shot now.
|
Is that the relegation zone some have been talking about all season. |  | | |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 17:23 - Apr 23 with 2441 views | SullutaCreturned |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 15:59 - Apr 23 by Whiterockin |
Is that the relegation zone some have been talking about all season. |
Nobody (I don't think so anyway) has been talking about it ALL season. It was defintely talked about after that bad run of 4 wins in 22. That we are still in with a shout of the play offs after that run shows what this division is like.
We shouldn't be anywhere near the play offs right now but we still have an outside chance and the fixtures this week look very interesting. |  | | |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:07 - Apr 23 with 2394 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 17:23 - Apr 23 by SullutaCreturned |
Nobody (I don't think so anyway) has been talking about it ALL season. It was defintely talked about after that bad run of 4 wins in 22. That we are still in with a shout of the play offs after that run shows what this division is like.
We shouldn't be anywhere near the play offs right now but we still have an outside chance and the fixtures this week look very interesting. |
We should be IN the play offs. This league apart from the top 4 is incredibly average. Squad wise we should really be top of that pile.
We spent much of this year in and around the bottom of the form table and we are still 3 points from playoffs. I find it incredibly frustrating that so much drama and excuses were made in January culminating in this.
We will look back at the seasons we had Piroe, Obafemi, Manning, Allen, Ntcham, Pato, Darling, Wood, Fulton, Cooper, Grimes and scratch our heads how we finished where we did. |  |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:24 - Apr 23 with 2363 views | onehunglow |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:07 - Apr 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
We should be IN the play offs. This league apart from the top 4 is incredibly average. Squad wise we should really be top of that pile.
We spent much of this year in and around the bottom of the form table and we are still 3 points from playoffs. I find it incredibly frustrating that so much drama and excuses were made in January culminating in this.
We will look back at the seasons we had Piroe, Obafemi, Manning, Allen, Ntcham, Pato, Darling, Wood, Fulton, Cooper, Grimes and scratch our heads how we finished where we did. |
Had we not literally given points away ,often by Fisher single-handedly ,we would be play offs for certain.
If we have any ambition,this season is a failure really.
If we have no ambition then it’s been a solid season.
I’m glad we didn’t go down so well done Russ | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:34 - Apr 23 with 2335 views | vetchonian |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:07 - Apr 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
We should be IN the play offs. This league apart from the top 4 is incredibly average. Squad wise we should really be top of that pile.
We spent much of this year in and around the bottom of the form table and we are still 3 points from playoffs. I find it incredibly frustrating that so much drama and excuses were made in January culminating in this.
We will look back at the seasons we had Piroe, Obafemi, Manning, Allen, Ntcham, Pato, Darling, Wood, Fulton, Cooper, Grimes and scratch our heads how we finished where we did. |
it's because we dont have the players to play Mrtins way
it's been said by many on here...
how many times have those who are now saying the playoffs are in reach have ridiculed the likes of you and I saying the squad and players are not good enough and that is why we were failing nothing to do with the manager and to mention play offs was lunacy | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:36 - Apr 23 with 2323 views | onehunglow |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:34 - Apr 23 by vetchonian |
it's because we dont have the players to play Mrtins way
it's been said by many on here...
how many times have those who are now saying the playoffs are in reach have ridiculed the likes of you and I saying the squad and players are not good enough and that is why we were failing nothing to do with the manager and to mention play offs was lunacy |
Ab. Solutely
It’s why it’s very tough on young players
When left to their basic talents,the likes of wood, Cabango and Darling are decent enough.
Insulting on this dumb closevpassingbin our. Own box was and is suicidal.
We still do it | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:46 - Apr 23 with 2286 views | KeithHaynes |
If the players can’t play in Martins way why are they doing so now ? | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:54 - Apr 23 with 2275 views | vetchonian |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:46 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
If the players can’t play in Martins way why are they doing so now ? |
because we have changed the way we play
4 at the back looking to use width rather than playing everything through the middle
Keith you yourself have said in many occasions the players were not good enough so how have they suddenly improved | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:04 - Apr 23 with 2262 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:34 - Apr 23 by vetchonian |
it's because we dont have the players to play Mrtins way
it's been said by many on here...
how many times have those who are now saying the playoffs are in reach have ridiculed the likes of you and I saying the squad and players are not good enough and that is why we were failing nothing to do with the manager and to mention play offs was lunacy |
The players ability changes depending on what the narrative is that week.
If we win then the players superb ability is used to show how great a manager Russ is. If we lose the players lack of ability is used as an excuse to not blame Russ.
The fact is, no team can play Russ’ preferred system successfully. Not even Man City would thrive under a centrally focussed possession system, it’s brainless.
58%
58%
59%
78%
60%
Looking at our last 5 wins (I have ignored the red card game) we have only gone above 60% possession once and that was against one of the weakest sides in the league under Warnock, usually saying in the high 50’s.
This is far more akin to the likes of Rodgers and Martinez. I’ve long said that the consistent 70% possession stuff is a hindrance not a benefit. It usually means we have spent far too much time knocking the ball around our own box.
Less meaningless possession, more direct passing, less passing for passing sake, wider attacking formation, 4 at the back, narrower defensive possession base.
This is the change that has happened which has allowed the players the freedom to flourish. | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:07 - Apr 23 with 2252 views | Fireboy2 |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:54 - Apr 23 by vetchonian |
because we have changed the way we play
4 at the back looking to use width rather than playing everything through the middle
Keith you yourself have said in many occasions the players were not good enough so how have they suddenly improved |
Have a gander at ntchams goal yesterday, yes we play 4 at the back but I think the players seem to be getting used to how Martin wants to play.
I just hope that the yanks see what's been going on in the last few games and realise that something good is happening so therefore will back Martin. |  | | |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:34 - Apr 23 with 2143 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:26 - Apr 23 by union_jack |
It would be nice if we could inject some pace down the flanks now that we are playing wider. |
He’s never liked wingers, always forced central players out there (who traditionally lack pace) as he doesn’t like attacking risks, he prefers to keep the ball.
At MK Dons, his most attacking natural wide threat was Ethan Laird who as we know is a defender (similar way to how we use Manning but opposite side).
If Martin really has seen the light then the top of his list should be actual wingers that he doesn’t plan on playing at full back. | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:35 - Apr 23 with 2148 views | KeithHaynes |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:54 - Apr 23 by vetchonian |
because we have changed the way we play
4 at the back looking to use width rather than playing everything through the middle
Keith you yourself have said in many occasions the players were not good enough so how have they suddenly improved |
 | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:36 - Apr 23 with 2132 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:07 - Apr 23 by Fireboy2 |
Have a gander at ntchams goal yesterday, yes we play 4 at the back but I think the players seem to be getting used to how Martin wants to play.
I just hope that the yanks see what's been going on in the last few games and realise that something good is happening so therefore will back Martin. |
Nothing to do with getting used to anything.
As I’ve shown, it’s a different system. | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:38 - Apr 23 with 2124 views | KeithHaynes |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:36 - Apr 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nothing to do with getting used to anything.
As I’ve shown, it’s a different system. |
Or a continued development of a system that is flexible to change. | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:40 - Apr 23 with 2113 views | vetchonian |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:35 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
|
Its taken him 4 years to work out his system is not successful
He changed to 4 at the back last season after a bad run only to revert to his favoured 3 at the back when the pressure was off.
Doc P has done a very good job at explaining things with data | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:51 - Apr 23 with 2075 views | KeithHaynes |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:40 - Apr 23 by vetchonian |
Its taken him 4 years to work out his system is not successful
He changed to 4 at the back last season after a bad run only to revert to his favoured 3 at the back when the pressure was off.
Doc P has done a very good job at explaining things with data |
And I’ve explained it with applied developmental learning.
Clearly not everyone learns on this forum because they knew everything from day one of their life.
And it’s taken two years. Not four. If indeed it continues to work, which I think it will.
Russell Martin believes in developmental learning giving players experiences in their training that is applied to every day life. Graham Potter did the same thing. Making people feel vulnerable in a normal every day situation and then applying that to their skills base on the football field.
The overall result is a feeling of confidence when it’s achieved.
A simple example is singing in front of team mates, getting up in front of them and actually doing it. That feeling of vulnerability, the emotion to have to do so needs conquering. This is why Martin talks about bravery. Stepping up, making decisions, conquering that fear and learning.
This is what is happening to those players who are going with him on his journey. And it’s also why certain players rebelled because they haven’t got the openness or mindset to become a better person through an affective learning environment.
This post has been edited by an administrator | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:58 - Apr 23 with 2043 views | vetchonian |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:51 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
And I’ve explained it with applied developmental learning.
Clearly not everyone learns on this forum because they knew everything from day one of their life.
And it’s taken two years. Not four. If indeed it continues to work, which I think it will.
Russell Martin believes in developmental learning giving players experiences in their training that is applied to every day life. Graham Potter did the same thing. Making people feel vulnerable in a normal every day situation and then applying that to their skills base on the football field.
The overall result is a feeling of confidence when it’s achieved.
A simple example is singing in front of team mates, getting up in front of them and actually doing it. That feeling of vulnerability, the emotion to have to do so needs conquering. This is why Martin talks about bravery. Stepping up, making decisions, conquering that fear and learning.
This is what is happening to those players who are going with him on his journey. And it’s also why certain players rebelled because they haven’t got the openness or mindset to become a better person through an affective learning environment.
This post has been edited by an administrator |
Keith
I believe in developmental learning, I have experienced thoughout my working life BUT lets be honest the change is due to a move form MArtinball
No longer do we start with 3 at the back, no longer are we playing keepball and trying to force evrything through the centre of the pitch.
Im glad that Russ has perhaps learnt and whilst it has been only 2 years here he played the same way for 2 seasons at MKDons finishing midtable twice.
As I have said elsewhere Russ switched to 4 at the back and a more direct style last season followig a bad run but then reverted to his favoured set up when the pressure was off...if he was learning he would have made the change which has brought the recent change in form much sooner during that dismal run of 4 wins in 22 | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 20:04 - Apr 23 with 2014 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 19:38 - Apr 23 by KeithHaynes |
Or a continued development of a system that is flexible to change. |
It’s all been geared towards a central and heavy possession system, there is no way this was part of the plan all along. It’s why he’s played this way for the past 3.5 years.
This is why we have no wingers at the club.
This was a fallback and not the plan or the “process” as he called it, I know that first hand.
Ramping up to 80% possession only to scale that back to high 50% was never part of the plan. Russell loves his old MK Dons ways, that would be his preferred method. But it means he would sail towards the sack, his hand was forced by what was likely to come.
Our stats aren’t as eye catching when we play this way (red card games not included for obvious reasons), we wouldn’t even have the highest possession in the league and that’s what Russ strives for. He thrives on people talking about him and his system, which is why that ridiculous goal kick routine was persevered with, it made people do a double take. | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 20:07 - Apr 23 with 2021 views | swancity |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 18:54 - Apr 23 by vetchonian |
because we have changed the way we play
4 at the back looking to use width rather than playing everything through the middle
Keith you yourself have said in many occasions the players were not good enough so how have they suddenly improved |
Again that’s untrue and factually incorrect
We’ve always played with width whether that’s through wing backs playing high up the pitch or wide midfielders. You’re trying to convince yourself to the contrary when you’re clearly wrong. | |
| Only an idiot would eat a turkey curry on Christmas day |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 20:08 - Apr 23 with 2011 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 20:07 - Apr 23 by swancity |
Again that’s untrue and factually incorrect
We’ve always played with width whether that’s through wing backs playing high up the pitch or wide midfielders. You’re trying to convince yourself to the contrary when you’re clearly wrong. |
No we haven’t, as I’ve shown. | |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 20:12 - Apr 23 with 2007 views | swancity |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 20:08 - Apr 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
No we haven’t, as I’ve shown. |
You’ve not shown anything. Laird was a good wing back of right sided midfielder who could get to the bye line to get crosses in.
You must realise that stats are of very limited use. And can’t be relied upon for anything in isolation. You crack on. I’m off 😂 | |
| Only an idiot would eat a turkey curry on Christmas day |
| |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 20:22 - Apr 23 with 1983 views | vetchonian |
| This week in the Championship + Fixtures and current table on 20:07 - Apr 23 by swancity |
Again that’s untrue and factually incorrect
We’ve always played with width whether that’s through wing backs playing high up the pitch or wide midfielders. You’re trying to convince yourself to the contrary when you’re clearly wrong. |
Under Russ the wingbacks were the most advanced players we had no wide midfileders the pan was to pass the ball through the middle using the 3 defenders and two central midfielders with the advanced wingbacks "pushing" the opponents defence back whilst in realty most managers worked this out and flooded midfield and pressed us high up the pitch knowing we would then just pass it around our backline ........
As I say its all about opinions and it is obvious we all see the game in different ways which is why opinion is often divided on individual players but it is strange when people cant see changes in style and tactics i am full of praise for Martin for finally learning what does and deosnt work. Natchams goal was a delight but would never have happened previously as the midfield would have been congested and instructed to make short passes, just as previously the long ball played by Natcham for Cullens first attempt would not have happened.
We scored three and created loads of opportunities far more than we did when playing MArtinball | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
