| Rip off degrees 13:31 - Jul 17 with 3043 views | KeithHaynes |
No more of these then.
Squirrelling
Nudism
Tofu & Advanced Throbbing
Cardboard Studies
Stodge
Denim & Applied Jeggings
Tarzanology
Nips
Stop these degrees NOW & get our idle school leavers in the fields fruit picking !
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| Rip off degrees on 13:36 - Jul 17 with 2111 views | onehunglow |
Nudism. Just seen this  |  |
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| Rip off degrees on 15:23 - Jul 17 with 2053 views | SullutaCreturned |
My half sister has an art degree which is pretty useless. She trained to be a teacher but can't get a job as anything besides a classroom assistant. Maybe she's a rubbish teacher (entirely possible because she is a cow) or maybe so many people took art just to get to Uni and the art teaching roles are heavily oversubscribed?
Either way her degree is useless. People say they are degree educated but art, media studies and film degrees, what is the point. One of those useless degrees doesn't mean you are more intelligent than me becaus I went out and got a job, I didn't have a student loan for a degree that doesn't get me a job! | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 18:08 - Jul 17 with 2013 views | Flashberryjack |
| Rip off degrees on 15:23 - Jul 17 by SullutaCreturned |
My half sister has an art degree which is pretty useless. She trained to be a teacher but can't get a job as anything besides a classroom assistant. Maybe she's a rubbish teacher (entirely possible because she is a cow) or maybe so many people took art just to get to Uni and the art teaching roles are heavily oversubscribed?
Either way her degree is useless. People say they are degree educated but art, media studies and film degrees, what is the point. One of those useless degrees doesn't mean you are more intelligent than me becaus I went out and got a job, I didn't have a student loan for a degree that doesn't get me a job! |
A lot of firms give preference to applicants with a degree when looking at job applicants, no matter what the degree was in, I know the police used to do it, |  |
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| Rip off degrees on 19:18 - Jul 17 with 1987 views | max936 |
| Rip off degrees on 18:08 - Jul 17 by Flashberryjack |
A lot of firms give preference to applicants with a degree when looking at job applicants, no matter what the degree was in, I know the police used to do it, |
It shows potential employers that the applicant has the ability to learn and the higher the value of the degree the better their chances are. |  |
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| Rip off degrees on 20:33 - Jul 17 with 1958 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Rip off degrees on 19:18 - Jul 17 by max936 |
It shows potential employers that the applicant has the ability to learn and the higher the value of the degree the better their chances are. |
Their reasoning is flawed. I know plenty of people who are/were very good at book learning but when it came to the hands on, the daily grind in the real world they were useless. | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 20:41 - Jul 17 with 1954 views | Dr_Winston |
Degrees are important, valuable things if people do them with one eye on the resultant career. They're basically worthless if you don't.
The most successful people I know did their degrees knowing what career they wanted to go into. One of my closest friends earns six figures now as a result of his economics degree. Could have been earning closer to seven figures if he was interested in going where the responsibility is rather than staying local. Other graduate friends of mine earn less than I do.
One of the most idiotic things the last Labour Government did was to set a target on the number of school leavers who went on to higher education. Degrees have become essentially valueless other than in showing that people have the aptitude to study for a degree. There is no reason why Nursing requires a degree ahead of vocational qualifications. Likewise Policing. |  |
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| Rip off degrees on 20:48 - Jul 17 with 1948 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Rip off degrees on 20:41 - Jul 17 by Dr_Winston |
Degrees are important, valuable things if people do them with one eye on the resultant career. They're basically worthless if you don't.
The most successful people I know did their degrees knowing what career they wanted to go into. One of my closest friends earns six figures now as a result of his economics degree. Could have been earning closer to seven figures if he was interested in going where the responsibility is rather than staying local. Other graduate friends of mine earn less than I do.
One of the most idiotic things the last Labour Government did was to set a target on the number of school leavers who went on to higher education. Degrees have become essentially valueless other than in showing that people have the aptitude to study for a degree. There is no reason why Nursing requires a degree ahead of vocational qualifications. Likewise Policing. |
The outcome of Blairs great focus on "education, education, education" is a lot of people who think they are too good to take "menial" jobs like working in phone shops, cleaning, lots of things, some of them prefer to remain unemployed rather than take a job they think below them. | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 20:53 - Jul 17 with 1945 views | Dr_Winston |
| Rip off degrees on 20:48 - Jul 17 by SullutaCreturned |
The outcome of Blairs great focus on "education, education, education" is a lot of people who think they are too good to take "menial" jobs like working in phone shops, cleaning, lots of things, some of them prefer to remain unemployed rather than take a job they think below them. |
One of my favourites there was some tw*t who took the Goverment to court because the DWP forced her to do some work experience in retail, who subsequently took a full time job in....Retail. [Post edited 17 Jul 2023 20:53]
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| Rip off degrees on 22:07 - Jul 17 with 1889 views | max936 |
| Rip off degrees on 20:33 - Jul 17 by SullutaCreturned |
Their reasoning is flawed. I know plenty of people who are/were very good at book learning but when it came to the hands on, the daily grind in the real world they were useless. |
You missing the bit about people with a proven record of learning, are easier to train, learning doesn't necessarily mean book learning either. | |
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| Rip off degrees on 22:54 - Jul 17 with 1866 views | onehunglow |
| Rip off degrees on 22:07 - Jul 17 by max936 |
You missing the bit about people with a proven record of learning, are easier to train, learning doesn't necessarily mean book learning either. |
Good point
Our lad has a Masters in Chemistry but has never directly used it at eork
It does show quality of thinking and planning though
It's why companies employ graduates | |
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| Rip off degrees on 23:01 - Jul 17 with 1861 views | max936 |
| Rip off degrees on 22:54 - Jul 17 by onehunglow |
Good point
Our lad has a Masters in Chemistry but has never directly used it at eork
It does show quality of thinking and planning though
It's why companies employ graduates |
Exactly, I can see both sides of the discussion though, at what percentage some go on and do well and others not so much I don't know.
But its all about the ability to learn and moreso wanting to learn, after all the years of studying they should have the desire to do well in one career of other, its not all about going to UNI for just a jolly up. | |
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| Rip off degrees on 01:25 - Jul 18 with 1831 views | Robbie |
My daughter recieved her BA graduation at the ceremony in Swansea Arena this week .
Done through Trinity / St Davids Education and Learning , can safely say not my path .
Whenever I visited her she was knee deep in paperwork and trying her best to achieve .
Diplomas in surfing and other never heard of skills , that is the current academic issue . | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 09:29 - Jul 18 with 1782 views | Boundy |
| Rip off degrees on 20:33 - Jul 17 by SullutaCreturned |
Their reasoning is flawed. I know plenty of people who are/were very good at book learning but when it came to the hands on, the daily grind in the real world they were useless. |
One of my previous roles involved interviewing candidates for a job which required manual handling working at height ,to work as part of a team, be fit etc and bearing in mind I'd been doing the job myself for 25 years at this time ,
this was for a major company with a large HR department who had the final say . The amount of times I was overruled because the persons selected to go further in the process didn't have sufficient educational qualifications but proved to be more than capable , the ones which I rejected had the job , you can guess correctly that they didn't last nor as some still are now stealing a living | |
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| Rip off degrees on 16:27 - Jul 18 with 1706 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Rip off degrees on 22:07 - Jul 17 by max936 |
You missing the bit about people with a proven record of learning, are easier to train, learning doesn't necessarily mean book learning either. |
Yeah but Uni requires a lot of book learning and not every kid who isn't good at book learning in incapable of being trained.
My own nephew was rubbish at school yet after a few years hard work he is now working for a defence contractor (bulding the Army's new armoured personnel carriers) and has been promoted to team leader because he learns the hands on stuff quickly and works hard.
That was my point really, just because someone doesnt go to Uni, i doesn't mean they can't learn/be trained easily enough. | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 16:55 - Jul 18 with 1693 views | controversial_jack |
| Rip off degrees on 16:27 - Jul 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Yeah but Uni requires a lot of book learning and not every kid who isn't good at book learning in incapable of being trained.
My own nephew was rubbish at school yet after a few years hard work he is now working for a defence contractor (bulding the Army's new armoured personnel carriers) and has been promoted to team leader because he learns the hands on stuff quickly and works hard.
That was my point really, just because someone doesnt go to Uni, i doesn't mean they can't learn/be trained easily enough. |
There are plenty of people who haven’t been to uni who aren’t up to many jobs either | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 17:13 - Jul 18 with 1688 views | max936 |
| Rip off degrees on 16:27 - Jul 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Yeah but Uni requires a lot of book learning and not every kid who isn't good at book learning in incapable of being trained.
My own nephew was rubbish at school yet after a few years hard work he is now working for a defence contractor (bulding the Army's new armoured personnel carriers) and has been promoted to team leader because he learns the hands on stuff quickly and works hard.
That was my point really, just because someone doesnt go to Uni, i doesn't mean they can't learn/be trained easily enough. |
All of that I agree with, but I don't agree with dissing Degrees etc, my lad wouldn't have had the two jobs [one current] he's had and those jobs need/needed a different skill set, he thrived in the first job and has settled in his current position. | |
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| Rip off degrees on 17:47 - Jul 18 with 1674 views | Gwyn737 |
Cracking thread this with loads of sensible ideas for ways forward.
I’m a big believer in vocational routes in and there are defiantly professions that require a degree and shouldn’t.
What we should be doing is looking at the jobs on the skilled visa list and work on recruiting for those.
On another note, please don’t buy into there being loads of crazy degrees. There are some but not many in comparison.
STEM subjects are vital but so are the arts and humanities. The world needs to be joyful, not just functional. | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 18:02 - Jul 18 with 1671 views | Dr_Winston |
I've long advocated financial support being available for a range of degrees deemed critical for National wellbeing. The STEM subjects for sure should have all sorts of scholarships and bursaries available to those wishing to study them.
I would also go one further and offer actual training contracts to anyone looking for an NHS profession; doctors, radiographers, dentists etc. Pay people full time to study for the degree, use them within local hospitals and clinics during the holidays (thus gaining actual experience too) and require a minimum commitment to doing exclusively NHS work for a period of time upon qualification. | |
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| Rip off degrees on 18:10 - Jul 18 with 1662 views | Gwyn737 |
| Rip off degrees on 18:02 - Jul 18 by Dr_Winston |
I've long advocated financial support being available for a range of degrees deemed critical for National wellbeing. The STEM subjects for sure should have all sorts of scholarships and bursaries available to those wishing to study them.
I would also go one further and offer actual training contracts to anyone looking for an NHS profession; doctors, radiographers, dentists etc. Pay people full time to study for the degree, use them within local hospitals and clinics during the holidays (thus gaining actual experience too) and require a minimum commitment to doing exclusively NHS work for a period of time upon qualification. |
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What we’re getting now for many occupations that are seen as vocations (police, a range of NHS workers etc.) is they’re not only graduating with a debt but are tied to pay scales that get left behind other graduate occupations.
I’d actually go one step further than you suggest by taking some of the pension benefits and pumping them into pay. The public sector pensions make the career too loaded at the back end. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 18:25]
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| Rip off degrees on 18:39 - Jul 18 with 1650 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Rip off degrees on 17:47 - Jul 18 by Gwyn737 |
Cracking thread this with loads of sensible ideas for ways forward.
I’m a big believer in vocational routes in and there are defiantly professions that require a degree and shouldn’t.
What we should be doing is looking at the jobs on the skilled visa list and work on recruiting for those.
On another note, please don’t buy into there being loads of crazy degrees. There are some but not many in comparison.
STEM subjects are vital but so are the arts and humanities. The world needs to be joyful, not just functional. |
I've long been an advocate of more vocational training in schools. I also agree that there aren't as many crazy degrees as all that, I think art and media studies are a waste but some sound daft while actally being useful...beach studies?
Maybe the number of places on degrees should be in realtion to the number of jobs available out in the real world? Or is it already that way?
The world does need more joy but I don't think it needs many more degree educated people who won't take a menial job. Some people may get snobby over it but there is no job below anyone, if it's legal and pays a wage it should be good enough for anyone. | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 21:31 - Jul 18 with 1610 views | majorraglan |
| Rip off degrees on 18:02 - Jul 18 by Dr_Winston |
I've long advocated financial support being available for a range of degrees deemed critical for National wellbeing. The STEM subjects for sure should have all sorts of scholarships and bursaries available to those wishing to study them.
I would also go one further and offer actual training contracts to anyone looking for an NHS profession; doctors, radiographers, dentists etc. Pay people full time to study for the degree, use them within local hospitals and clinics during the holidays (thus gaining actual experience too) and require a minimum commitment to doing exclusively NHS work for a period of time upon qualification. |
I agree with you about training contracts etc.
I know a family who’ve got 2 kids. The eldest is in Uni and the second is a healthcare apprentice for a health board. The former will hopefully graduate with a good degree from a good university, however they’ll have a shed full of debt. By the time the second child graduates they will have completed a 7 year apprenticeship (maybe it could be a tad shorter) where they will have started at the bottom and will finish up as a staff nurse. They won’t have any debt re tuition fees etc and will have been paid for the duration of the 7 years, but it’s hard going and the wages are poor. During the first year of the pandemic the youngest was working on a Covid ward dealing with death day in and day out, I’m told it was very very difficult. This kind of arrangement is a big plus for the NHS who get a motivated and well trained member of staff while the apprentice gets paid, a degree and a guaranteed job at the end of 7 years. | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 09:19 - Jul 19 with 1534 views | controversial_jack |
| Rip off degrees on 21:31 - Jul 18 by majorraglan |
I agree with you about training contracts etc.
I know a family who’ve got 2 kids. The eldest is in Uni and the second is a healthcare apprentice for a health board. The former will hopefully graduate with a good degree from a good university, however they’ll have a shed full of debt. By the time the second child graduates they will have completed a 7 year apprenticeship (maybe it could be a tad shorter) where they will have started at the bottom and will finish up as a staff nurse. They won’t have any debt re tuition fees etc and will have been paid for the duration of the 7 years, but it’s hard going and the wages are poor. During the first year of the pandemic the youngest was working on a Covid ward dealing with death day in and day out, I’m told it was very very difficult. This kind of arrangement is a big plus for the NHS who get a motivated and well trained member of staff while the apprentice gets paid, a degree and a guaranteed job at the end of 7 years. |
Mrs CJ worked on a covid ward all throughout the pandemic. It was difficult. She had no time for these anti maskers or lockdown breakers. her quote, " if ppl could see this,they wouldn't leave their houses." She genuinely didn't want thanks and couldn't understand the applause for NHS workers. She would have appreciated a decent pay rise though. | | | |
| Rip off degrees on 10:02 - Jul 19 with 1527 views | KeithHaynes |
| Rip off degrees on 09:19 - Jul 19 by controversial_jack |
Mrs CJ worked on a covid ward all throughout the pandemic. It was difficult. She had no time for these anti maskers or lockdown breakers. her quote, " if ppl could see this,they wouldn't leave their houses." She genuinely didn't want thanks and couldn't understand the applause for NHS workers. She would have appreciated a decent pay rise though. |
Kudos to your Mrs for sure, all public servants went far above what was required in a lot of cases. Have to admire their bravery in the face of so many unknowns. | |
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| Rip off degrees on 20:54 - Jul 19 with 1466 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Rip off degrees on 09:19 - Jul 19 by controversial_jack |
Mrs CJ worked on a covid ward all throughout the pandemic. It was difficult. She had no time for these anti maskers or lockdown breakers. her quote, " if ppl could see this,they wouldn't leave their houses." She genuinely didn't want thanks and couldn't understand the applause for NHS workers. She would have appreciated a decent pay rise though. |
She deserves a big pay rise for huge efforts over a long period of time.
She should be very proud of herself. |  |
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| Rip off degrees on 20:58 - Jul 19 with 1465 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Rip off degrees on 20:48 - Jul 17 by SullutaCreturned |
The outcome of Blairs great focus on "education, education, education" is a lot of people who think they are too good to take "menial" jobs like working in phone shops, cleaning, lots of things, some of them prefer to remain unemployed rather than take a job they think below them. |
Or …… a lot of people got life chances that nobody else in their families had ever had before ?
The Tory party hates critical thinking.
Universities teach critical thinking.
No connection i am sure.
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