| Caroline Flack 17:42 - Feb 15 with 9315 views | loftboy |
Found dead at home [Post edited 17 Feb 2020 13:40]
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| Caroline Flack on 19:35 - Feb 16 with 1678 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Caroline Flack on 19:33 - Feb 16 by Juzzie |
Ah, fame.
No thanks. Couldn’t put up with all that abuse for a few extra quid. |
Not now maybe, but when you were 21? |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 19:39 - Feb 16 with 1667 views | Juzzie |
| Caroline Flack on 19:35 - Feb 16 by Watford_Ranger |
Not now maybe, but when you were 21? |
Nope, not in the slightest bit interested then, and that was with less problems that social media now brings. |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 19:45 - Feb 16 with 1650 views | PunteR |
| Caroline Flack on 19:06 - Feb 16 by daveB |
what exactly should ITV be ashamed of? Putting on a tv show that you don't like but appeals to a lot of young people? I know for a fact all contestants on that and all shows on ITV get unbelievable support and offers of help but that doesn't stop tabloid papers sending out photographers to put a camera up their skirt to get pictures of their vaginas, it doesn't stop people on social media harassing a man for a year calling him muggy, selling stories on him to papers who lap it up and leaving him utterly depressed and suicidal after his grandad died.
A lot of the problems around the show and plenty of other reality shows are due to people unable to control themselves on social media and tabloids desire to destroy people as if it's a sport. You see it with Politicians, sportsmen and women, actors, actresses and well anyone in the public eye getting dogs abuse for how the look, how they act etc, it's a problem with society that has to change. The show could be taken off tv but does that solve the problem anymore than banning football would to stop racism.
Anyway quite what a show she no longer presents has to do with her death is a bit beyond me. really no one knows what happened to Caroline flack, whether she killed herself and if she did why she did it, all just speculation at the moment with many people just assuming they know whats happened and looking for a scapegoat.
From personal experience my nephews Dad died a few years ago, there was a lot of stuff on social media at the time that he had killed himself with fingers pointed at various people, after an inquest it was found that wasn't the case and he died from a reaction to the medication he was on. You just don't know whats happened but so many people seem desperate to assume and find a scapegoat. |
They should be ashamed of making crap tv. In my opinion of course.
And i know you work for them so probably touches a nerve. (sorry that sounded harsher then intended)
You're right there's plenty of other examples of poor tv but you've said yourself that the show appeals to young people. Young impressionable people. It is garbage and i've only seen a minute or two here and there.
There's loads of programs like it of course. creating celebrities from people who have no talent.
Yeh the media has a lot to answer for and all these celebrity mags but i bet the people reading those mags and papers are the same people watching Love Island etc.
There is of course a wider problem regarding how people are treated in the public eye but i cant help thinking its a self perpetuating cycle.
I wasnt blaming ITV for Flacks suicide btw. Like i said she obviously had deeper problems. [Post edited 16 Feb 2020 19:56]
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| Caroline Flack on 19:55 - Feb 16 with 1619 views | Drewster |
| Caroline Flack on 19:45 - Feb 16 by PunteR |
They should be ashamed of making crap tv. In my opinion of course.
And i know you work for them so probably touches a nerve. (sorry that sounded harsher then intended)
You're right there's plenty of other examples of poor tv but you've said yourself that the show appeals to young people. Young impressionable people. It is garbage and i've only seen a minute or two here and there.
There's loads of programs like it of course. creating celebrities from people who have no talent.
Yeh the media has a lot to answer for and all these celebrity mags but i bet the people reading those mags and papers are the same people watching Love Island etc.
There is of course a wider problem regarding how people are treated in the public eye but i cant help thinking its a self perpetuating cycle.
I wasnt blaming ITV for Flacks suicide btw. Like i said she obviously had deeper problems. [Post edited 16 Feb 2020 19:56]
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And therein lies the problem.
A lot of created ‘celebrities’ can only function by continuously being in the public eye and making Instagram posts, just so that their ‘stock value’ remains a high and they can continue to be paid thousands and appearing on any tv programme going.
However the flip side to all this is that creates jealousy and an open forum for any keyboard warrior to voice their option whether positive or not. Invariably is the latter.
Coupled with the gutter press who will build you up and throw you under the next bus when it conveniences them to sell more papers, or when a so called friend sells out for a few grand.
It’s sh!t.
It’s wrong but that’s the way it is. It’s just magnified nowadays due to the many social media platforms available.
Why can’t people just be nice to each other. |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 19:57 - Feb 16 with 1616 views | CFW |
| Caroline Flack on 19:06 - Feb 16 by daveB |
what exactly should ITV be ashamed of? Putting on a tv show that you don't like but appeals to a lot of young people? I know for a fact all contestants on that and all shows on ITV get unbelievable support and offers of help but that doesn't stop tabloid papers sending out photographers to put a camera up their skirt to get pictures of their vaginas, it doesn't stop people on social media harassing a man for a year calling him muggy, selling stories on him to papers who lap it up and leaving him utterly depressed and suicidal after his grandad died.
A lot of the problems around the show and plenty of other reality shows are due to people unable to control themselves on social media and tabloids desire to destroy people as if it's a sport. You see it with Politicians, sportsmen and women, actors, actresses and well anyone in the public eye getting dogs abuse for how the look, how they act etc, it's a problem with society that has to change. The show could be taken off tv but does that solve the problem anymore than banning football would to stop racism.
Anyway quite what a show she no longer presents has to do with her death is a bit beyond me. really no one knows what happened to Caroline flack, whether she killed herself and if she did why she did it, all just speculation at the moment with many people just assuming they know whats happened and looking for a scapegoat.
From personal experience my nephews Dad died a few years ago, there was a lot of stuff on social media at the time that he had killed himself with fingers pointed at various people, after an inquest it was found that wasn't the case and he died from a reaction to the medication he was on. You just don't know whats happened but so many people seem desperate to assume and find a scapegoat. |
How do you know they get unbelievable support? Is it the same support the poor man got from ITV who took his life following the Jeremy Kyle show. Young men and women put into situations that encourage them to have sex with each other on TV and after the show slag each other off after the show has finished.
Strange both programs are both shown on ITV - let’s hope the parents and friends of the other young people who have died since being on Love island are getting this unbelievable support. | | | |
| Caroline Flack on 20:16 - Feb 16 with 1584 views | DylanP |
| Caroline Flack on 19:06 - Feb 16 by daveB |
what exactly should ITV be ashamed of? Putting on a tv show that you don't like but appeals to a lot of young people? I know for a fact all contestants on that and all shows on ITV get unbelievable support and offers of help but that doesn't stop tabloid papers sending out photographers to put a camera up their skirt to get pictures of their vaginas, it doesn't stop people on social media harassing a man for a year calling him muggy, selling stories on him to papers who lap it up and leaving him utterly depressed and suicidal after his grandad died.
A lot of the problems around the show and plenty of other reality shows are due to people unable to control themselves on social media and tabloids desire to destroy people as if it's a sport. You see it with Politicians, sportsmen and women, actors, actresses and well anyone in the public eye getting dogs abuse for how the look, how they act etc, it's a problem with society that has to change. The show could be taken off tv but does that solve the problem anymore than banning football would to stop racism.
Anyway quite what a show she no longer presents has to do with her death is a bit beyond me. really no one knows what happened to Caroline flack, whether she killed herself and if she did why she did it, all just speculation at the moment with many people just assuming they know whats happened and looking for a scapegoat.
From personal experience my nephews Dad died a few years ago, there was a lot of stuff on social media at the time that he had killed himself with fingers pointed at various people, after an inquest it was found that wasn't the case and he died from a reaction to the medication he was on. You just don't know whats happened but so many people seem desperate to assume and find a scapegoat. |
Calm down, I think its called humour. I think he was, to use the technical term, "taking the piss." |  |
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| Caroline Flack on 20:55 - Feb 16 with 1521 views | daveB |
| Caroline Flack on 19:45 - Feb 16 by PunteR |
They should be ashamed of making crap tv. In my opinion of course.
And i know you work for them so probably touches a nerve. (sorry that sounded harsher then intended)
You're right there's plenty of other examples of poor tv but you've said yourself that the show appeals to young people. Young impressionable people. It is garbage and i've only seen a minute or two here and there.
There's loads of programs like it of course. creating celebrities from people who have no talent.
Yeh the media has a lot to answer for and all these celebrity mags but i bet the people reading those mags and papers are the same people watching Love Island etc.
There is of course a wider problem regarding how people are treated in the public eye but i cant help thinking its a self perpetuating cycle.
I wasnt blaming ITV for Flacks suicide btw. Like i said she obviously had deeper problems. [Post edited 16 Feb 2020 19:56]
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no nerve touched, as i say it's not a show that appeals to you but am sure some of the stuff you like is seen as crap by other people. We make far worse than Love Island imo, it's not a show that appeals to me but it's not supposed to really, the show itself is pretty harmless and they are well looked after it's the way the media and maniacs on social media react to it afterwards is the real issue. Society is mad at the moment, footballers get death threats when they lose a game of football, thats the bit that needs to be dealt with imo |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 21:02 - Feb 16 with 1506 views | daveB |
| Caroline Flack on 19:57 - Feb 16 by CFW |
How do you know they get unbelievable support? Is it the same support the poor man got from ITV who took his life following the Jeremy Kyle show. Young men and women put into situations that encourage them to have sex with each other on TV and after the show slag each other off after the show has finished.
Strange both programs are both shown on ITV - let’s hope the parents and friends of the other young people who have died since being on Love island are getting this unbelievable support. |
I work there so know the team involved in after show support and what they do and what they offer people not just for Love Island but many other shows. This kind of stuff has only real been ramped up and improved in recent years but there is so much help available now if people choose to take it. The Kyle thing was a different issue and was the right call for that to be taken off air due to what happened which was directly linked to what happened in the show. This Love island thing is very different. | | | |
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| Caroline Flack on 21:18 - Feb 16 with 1470 views | CFW |
| Caroline Flack on 21:02 - Feb 16 by daveB |
I work there so know the team involved in after show support and what they do and what they offer people not just for Love Island but many other shows. This kind of stuff has only real been ramped up and improved in recent years but there is so much help available now if people choose to take it. The Kyle thing was a different issue and was the right call for that to be taken off air due to what happened which was directly linked to what happened in the show. This Love island thing is very different. |
Yes you are right only one person has died following the JK show and two following Live Island | | | |
| Caroline Flack on 21:39 - Feb 16 with 1434 views | LythamR |
| Caroline Flack on 19:55 - Feb 16 by Drewster |
And therein lies the problem.
A lot of created ‘celebrities’ can only function by continuously being in the public eye and making Instagram posts, just so that their ‘stock value’ remains a high and they can continue to be paid thousands and appearing on any tv programme going.
However the flip side to all this is that creates jealousy and an open forum for any keyboard warrior to voice their option whether positive or not. Invariably is the latter.
Coupled with the gutter press who will build you up and throw you under the next bus when it conveniences them to sell more papers, or when a so called friend sells out for a few grand.
It’s sh!t.
It’s wrong but that’s the way it is. It’s just magnified nowadays due to the many social media platforms available.
Why can’t people just be nice to each other. |
"Why can’t people just be nice to each other"
Great question, unfortunately the simple answer is that you cant make much money out of "being nice" so its not something you are likely to see honestly promoted by the powers that be. |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 23:16 - Feb 16 with 1296 views | BlackCrowe |
The gutter press feeds social media.
The print tabloids were always low-lives but they've taken it up (down) several notches. They make bugger all from selling physical copies now and so it's all about online and clickbait to deliver audiences to their advertisers - and so they really are going as sordid as possible because sadly that's what the people want to read and contribute snide, sneery comments on.
The Mail has it nailed - apparently the most visited online paper in the world - it's American audience is bigger than it's UK audience apparently, which is insane.
On the quality press, The Times is still just about ok because it's 'paid for' content, Telegraph too to a lesser extent. Guardian is dropping it's standards though, again because it's 'free' and therefore relies more on sheer online traffic.
It's thoroughly depressing and i can't see it getting better. |  |
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| Caroline Flack on 23:22 - Feb 16 with 1287 views | PunteR |
| Caroline Flack on 23:16 - Feb 16 by BlackCrowe |
The gutter press feeds social media.
The print tabloids were always low-lives but they've taken it up (down) several notches. They make bugger all from selling physical copies now and so it's all about online and clickbait to deliver audiences to their advertisers - and so they really are going as sordid as possible because sadly that's what the people want to read and contribute snide, sneery comments on.
The Mail has it nailed - apparently the most visited online paper in the world - it's American audience is bigger than it's UK audience apparently, which is insane.
On the quality press, The Times is still just about ok because it's 'paid for' content, Telegraph too to a lesser extent. Guardian is dropping it's standards though, again because it's 'free' and therefore relies more on sheer online traffic.
It's thoroughly depressing and i can't see it getting better. |
Tv shows like Love Island just feeds the media machine with 'celebrities'. | |
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| Caroline Flack on 23:40 - Feb 16 with 1261 views | BlackCrowe |
| Caroline Flack on 23:22 - Feb 16 by PunteR |
Tv shows like Love Island just feeds the media machine with 'celebrities'. |
Yep indeed. They are independent, reality TV feed the press who in turn drive viewers to reality TV and on it goes . | |
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| Caroline Flack on 07:17 - Feb 17 with 1168 views | stevec |
| Caroline Flack on 21:02 - Feb 16 by daveB |
I work there so know the team involved in after show support and what they do and what they offer people not just for Love Island but many other shows. This kind of stuff has only real been ramped up and improved in recent years but there is so much help available now if people choose to take it. The Kyle thing was a different issue and was the right call for that to be taken off air due to what happened which was directly linked to what happened in the show. This Love island thing is very different. |
Am I right in thinking it’s only really free to air channels that shovel these kinds of junk programmes on us? Let’s face it you’d have to be brain dead to pay to watch that stuff.
Wonder if making everything subscription TV would wipe out the likes of Simon Cowell crap and reality tv for good. |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 08:20 - Feb 17 with 1103 views | TheChef |
| Caroline Flack on 19:45 - Feb 16 by PunteR |
They should be ashamed of making crap tv. In my opinion of course.
And i know you work for them so probably touches a nerve. (sorry that sounded harsher then intended)
You're right there's plenty of other examples of poor tv but you've said yourself that the show appeals to young people. Young impressionable people. It is garbage and i've only seen a minute or two here and there.
There's loads of programs like it of course. creating celebrities from people who have no talent.
Yeh the media has a lot to answer for and all these celebrity mags but i bet the people reading those mags and papers are the same people watching Love Island etc.
There is of course a wider problem regarding how people are treated in the public eye but i cant help thinking its a self perpetuating cycle.
I wasnt blaming ITV for Flacks suicide btw. Like i said she obviously had deeper problems. [Post edited 16 Feb 2020 19:56]
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You compare what is on TV now on all several hundred channels available, to we what we had 30 years ago or more when we only had four channels - dumbing down doesn't even cover it. |  |
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| Caroline Flack on 08:45 - Feb 17 with 1057 views | paulparker |
| Caroline Flack on 07:17 - Feb 17 by stevec |
Am I right in thinking it’s only really free to air channels that shovel these kinds of junk programmes on us? Let’s face it you’d have to be brain dead to pay to watch that stuff.
Wonder if making everything subscription TV would wipe out the likes of Simon Cowell crap and reality tv for good. |
Yep it wasn’t that long ago we had proper celebrities and family shows on a weekend evening
Brucie, monkhouse, Les Dawson , Cilla , Edmonds etc
Shows like generation game , blankety blank, bobs full house , blind date , noels house party , bullseye had a charm about them, you could watch them shows with your mum and people hosting them had talent who you warmed to
Now it’s dancing shows , singing shows , fcuking love island , made in Essex , dancing on ice and other assorted crap these shows spawn new “celebrities “ whose only talent is to cry, shag , or have white teeth , ITV are the biggest culprits for turning this old Sh1t out and dumbing down the tv
Theses “celebrities “ live their lives on social media and if your not on the daily mails Showbiz page you are yesterday’s chip shop paper , kids are now pushed into this and the pressure to look good is through the roof , we build them up to knock them down
It’s no wonder most people watch uk gold or Netflix as the crap peddled to us and the people on the tv these days is at an all time low |  |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Caroline Flack on 08:50 - Feb 17 with 1052 views | loftboy |
| Caroline Flack on 08:45 - Feb 17 by paulparker |
Yep it wasn’t that long ago we had proper celebrities and family shows on a weekend evening
Brucie, monkhouse, Les Dawson , Cilla , Edmonds etc
Shows like generation game , blankety blank, bobs full house , blind date , noels house party , bullseye had a charm about them, you could watch them shows with your mum and people hosting them had talent who you warmed to
Now it’s dancing shows , singing shows , fcuking love island , made in Essex , dancing on ice and other assorted crap these shows spawn new “celebrities “ whose only talent is to cry, shag , or have white teeth , ITV are the biggest culprits for turning this old Sh1t out and dumbing down the tv
Theses “celebrities “ live their lives on social media and if your not on the daily mails Showbiz page you are yesterday’s chip shop paper , kids are now pushed into this and the pressure to look good is through the roof , we build them up to knock them down
It’s no wonder most people watch uk gold or Netflix as the crap peddled to us and the people on the tv these days is at an all time low |
Surely blind date was the start of the crap tv where people only went on to get fame, Amanda Holden being a prime example. | |
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| Caroline Flack on 09:01 - Feb 17 with 1030 views | silverbirch |
Hi Loftboy,
Please would you change the OP to something a little more respectful?
Thanks | | | |
| Caroline Flack on 09:10 - Feb 17 with 1010 views | thame_hoops |
| Caroline Flack on 09:01 - Feb 17 by silverbirch |
Hi Loftboy,
Please would you change the OP to something a little more respectful?
Thanks |
Right Said Fred? |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 09:12 - Feb 17 with 1000 views | paulparker |
| Caroline Flack on 08:50 - Feb 17 by loftboy |
Surely blind date was the start of the crap tv where people only went on to get fame, Amanda Holden being a prime example. |
I’d say big brother | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Caroline Flack on 09:13 - Feb 17 with 1000 views | daveB |
| Caroline Flack on 07:17 - Feb 17 by stevec |
Am I right in thinking it’s only really free to air channels that shovel these kinds of junk programmes on us? Let’s face it you’d have to be brain dead to pay to watch that stuff.
Wonder if making everything subscription TV would wipe out the likes of Simon Cowell crap and reality tv for good. |
no your wrong mate. MTV have far more adult versions of these shows such as Geordie Shore, 16 and pregnant etc throughout the year, several other pay channels all based around reality shows. Free to air tv have the bigger shows which appeal to more people but pay tv is full of these shows | | | |
| Caroline Flack on 09:18 - Feb 17 with 989 views | thame_hoops |
| Caroline Flack on 09:13 - Feb 17 by daveB |
no your wrong mate. MTV have far more adult versions of these shows such as Geordie Shore, 16 and pregnant etc throughout the year, several other pay channels all based around reality shows. Free to air tv have the bigger shows which appeal to more people but pay tv is full of these shows |
I don't think we're the target audiences tbf. I hate modern TV so much so I just watch netflix/prime or download movie torrents. Saw a commercial for celeb come dine with me and only recognised dave benson Phillips! everyone else I presume was a Essex regular due to the accents and dentures | | | |
| Caroline Flack on 09:18 - Feb 17 with 986 views | hubble |
People are ignorant and we are awash in tawdry trash. 4 and a half billion years to get to this. Bizarre doesn't cover it. I feel sorry for the poor young woman who took her life though. |  | | |
| Caroline Flack on 09:28 - Feb 17 with 960 views | daveB |
| Caroline Flack on 08:45 - Feb 17 by paulparker |
Yep it wasn’t that long ago we had proper celebrities and family shows on a weekend evening
Brucie, monkhouse, Les Dawson , Cilla , Edmonds etc
Shows like generation game , blankety blank, bobs full house , blind date , noels house party , bullseye had a charm about them, you could watch them shows with your mum and people hosting them had talent who you warmed to
Now it’s dancing shows , singing shows , fcuking love island , made in Essex , dancing on ice and other assorted crap these shows spawn new “celebrities “ whose only talent is to cry, shag , or have white teeth , ITV are the biggest culprits for turning this old Sh1t out and dumbing down the tv
Theses “celebrities “ live their lives on social media and if your not on the daily mails Showbiz page you are yesterday’s chip shop paper , kids are now pushed into this and the pressure to look good is through the roof , we build them up to knock them down
It’s no wonder most people watch uk gold or Netflix as the crap peddled to us and the people on the tv these days is at an all time low |
It's a generation thing though, I remember watching those shows you talk about and my Grandad telling me it was all a pile of crap and tv had been dumbed down, he used to lose the plot over Blind Date and Noels House Party. Go back to the early 70's and look at the reaction to Monty Python, it wasn't positive.
Today there is a lot of shit on but you still have your family Entertainment shows which may not appeal to you but the likes of Strictly, Britains Got Talent, Greatest Dancer, Dancing on Ice, Ant & dec, I'm a Celeb etc are entertainment shows for families, they still exist they just probably don't appeal to you. If Tv was only full of serious dramas, sit com which everyone likes and meaningful documentaries then it would have a far smaller audience. It's impossible to appeal to everyone, on all channels there will be some shows you like and some you don't and for some people they will think every show is crap, thats fine as we're all different.
One thing I've learnt from this forum is that it doesn't seem to matter what the subject is people will be furious about it. From a tv show to a film release to a new song or state of politics, people get furious and are certain what they like is what everyone else should like and that's before we get to the football. We're all different though and all have different needs and likes. I count myself among this as well as I get just as worked up over daft things as everyone else. Until we get to a place where everyone can just accept that people are different and have different views I don't think anyone can be happy, it's all a bit mad really. | | | |
| Caroline Flack on 10:35 - Feb 17 with 883 views | paulparker |
| Caroline Flack on 09:28 - Feb 17 by daveB |
It's a generation thing though, I remember watching those shows you talk about and my Grandad telling me it was all a pile of crap and tv had been dumbed down, he used to lose the plot over Blind Date and Noels House Party. Go back to the early 70's and look at the reaction to Monty Python, it wasn't positive.
Today there is a lot of shit on but you still have your family Entertainment shows which may not appeal to you but the likes of Strictly, Britains Got Talent, Greatest Dancer, Dancing on Ice, Ant & dec, I'm a Celeb etc are entertainment shows for families, they still exist they just probably don't appeal to you. If Tv was only full of serious dramas, sit com which everyone likes and meaningful documentaries then it would have a far smaller audience. It's impossible to appeal to everyone, on all channels there will be some shows you like and some you don't and for some people they will think every show is crap, thats fine as we're all different.
One thing I've learnt from this forum is that it doesn't seem to matter what the subject is people will be furious about it. From a tv show to a film release to a new song or state of politics, people get furious and are certain what they like is what everyone else should like and that's before we get to the football. We're all different though and all have different needs and likes. I count myself among this as well as I get just as worked up over daft things as everyone else. Until we get to a place where everyone can just accept that people are different and have different views I don't think anyone can be happy, it's all a bit mad really. |
Those shows you mention dont have proper celebrities on them half the time they are made up of reality based “stars”
BGT, strictly, dancing on ice you have to have a sob story to win
You work for a station that produces ITVBe a station devoted to how you look, act, what wealth you have got, who you can show up or bully , people feel they have to that live (and yes it’s sad i know ) but that’s modern celebrity for you | |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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