| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread 16:46 - Oct 26 with 26007 views | FredManRave |
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:21 - Oct 26 with 1529 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 22:44 - Oct 26 by VancouverHoop |
I'm sorry you don't like it but that's the way they looked to me. Knackered.
It's not an excuse, and I agree that at this point in the season they shouldn't. I have no idea why they did, but they looked listless and out of gas well before half-time. Overall Kakay was our best player by some distance. The penalty loss was absolutely no surprise at all, though the manner of most of the shots just underline my point. |
So you're seriously suggesting that Chair and Barbet took such abominable kicks because they just couldn't raise the energy to try and score them and get us through to a cup QF? Behave! If that's true, let's all just watch Chesham United!
That said, I'm sure the players were affected mentally by the disallowed goal, which was such a bad decision it makes you wonder about corruption. Where is the accountability for any of these officials? I'm quite sure we'd have gone through had the goal stood as it should have, and I empathise with Warburton tonight, who looked absolutely disconsolate in the post-match interview. However, the best players deal pscyhologically with adversity rather than folding, and, had we done so, we could have made sure we booked our place in the quarters regardless. So much for having your experienced players to get you over the line (Charlie, Barbet) - they really let us down tonight!
The set-up was still wrong - Albert should have started, and it was a stupid idea to push Chair back into midfield and have him hunting for the ball so deep. We also worked their keeper terribly little in the second half particularly, even with two strikers up top. I also think Warburton may have to give up on Gray and send him back - we might as well have Bonne or Kelman in there for all he's contributing. At best, we remain a work in progress.
Forest now feels a pressure game, and we need a proper 90 min performance that leaves nothing/everything on the pitch. The players will need a win to get tonight out of their system. And so will I. |  |
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:22 - Oct 26 with 1527 views | Logman |
I'm with you Saxbend. Perfectly OK and considered team selection and substitutions plus all the players trying hard with a clear enough plan. |  | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:26 - Oct 26 with 1487 views | stowmarketrange |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:09 - Oct 26 by DWQPR |
I sat level with the goal and as the photo shows it wasn’t even close. And it was certainly handball which I said at the time. If there is some good that comes out of this then it would be that the cûnt midget Stroud is struck off from referring any kind of match in the future and that his lino is shoved right up his arÅ›e. There is no doubt about it we was cheated out of the win tonight. Cheated. I suspect that Clive will award his first minus mark for that cünt in his report. |
As much as I’d like to blame Stroud for that,he can only go by what the Lino tells him.He can overrule him but it would take a brave ref to do that to someone who supposedly has a better view.
It’s all the linos fault. |  | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:32 - Oct 26 with 1397 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:26 - Oct 26 by stowmarketrange |
As much as I’d like to blame Stroud for that,he can only go by what the Lino tells him.He can overrule him but it would take a brave ref to do that to someone who supposedly has a better view.
It’s all the linos fault. |
They're both as bad as each other. Why the hell didn't the ghostly/mythic 4th official overrule both of them if that's what it took?
The club should not take this lying down and need to complain in the strongest possible terms. If Stroud and his shower turn up at HQ any time soon, I think the rule about not throwing things should be suspended for 90 mins. Tonight, we were done up like a kipper by such crass incompetence. Call me insane, but I'm convinced Chair's and Barbet's pens were self-sabotating statements to the referee, and I think Warburton's refusal to comment on the psychology of the kickers corroborates it. | |
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:36 - Oct 26 with 1367 views | JamesB1979 |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:26 - Oct 26 by stowmarketrange |
As much as I’d like to blame Stroud for that,he can only go by what the Lino tells him.He can overrule him but it would take a brave ref to do that to someone who supposedly has a better view.
It’s all the linos fault. |
Yeah agree with that. I can’t remember seeing a ref overall a linesman like that. He may have thought that he was on but you’ve got to trust the guy who is not only level with the play but it’s his job! 4th official is irrelevant. He’s got worse view than all of them and as far as I know can’t use tv to help. I thought most hated VAR anyway? It’s there to stop shit like this. | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:37 - Oct 26 with 1357 views | stowmarketrange |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:32 - Oct 26 by stainrods_elbow |
They're both as bad as each other. Why the hell didn't the ghostly/mythic 4th official overrule both of them if that's what it took?
The club should not take this lying down and need to complain in the strongest possible terms. If Stroud and his shower turn up at HQ any time soon, I think the rule about not throwing things should be suspended for 90 mins. Tonight, we were done up like a kipper by such crass incompetence. Call me insane, but I'm convinced Chair's and Barbet's pens were self-sabotating statements to the referee, and I think Warburton's refusal to comment on the psychology of the kickers corroborates it. |
How can the 4th official overrule the Lino from 60 yards away?We haven’t got var in the championship and I don’t think we should have either.
We got cheated out of it by a poor linesman,but we didn’t do much else during the 90 mins and were very poor in the shootout. | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:37 - Oct 26 with 1355 views | QPR_John |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:26 - Oct 26 by stowmarketrange |
As much as I’d like to blame Stroud for that,he can only go by what the Lino tells him.He can overrule him but it would take a brave ref to do that to someone who supposedly has a better view.
It’s all the linos fault. |
Surely Stroud overruled the lineman that can be the only explanation. The linesman would have put his flag up immediately the ball entered the net. Clearly he did not think it offside at the time so what changed his mind | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:38 - Oct 26 with 1350 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:32 - Oct 26 by stainrods_elbow |
They're both as bad as each other. Why the hell didn't the ghostly/mythic 4th official overrule both of them if that's what it took?
The club should not take this lying down and need to complain in the strongest possible terms. If Stroud and his shower turn up at HQ any time soon, I think the rule about not throwing things should be suspended for 90 mins. Tonight, we were done up like a kipper by such crass incompetence. Call me insane, but I'm convinced Chair's and Barbet's pens were self-sabotating statements to the referee, and I think Warburton's refusal to comment on the psychology of the kickers corroborates it. |
You expected the 4th official stood on the half way line to overrule? lol
And our penalties were just shit: try not to read more into them than that. |  | | |
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:40 - Oct 26 with 1328 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:37 - Oct 26 by QPR_John |
Surely Stroud overruled the lineman that can be the only explanation. The linesman would have put his flag up immediately the ball entered the net. Clearly he did not think it offside at the time so what changed his mind |
Stroud signalled a goal straight away: he was the first person I looked at given his record of feckwittery. | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:45 - Oct 26 with 1274 views | WatfordR |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:38 - Oct 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
You expected the 4th official stood on the half way line to overrule? lol
And our penalties were just shit: try not to read more into them than that. |
Just seen Warburton's interview, and he said that at the time he was told immediately by the 4th official it was offside. How did the 4th official know that "immediately"?
It wasn't the linesman's view because his flag didn't go up for at least five seconds after the goal. Is the 4th official linked up to the lino and ref? |  | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:46 - Oct 26 with 1263 views | QPR_John |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:40 - Oct 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
Stroud signalled a goal straight away: he was the first person I looked at given his record of feckwittery. |
Just seen the replay of the “goal” and before it gets to Austin it hits the defender. Now there were two instances shown on Match of the Day were a player was in an offside position but because a defender put a foot out to deflect the ball it was deemed a second phase so the “offside” player was then deemed onside. They really do make it up as they go along. | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:48 - Oct 26 with 1236 views | QPR_John |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:45 - Oct 26 by WatfordR |
Just seen Warburton's interview, and he said that at the time he was told immediately by the 4th official it was offside. How did the 4th official know that "immediately"?
It wasn't the linesman's view because his flag didn't go up for at least five seconds after the goal. Is the 4th official linked up to the lino and ref? |
But of course we all know now Austin was clearly not offside. Bet even now they are working on a story to justify the decision | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:49 - Oct 26 with 1227 views | Toast_R |
Just back home and in bed. Won't sleep tonight, I'm still too pissed off. In my earlier disgust I had to get out of the Stadium after Barbet's row Z'der and foolishly left my bag under my seat, so half way back to Shepherds Bush I realised this had to go back and get it. Then it rained. I'm fuming, the linesman is what he was being called after that decision. I can take losing, I can take a poor performance but that was just rank officiating and I feel like Graham Taylor did after Koeman pulled down David platt and managed to stay on the pitch. There's nothing you can do about it. |  | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:51 - Oct 26 with 1216 views | WatfordR |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:46 - Oct 26 by QPR_John |
Just seen the replay of the “goal” and before it gets to Austin it hits the defender. Now there were two instances shown on Match of the Day were a player was in an offside position but because a defender put a foot out to deflect the ball it was deemed a second phase so the “offside” player was then deemed onside. They really do make it up as they go along. |
Well they certainly made it up tonight because Austin was never offside, and it also looked to me that Albert's shot was deflected wide of the goal and towards Charlie by the defender's arm. It was really one of the worst decisions you'll ever see, whoever made it. | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:52 - Oct 26 with 1212 views | stowmarketrange |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:37 - Oct 26 by QPR_John |
Surely Stroud overruled the lineman that can be the only explanation. The linesman would have put his flag up immediately the ball entered the net. Clearly he did not think it offside at the time so what changed his mind |
I think the Lino made a mistake,but he dithered too much about whether Austin was offside or not.Maybe because charlie ended up with only 1 defender in front of him the Lino thought he must’ve been offside when he headed it in. | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:52 - Oct 26 with 1211 views | GaryT |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:40 - Oct 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
Stroud signalled a goal straight away: he was the first person I looked at given his record of feckwittery. |
Deleted message. The Lino over rules what Stroud thought he saw so ...bollox. [Post edited 26 Oct 2021 23:56]
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:56 - Oct 26 with 1178 views | Rs_Holy |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:00 - Oct 26 by ManinBlack |
It is puzzling how we can score all 8 penalties against Everton and then only score one out of 4 tonight. Where did the composure go?
The disallowed goal is even more of a sickener as it ended our sequence of scoring in every match. Still I guess we have still scored in every league game. |
Well looking at the footage we did score a perfectly good goal... so despite the rubbish performance this evening the scoring record continues... Shove that up yer pipe you useless f'kin lino! |  | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:56 - Oct 26 with 1176 views | FredManRave |
I'll just add how all this "we didn't deserve to win is poppycock in the scheme of things. We scored a legitimate goal which was unfathomably chalked off.
It was a cup game. Playing well is a bonus but it's ALL about the result and we were unfairly denied it due to incompetence on a level you won't see repeated in a very long time.
Absolutely gutted about the way we were robbed and what we've been robbed of! | |
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:58 - Oct 26 with 1166 views | JamesB1979 |
I’ve just watched highlights and Stroud points to halfway line. That signals kick off and goal no? It’s an unbelievably shocking decision by the linesman. Only one of the defenders appealed too. | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 00:06 - Oct 27 with 1120 views | Superhoop83 |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:58 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
I’ve just watched highlights and Stroud points to halfway line. That signals kick off and goal no? It’s an unbelievably shocking decision by the linesman. Only one of the defenders appealed too. |
He also took ages to raise his flag.
I looked over after the goal, his flag was down, I celebrated for a couple of seconds and then saw his flag up.
Appalling. |  |
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 00:24 - Oct 27 with 1059 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:36 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
Yeah agree with that. I can’t remember seeing a ref overall a linesman like that. He may have thought that he was on but you’ve got to trust the guy who is not only level with the play but it’s his job! 4th official is irrelevant. He’s got worse view than all of them and as far as I know can’t use tv to help. I thought most hated VAR anyway? It’s there to stop shit like this. |
Warburton said in his p/m interview (I think) the 4th official has a monitor - can someone confirm this? it doesn't change the fact that the lot of them got it totally wrong, and basically (probably) stopped us going through. | |
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 00:29 - Oct 27 with 1056 views | WatfordR |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 00:24 - Oct 27 by stainrods_elbow |
Warburton said in his p/m interview (I think) the 4th official has a monitor - can someone confirm this? it doesn't change the fact that the lot of them got it totally wrong, and basically (probably) stopped us going through. |
Warbs said he was told "immediately" by the 4th official it was offside. If the 4th official is hooked up to talk to the linos and ref, I suspect it's him who is responsible for this. | | | |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 00:37 - Oct 27 with 1006 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 23:38 - Oct 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
You expected the 4th official stood on the half way line to overrule? lol
And our penalties were just shit: try not to read more into them than that. |
I'd rather risk over- reading than under-read our pens - I'd rather over-read than under-read anything. It's not good enough on Warburton's part to say the misses were 'inexplicable' imo, given how grossly poor they were. In the end, the shoot-out was our downfall, so it needs to be analysed like everything else. I still say they had a strong whiff of self-sabotage.
The 4th official, as Warburton explained, has a monitor, an earpiece, and verbal contact with the ref, so he could have intervened or at least influenced things. Warbs said he told him it was offside, so he obviously wasn't so far away he felt he couldn't make that particular call. The problem is, it was the wrong call, and we were cheated. As I say, it looks like both he and the ref were overruled/dictated to by the linesman in effect, which is doubly bad. So stop laughing at me, and try and think clearly.
As for the note of scepticism about VAR, give me strength! Had we had it, the officials would have had no hiding place and would have had to award the goal. Who knows what might have happened had we got to the QF in the only cup we've ever won? Johnson must be laughing all the way back to Wearside, but how he has the effrontery to say they controlled the 2nd half and deserved to win . . . well, he needs a smack in the mouth!
I suspect the manager will need lifting for Friday as much as anyone, and the role of the fans in the ground on the night is likely to play its part - not that it helped at Fulham or Peterborough. To use one of MW's favourite words, we'll need to 'channel' our wounds, and the experienced players will need to step up. I hope it's spicy. [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 0:39]
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 00:41 - Oct 27 with 988 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 22:49 - Oct 26 by ted_hendrix |
Look I've calmed down a bit 
We scored a perfectly legal goal that was disallowed, that's a bastard to take but yes theses things happen, what disappoints me though is we had the opportunity to put it right in the penalty shoot out and we didnt, we have good players to take penalties we all know that and I was wrongly oozing with confidence when Charlie stepped up, christ alive our penalties were bloody awful almost unprofessional and thats what let us down.
Golden opportunity tonight for the club and we've let it slip away by being poor from the penalty spot. |
They weren't 'almost' unprofessional - they were wage-dockingly, toe-curlingly, soul-destroyingly unprofessional, and I hope Clive will find some of his own brand of purple prose to describe them to complement mine. | |
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| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 00:44 - Oct 27 with 989 views | The_Beast1976 |
| QPR vs Sunderland - Losing Match Thread on 00:06 - Oct 27 by Superhoop83 |
He also took ages to raise his flag.
I looked over after the goal, his flag was down, I celebrated for a couple of seconds and then saw his flag up.
Appalling. |
I did exactly the same. Saw the ref signal goal. I was astounded when the linesman then flagged for offside. WTF was he thinking. Unreal | | | |
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