| Southgate is Garbage at managing England 12:01 - Jun 20 with 6878 views | numptydumpty |
There are plenty on here and throughout the country who constantly give this man a consistent hammering about everything he does for the England football team.
Myself personally I find this hard to comprehend.
The guy has done a fantastic job. Quarters, Semis and Final at last three major tournaments and the team spirit and togetherness which Gerrard Lampard Ferdinand era lacked spectacularly, is superb.
That's down to one man. Ie Mr Southgate.
I know what the justifications will be, we not beaten a so called elite side at finals for some time.
But really.
England have some superb attacking talent and also they want to play for Southgate and England.
So you Southgate knockers come on and speak your minds and explain why the man's skills are lacking !!
Am all ears !! [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 12:03]
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:11 - Jun 20 with 4060 views | stantheman10 |
Because he's a loser. He might be a nice bloke and the players may love him but he's supposedly got the best national squad in Europe if not the world and he still can't win anything. I would question any manager that thinks Maguire and Henderson are two of the best players in England! |  | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:12 - Jun 20 with 4053 views | Hoopsie |
Didn’t England get relegated into league B of the UEFA nations league?
Managers usually get sacked for failure |  |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:30 - Jun 20 with 3984 views | daveB |
at least 5 pages of people slagging Southgate off to follow
I think he's done a good job overall, made a few mistakes but has helped put together a very good England team who seem to get better with each tournament. Who knows if we'll win anything, The French team are also superb at the moment but we're not far away |  | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:32 - Jun 20 with 3979 views | Sonofpugwash |
No mention of the dire quality of the opposition?
It's a sub standard international scene atm,North Macedonia managed somehow to beat Italy in the WC qualifying.
Southgate's been lucky and playing some Warburtonesque football - ever passing back to the goalie - to cure even the most ardent insomniac. |  |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:44 - Jun 20 with 3924 views | Hayesender |
He's done a good job, but I can't quite forgive him for not going for the win in the euro final against a poor Italian side |  |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:46 - Jun 20 with 3899 views | digswellhoop |
though a good result last night it was only norh masadonia | | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:49 - Jun 20 with 3902 views | Antti_Heinola |
Think Southgate has done a fabulous job.
There was a really poor period after the Euros and before the World Cup, including that humbling by Hungary; but I don't really think there are any alternatives and it seems the team is evolving excitingly again. Very unfortunate v France at the WC too.
Lots I disagree with: at the World Cup, the underuse of Rashford was baffling and his continued faith in Maguire is beyond comprehension. But the perfect manager doesn't exist. It doesn't matter who he picks, about 60% of people will be furious about one or two selections.
I don't think many fans really appreciate how hard it is to win an international tournament. We have a great side now, but we've never had a Messi, a Maradona, an Mbappe or whoever. Most teams that win those tournaments have that sort of genius - or they are Germany :)
No coincidence that the one we did win was at a time when we genuinely had one of the best forwards on earth in Bobby Charlton. |  |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:50 - Jun 20 with 3894 views | Juzzie |
It's OK, when Southgate does go there will be literally thousands of people able to apply for the job, such is their knowledge & ability at International level. |  | | |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:52 - Jun 20 with 3879 views | Monkey_Roots |
I think he's great, I have almost no complaints - He's led us to a final, semi-final, which is fantastic.
My one issue is the Calvin Phillips selection - how does that get justified?
How can you turn around and tell the players who play week in, week out for their club, that its not enough - you need to NOT play for Man City and you'll get in my squad. |  | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:00 - Jun 20 with 3815 views | CamberleyR |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:49 - Jun 20 by Antti_Heinola |
Think Southgate has done a fabulous job.
There was a really poor period after the Euros and before the World Cup, including that humbling by Hungary; but I don't really think there are any alternatives and it seems the team is evolving excitingly again. Very unfortunate v France at the WC too.
Lots I disagree with: at the World Cup, the underuse of Rashford was baffling and his continued faith in Maguire is beyond comprehension. But the perfect manager doesn't exist. It doesn't matter who he picks, about 60% of people will be furious about one or two selections.
I don't think many fans really appreciate how hard it is to win an international tournament. We have a great side now, but we've never had a Messi, a Maradona, an Mbappe or whoever. Most teams that win those tournaments have that sort of genius - or they are Germany :)
No coincidence that the one we did win was at a time when we genuinely had one of the best forwards on earth in Bobby Charlton. |
And one of the best defenders on earth, the other Bobby. |  |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:02 - Jun 20 with 3781 views | joe90 |
The thing about England is we always seem to smash countries like Malta and Macedonia etc, but lose when it counts.
Yes, Southgate has had relative success as England manager, but my big criticism was his choice of penalty takers in the Euro finals.
I find England so utterly joyless to watch. When I was younger I found big tournaments exciting, but the older I got and more I understood about football, the more I hate watching England. And don't get me started on the fans...
Can't see us winning a major tournament anytime soon. Would love to be proved wrong, but watching the last World Cup you see other countries just have something we don't and it's that something that makes them play more exciting football and win.
We produce plenty of great players, but the English football establishment is an uninspired, conservative institution that will get nothing out the great talent of players we have. I completely understand why players from certain backgrounds don't want to represent England. |  | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:09 - Jun 20 with 3762 views | robith |
There is a doubt over whether he is the man to take England to the very top. He is overly cautious, and he's often stumped technically and tactically by high possession teams in big games.
But to doubt the job he's done? Madness. England were losing to Iceland and sacking Fat Sam after one match when he took over. He has raised the standards, restored the pride and made England genuine competitors. A huge success |  | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:19 - Jun 20 with 3702 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:52 - Jun 20 by Monkey_Roots |
I think he's great, I have almost no complaints - He's led us to a final, semi-final, which is fantastic.
My one issue is the Calvin Phillips selection - how does that get justified?
How can you turn around and tell the players who play week in, week out for their club, that its not enough - you need to NOT play for Man City and you'll get in my squad. |
Do agree, but are there genuinely any other options about who play in that position? Who's he keeping out?
I think we might see Phillips play more for City this year. That's what Pep did with Stones and Grealish to some extent, and even Sterling had a quiet first year there. Then hopefully we can reap rewards.
Southgate's argument will be he was excellent at the Euros - which everyone agreed on at the time. He's very loyal, but maybe too loyal. | |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:21 - Jun 20 with 3693 views | supahoopsa |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:09 - Jun 20 by robith |
There is a doubt over whether he is the man to take England to the very top. He is overly cautious, and he's often stumped technically and tactically by high possession teams in big games.
But to doubt the job he's done? Madness. England were losing to Iceland and sacking Fat Sam after one match when he took over. He has raised the standards, restored the pride and made England genuine competitors. A huge success |
The England football team need a BazBall intervention just like the English cricket team - play expanisive, aggressive, attacking football - go all out for the win, the players really loving an environment where they can express themselves and play with the freedom the cricket team does.
Just imagine the excitement |  |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:21 - Jun 20 with 3686 views | Toast_R |
This is classic 'Careful what you wish for' football fan's know best nonsense.
Look at where England were before Southgate took over; didn't get the group stages in Brazil 2014, humbled by Iceland at Euro 2016 with a manager putting his faith in Wayne Rooney and a 1 start a season forever injured Jack Wilshire... with Harry Kane taking the pissing corners... and then appointed Sam Allardyce as manager. Jesus wept.
If you think the enormous amount of progress made the last 7 years with the current England setup is to do with the English FA then think again. This is all Southgate from top to bottom. He has taken us from an absolute laughing stock performing worse than Wales with players who would put club before country, to genuine international contenders - 7 years. We now have England players replicating their club form at International level and in some cases, playing better for their country than they do for their clubs. When has that ever happened? Some of the players he's blooded wouldn't have got a look in under previous Managers. I'm a firm believer that if a first you don't succeed, then bloody well try again. He's got us closer than anyone since Alf Ramsey.
Joachim Löw at Germany. He got closer and closer (pardon the pun) until he won a World Cup. No one in Germany would have been calling for a replacement after a couple of near failures in 2008, 2010 & 2012. Southgate has more than earned the right for one more go IMO. |  | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:44 - Jun 20 with 3600 views | connell10 |
He looks like a Camel .....for that reason he gives me the hump. |  |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:57 - Jun 20 with 3535 views | derbyhoop |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:00 - Jun 20 by CamberleyR |
And one of the best defenders on earth, the other Bobby. |
You could also add Wilson and Banks to the 2 Bobby's.
An England side with 4 world class players.
Now we have to pick Maguire, because there are no better CBs |  |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:58 - Jun 20 with 3542 views | Bluce_Ree |
The f**k out of here, LFW Forum.
He got us to a penalty shoot out in the final. Sure he let three players go up who everyone could see would miss but at that point it's out of his hands a bit. But his record is sensational in comparison to everyone else who has had the job. And that Nations League thing is some bullshit piss. I don't even know what it is. The FA Trophy of national shit.
Same mentality as if Man City had lost that Champs League final. It'd be like 'Guardiola is a failure' when really he's the c**t who won them the league a load of times in a row and what would have 'only' be the double. |  |
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| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 14:09 - Jun 20 with 3479 views | terryb |
He has a better record than Venables & Robson, two managers that seem to be revered!
I have no idea how good Southgate is as a manager, but it looks to me that he has installed a spirit among the players that I've not seen in my lifetime.
He also has the luxury of having players available that would be selected by ALL other countries & with all of them wanting to play for England. It would be the icing on the cake if we could find at least one world class central defender, but look at the quality in front & beside of Stones & Maguire.
Two good candidates for each full back position, Alexander-Arnold, Rice & Bellingham in front of them & then pick three from the following: Saka, Foden, Grealish, Maddison, Rashford, Eze & Kane.
Maybe the biggest problem is the ability of replacements for midfield & Kane, but this is THE best England team since 1970 (and better than 1966).
I, for one, prefer watching this England team than any before! | | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 14:27 - Jun 20 with 3405 views | LunarJetman |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:57 - Jun 20 by derbyhoop |
You could also add Wilson and Banks to the 2 Bobby's.
An England side with 4 world class players.
Now we have to pick Maguire, because there are no better CBs |
Southgate had Tomori in the squad at one point but he’s doggy sticking with Maguire rather than give players actually playing for their clubs a chance…. |  | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 15:04 - Jun 20 with 3297 views | daveB |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 12:44 - Jun 20 by Hayesender |
He's done a good job, but I can't quite forgive him for not going for the win in the euro final against a poor Italian side |
They were far from poor, hadn't lost for something like 30 odd games and beat some good sides in Spain and Belgium to get to the final. | | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 15:06 - Jun 20 with 3286 views | daveB |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 13:21 - Jun 20 by supahoopsa |
The England football team need a BazBall intervention just like the English cricket team - play expanisive, aggressive, attacking football - go all out for the win, the players really loving an environment where they can express themselves and play with the freedom the cricket team does.
Just imagine the excitement |
Isn't that what they have done the last 4 games, they've been brilliant to watch in these qualifiers | | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 15:46 - Jun 20 with 3186 views | denhamhoop2 |
Personally think he is too cautious as both a man and manager but consider where he has taken England from losing to Iceland a team built around a long throw and lots of hustle and energy to a Major Tournament Final and Semi Final. He has also turned it from playing for England was an inconvenience for large parts of the team to Team England where there is a real sense of it is the cherry on the top of the cake for most of the team so a solid B+ from me | | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 16:00 - Jun 20 with 3146 views | Juzzie |
The problem about playing balls-out attack, attack, attack is that you can then leave yourselves exposed at the back and then start conceding goals, which will then lead to people complaining we are conceding goals. | | | |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 16:06 - Jun 20 with 3112 views | traininvain |
| Southgate is Garbage at managing England on 16:00 - Jun 20 by Juzzie |
The problem about playing balls-out attack, attack, attack is that you can then leave yourselves exposed at the back and then start conceding goals, which will then lead to people complaining we are conceding goals. |
And you only have to look at England’s defensive options (aside from Walker and Stones) to realise that’s a problem hence why Southgate’s accused of being overly negative by deploying two holding midfielders to protect the defence. |  | | |
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