| Tuesday Nights Attendance 14:39 - Nov 30 with 4521 views | DWQPR |
Let’s be honest, given that we hadn’t won at home for 13 matches, scoring very few goals, it was a very cold Tuesday night, the game could be viewed on the red button, to have yet another near sell out was fantastic............except, let’s be really honest here, there was certainly at least 6,000 empty seats, and given that Clive’s match report suggested that there were 1,100 Stoke fans in attendance in an away end holding 2,800, although I noticed that the lower tier was sparsely populated with home supporters, the maths just do not add up, nor the vast empty rows of seats in the SAR upper. I cannot think for the life of me that season tickets en masses decided to stay at home. So what’s the reason? Increase revenue to help placate FFP fears or to show any potential future owner that this is a well supported club whatever the weather or state of the team? |  |
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 14:49 - Nov 30 with 4069 views | Hayesender |
I took a photo of the south Africa Road stand at kick off and sent it to a mate it was that empty. I don't reckon there was much more than 9000 in the ground |  |
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 14:52 - Nov 30 with 4068 views | sprocket |
One win at home in 12 months would do it...
Build it and they will come. [Post edited 30 Nov 2023 14:57]
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 15:03 - Nov 30 with 4024 views | slmrstid |
I think we need to accept attendance figures are "tickets sold" rather than actual bums on seats on the day.
I'd probably say 12-13k was a fairer number. Lots of regulars around me all missing on Tuesday night so wouldn't be surprised if several thousand ST holders stayed away for various reasons around the ground as a whole. |  | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 15:07 - Nov 30 with 4006 views | MrSheen |
I didn’t go (evening class) but my daughter took my seat. Evening attendance in the middle of SBS, almost fully sold out to Season Ticket holders, rarely exceeds 75%, hardly surprising given the high average age there, not to mention the travel hassles. |  | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 15:35 - Nov 30 with 3916 views | ParkRoyalR |
Majority of season ticket holders now live some distance from ground, its a very late home time on work night hence take Red Button option, if that games is on Saturday those season ticket holders would be attending. | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 16:47 - Nov 30 with 3773 views | Rangersw12 |
Looked about 12k to me. | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 16:56 - Nov 30 with 3726 views | stevec |
Even if it’s counting ST holders who didn’t attend, I’m surprised we’ve got so many with season tickets this season.
From vague memory, the club wouldn’t issue more than nine, maybe ten thousand season tickets each season to allow those in who want to attend on a game by game basis.
We rarely got more than 2-3000 pay at the gate home end attendees, which suggests the club would need to have sold over 13000 season tickets this year to get anywhere near the 16900 quoted.
Pondering this, it occurred to me that if you’re in an FFP crisis, it would make sense for the owners to ‘buy up’ empty seats, or at least those unaccounted for, which would create FFP room legitimately rather than just stumping up £2 million a month to cover the losses but has zero impact on the FFP situation.
If the owners are not doing this, then may I make a suggestion. A bit like flights and trains, increase the price of tickets say, from an hour or two before kick off. Fans don’t buy tickets that late in the day any more, so we’d be unaffected. But let’s say they set the late price at £100, for every 1000 tickets below capacity that would raise £100,000 per game or £2.3 million over the season. Let’s say we average 15000 a game, if the owners buy up the shortfall on capacity of 18000, that raises the clubs income by just short of £7 million, or over 3 years of FFP a significant wriggle room of £21 million.
They could reduce the £24 million they’ve been putting in to cover the losses by that £7 million so they wouldn’t be any worse off either. |  | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 17:01 - Nov 30 with 3704 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 14:49 - Nov 30 by Hayesender |
I took a photo of the south Africa Road stand at kick off and sent it to a mate it was that empty. I don't reckon there was much more than 9000 in the ground |
Just after KO I would estimate the attendance at around 13k+ I am usually decent at guessing and have a good view of all parts of the ground. SAR sparse, Lower School sparse and RH side of The Loft sparse. |  |
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 17:09 - Nov 30 with 3675 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 16:56 - Nov 30 by stevec |
Even if it’s counting ST holders who didn’t attend, I’m surprised we’ve got so many with season tickets this season.
From vague memory, the club wouldn’t issue more than nine, maybe ten thousand season tickets each season to allow those in who want to attend on a game by game basis.
We rarely got more than 2-3000 pay at the gate home end attendees, which suggests the club would need to have sold over 13000 season tickets this year to get anywhere near the 16900 quoted.
Pondering this, it occurred to me that if you’re in an FFP crisis, it would make sense for the owners to ‘buy up’ empty seats, or at least those unaccounted for, which would create FFP room legitimately rather than just stumping up £2 million a month to cover the losses but has zero impact on the FFP situation.
If the owners are not doing this, then may I make a suggestion. A bit like flights and trains, increase the price of tickets say, from an hour or two before kick off. Fans don’t buy tickets that late in the day any more, so we’d be unaffected. But let’s say they set the late price at £100, for every 1000 tickets below capacity that would raise £100,000 per game or £2.3 million over the season. Let’s say we average 15000 a game, if the owners buy up the shortfall on capacity of 18000, that raises the clubs income by just short of £7 million, or over 3 years of FFP a significant wriggle room of £21 million.
They could reduce the £24 million they’ve been putting in to cover the losses by that £7 million so they wouldn’t be any worse off either. |
Didn't renew this season due to the dire football under Ainsworth but will be getting a half-season one now they're available. | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 17:39 - Nov 30 with 3634 views | daveB |
game wasn't on the red button on Tuesday, could only watch it on the official stream |  | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 17:42 - Nov 30 with 3628 views | MrSheen |
A friend of mine works at Brentford. Their season tickets are mostly under £400 (?!), making it tempting for supporters of other clubs to buy them. If they see the seat is empty you get a warning that they will buy it back unless you agree to let them resell the ticket next time it isn’t being used. Seems like an expensive way to generate littlemore revenue (difference between season ticket and match day price) but I suppose it gives more people a chance to go and helps the atmosphere. | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 18:28 - Nov 30 with 3527 views | DWQPR |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 17:39 - Nov 30 by daveB |
game wasn't on the red button on Tuesday, could only watch it on the official stream |
It was on my red button | |
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 18:42 - Nov 30 with 3483 views | daveB |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 18:28 - Nov 30 by DWQPR |
It was on my red button |
which channel was it, I couldn't find it so bought the stream | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 18:46 - Nov 30 with 3470 views | LordPork |
I guess there were some like me....
I'd taken a view that, despite his heroic status within the club, I didn't want to go a watch Ainsworth football. I was fed a diet of just how bad it was from ST and other mates confirming I'd done the right thing.
Compound that with the continual poor form, goals, wins and performances, I stayed at home ( despite a last minute ticket offer )
I know that's not the way "real supporters" support, "but you pays yer money etc
if we've turned a corner after Christmas maybe I'll re-consider, but for me it's a bit like going to a restaurant and having a bad meal...why go back? | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 19:46 - Nov 30 with 3352 views | DWQPR |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 18:42 - Nov 30 by daveB |
which channel was it, I couldn't find it so bought the stream |
Sky sport 1 | |
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 21:39 - Nov 30 with 3189 views | Hastings_Hoops |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 16:56 - Nov 30 by stevec |
Even if it’s counting ST holders who didn’t attend, I’m surprised we’ve got so many with season tickets this season.
From vague memory, the club wouldn’t issue more than nine, maybe ten thousand season tickets each season to allow those in who want to attend on a game by game basis.
We rarely got more than 2-3000 pay at the gate home end attendees, which suggests the club would need to have sold over 13000 season tickets this year to get anywhere near the 16900 quoted.
Pondering this, it occurred to me that if you’re in an FFP crisis, it would make sense for the owners to ‘buy up’ empty seats, or at least those unaccounted for, which would create FFP room legitimately rather than just stumping up £2 million a month to cover the losses but has zero impact on the FFP situation.
If the owners are not doing this, then may I make a suggestion. A bit like flights and trains, increase the price of tickets say, from an hour or two before kick off. Fans don’t buy tickets that late in the day any more, so we’d be unaffected. But let’s say they set the late price at £100, for every 1000 tickets below capacity that would raise £100,000 per game or £2.3 million over the season. Let’s say we average 15000 a game, if the owners buy up the shortfall on capacity of 18000, that raises the clubs income by just short of £7 million, or over 3 years of FFP a significant wriggle room of £21 million.
They could reduce the £24 million they’ve been putting in to cover the losses by that £7 million so they wouldn’t be any worse off either. |
This makes sense - great way of pumping money into the club.
1000 tickets for Rubén’s extended family + 1000 tickets for Amit & friends. |  | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 22:33 - Nov 30 with 3091 views | Konk |
It’s a minor thing, but I really, really hate the way that attendance is now given as tickets sold. An attendance is how many people attended, not how many people had tickets for an event. Now a completely meaningless stat in many cases as you can be sat in a ground in midweek with 4,000 no shows, and the ‘attendance’ will be given as per the normal Saturday crowd when nearly all season ticket holders turn-up.
Other than so clubs can claim to sponsors that they play in front of a larger number of fans every week, what is the point of it? Most of us would like to know the crowd and couldn’t give a sh it about tickets sold. Bunch of wa nk. |  |
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 22:43 - Nov 30 with 3066 views | MrSheen |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 18:46 - Nov 30 by LordPork |
I guess there were some like me....
I'd taken a view that, despite his heroic status within the club, I didn't want to go a watch Ainsworth football. I was fed a diet of just how bad it was from ST and other mates confirming I'd done the right thing.
Compound that with the continual poor form, goals, wins and performances, I stayed at home ( despite a last minute ticket offer )
I know that's not the way "real supporters" support, "but you pays yer money etc
if we've turned a corner after Christmas maybe I'll re-consider, but for me it's a bit like going to a restaurant and having a bad meal...why go back? |
I suppose it depends whether you think of your football club as service provider or family. I know it’s entirely delusional to consider it the latter, but the time I walked away before is when it stopped pretending…the Briatore years when the owners seemed ashamed of the scruffy ungrateful rabble that presumed they had a stake in the place.
My mother is lucky none of us thought that way, she’d never have seen any of us again. (I miss you Mum, but not your cooking!) | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 22:55 - Nov 30 with 3023 views | numptydumpty |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 22:43 - Nov 30 by MrSheen |
I suppose it depends whether you think of your football club as service provider or family. I know it’s entirely delusional to consider it the latter, but the time I walked away before is when it stopped pretending…the Briatore years when the owners seemed ashamed of the scruffy ungrateful rabble that presumed they had a stake in the place.
My mother is lucky none of us thought that way, she’d never have seen any of us again. (I miss you Mum, but not your cooking!) |
Was 12k maximum in attendance I would say.
Nearly every season ticket holder around me in the six or seven rows were not in attendance.
Guessing every season ticket is included but what is the point of putting a fictitious attendance figure out into the public.
Its not important but just an odd thing to report. |  |
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 08:23 - Dec 1 with 2893 views | stevec |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 22:33 - Nov 30 by Konk |
It’s a minor thing, but I really, really hate the way that attendance is now given as tickets sold. An attendance is how many people attended, not how many people had tickets for an event. Now a completely meaningless stat in many cases as you can be sat in a ground in midweek with 4,000 no shows, and the ‘attendance’ will be given as per the normal Saturday crowd when nearly all season ticket holders turn-up.
Other than so clubs can claim to sponsors that they play in front of a larger number of fans every week, what is the point of it? Most of us would like to know the crowd and couldn’t give a sh it about tickets sold. Bunch of wa nk. |
HMRC/customs and excise as a starter.
If ticket income is out of kilter with the number of paying attendees you can be sure there’d be questions asked.
Many many years ago, in an age before computerisation, you could sit in an almost full LR and read the next day that we had a crowd of 12,000. I would think of it as the Stan Bowles fund. | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 09:11 - Dec 1 with 2849 views | CamberleyR |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 18:28 - Nov 30 by DWQPR |
It was on my red button |
Mine as well. |  |
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 10:38 - Dec 1 with 2708 views | terryb |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 22:33 - Nov 30 by Konk |
It’s a minor thing, but I really, really hate the way that attendance is now given as tickets sold. An attendance is how many people attended, not how many people had tickets for an event. Now a completely meaningless stat in many cases as you can be sat in a ground in midweek with 4,000 no shows, and the ‘attendance’ will be given as per the normal Saturday crowd when nearly all season ticket holders turn-up.
Other than so clubs can claim to sponsors that they play in front of a larger number of fans every week, what is the point of it? Most of us would like to know the crowd and couldn’t give a sh it about tickets sold. Bunch of wa nk. |
Season ticket income has to be reported on a game by game basis for VAT purposes. Therefore they have to be included in the attendance figure & revenue whether they are present or not.
It is no different to paying a deposit to a pub for a Christmas party. They are holding the cash until the event & income is reported on the day of the event.
In the days of terraces, clubs didn't have so many season ticket holders, so the impact was far less. | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 10:40 - Dec 1 with 2695 views | terryb |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 16:56 - Nov 30 by stevec |
Even if it’s counting ST holders who didn’t attend, I’m surprised we’ve got so many with season tickets this season.
From vague memory, the club wouldn’t issue more than nine, maybe ten thousand season tickets each season to allow those in who want to attend on a game by game basis.
We rarely got more than 2-3000 pay at the gate home end attendees, which suggests the club would need to have sold over 13000 season tickets this year to get anywhere near the 16900 quoted.
Pondering this, it occurred to me that if you’re in an FFP crisis, it would make sense for the owners to ‘buy up’ empty seats, or at least those unaccounted for, which would create FFP room legitimately rather than just stumping up £2 million a month to cover the losses but has zero impact on the FFP situation.
If the owners are not doing this, then may I make a suggestion. A bit like flights and trains, increase the price of tickets say, from an hour or two before kick off. Fans don’t buy tickets that late in the day any more, so we’d be unaffected. But let’s say they set the late price at £100, for every 1000 tickets below capacity that would raise £100,000 per game or £2.3 million over the season. Let’s say we average 15000 a game, if the owners buy up the shortfall on capacity of 18000, that raises the clubs income by just short of £7 million, or over 3 years of FFP a significant wriggle room of £21 million.
They could reduce the £24 million they’ve been putting in to cover the losses by that £7 million so they wouldn’t be any worse off either. |
I rather like this idea Steve.
Until recently I'd have laughed at the sugestion, but perhaps we have learnt how to account creatively! | | | |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 10:55 - Dec 1 with 2664 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 08:23 - Dec 1 by stevec |
HMRC/customs and excise as a starter.
If ticket income is out of kilter with the number of paying attendees you can be sure there’d be questions asked.
Many many years ago, in an age before computerisation, you could sit in an almost full LR and read the next day that we had a crowd of 12,000. I would think of it as the Stan Bowles fund. |
Ahh gawd bless Jim Gregory!
I wonder what he'd have made of some of the crooks, clowns and charlatans that have followed him. He may have sailed close to the line and who knows, strayed over it a few times, but no way QPR would be in such a mess under his stewardship. |  |
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| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 11:46 - Dec 1 with 2599 views | Lanhoop |
| Tuesday Nights Attendance on 08:23 - Dec 1 by stevec |
HMRC/customs and excise as a starter.
If ticket income is out of kilter with the number of paying attendees you can be sure there’d be questions asked.
Many many years ago, in an age before computerisation, you could sit in an almost full LR and read the next day that we had a crowd of 12,000. I would think of it as the Stan Bowles fund. |
Yeah, I remember when I was a kid regularly being "lifted" in over the old turnstiles. | | | |
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