| Arsenals “wenger” out crew 09:48 - Aug 7 with 2302 views | loftboy |
Now have a new target, Kroenke now own 100% of Arsenal and the natives aren’t happy. |  |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 10:25 - Aug 7 with 1975 views | runningman75 |
Maybe some of Tony Fernandes haters can go to Highbury. |  | | |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 10:30 - Aug 7 with 1959 views | PunteR |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 10:25 - Aug 7 by runningman75 |
Maybe some of Tony Fernandes haters can go to Highbury. |
How do you work that one out..? |  |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 10:48 - Aug 7 with 1919 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 10:25 - Aug 7 by runningman75 |
Maybe some of Tony Fernandes haters can go to Highbury. |
I feel the need to ask questions R75, as I'm shocked by your post!
Who are these haters you speak of ? Why would anyone 'hate' Tony for the excellent job he has done? Surely everyone has only unflinching love and respect for him?
In fact, I'll go one step further: anyone who has ever had the cheek to query Tony's stewardship of the club, can also jog off to Highbury.
Unquestionably our best chairman ever. Unquestionably!
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:05 - Aug 7 with 1881 views | kensalriser |
I don't know why all the focus is still on TF, he hasn't been in charge for a while now. |  |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:06 - Aug 7 with 1877 views | TacticalR |
The great merit of Kroenke's move is that it shatters all illusions of control through the 'share-owning democracy'. |  |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:07 - Aug 7 with 1872 views | Esox_Lucius |
How many people would give up their Bobby Zamora day at Wembley for the sake of not having TF buy the club? So many people have said it was the best day of their life and it was all down to the follies of TF. We have had a number of Chairmen at QPR since I first started with Jim Gregory and TF is definitely at the upper end of the "good" chairmen, especially compared to Chris Wright & Richard Thompson. |  |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:12 - Aug 7 with 1857 views | paulparker |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:07 - Aug 7 by Esox_Lucius |
How many people would give up their Bobby Zamora day at Wembley for the sake of not having TF buy the club? So many people have said it was the best day of their life and it was all down to the follies of TF. We have had a number of Chairmen at QPR since I first started with Jim Gregory and TF is definitely at the upper end of the "good" chairmen, especially compared to Chris Wright & Richard Thompson. |
I would give it up in a heartbeat to have an owner like Brentford rather than the impeccable we have
as for the best day it doesn't come close to the Warnock championship winning season
Oh and it also doesn't count for a lot when you say TF is better than CW & RT that's like saying Gordon Brown is a better Pm than Tony Blair and Theresa May |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 13:13 - Aug 7 with 1748 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:12 - Aug 7 by paulparker |
I would give it up in a heartbeat to have an owner like Brentford rather than the impeccable we have
as for the best day it doesn't come close to the Warnock championship winning season
Oh and it also doesn't count for a lot when you say TF is better than CW & RT that's like saying Gordon Brown is a better Pm than Tony Blair and Theresa May |
Autocorrect hasn’t done your point any favours PP. |  | | |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 13:19 - Aug 7 with 1725 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:12 - Aug 7 by paulparker |
I would give it up in a heartbeat to have an owner like Brentford rather than the impeccable we have
as for the best day it doesn't come close to the Warnock championship winning season
Oh and it also doesn't count for a lot when you say TF is better than CW & RT that's like saying Gordon Brown is a better Pm than Tony Blair and Theresa May |
ergo, not the worst chairman by a distance; and a day isn't a season. | |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 13:40 - Aug 7 with 1649 views | paulparker |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 13:19 - Aug 7 by Esox_Lucius |
ergo, not the worst chairman by a distance; and a day isn't a season. |
So f*cking up the clubs finances & future for the next god knows how many years was all worth it for that Zamora goal ? astonishing
as ive said the Warnock season was far and beyond better than Wembley and really should have been the start of the clubs rise rather than its fall | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 13:40 - Aug 7 with 1647 views | PunteR |
For the record i dont hate TF and complety understand that he's not the only culprit of our steady decline after the 4 year plan success.
As regards the Wembley moment it was obviously fantastic but its come at such a heavy price it does take the gloss off a little. There is no way im crediting TF with that win anyway. QPR blatantly ignored the rules and signed a ridiculous amount of players on top wedge it was embarrassing. I should be well within my rights to express my opinion of TF without being told i should go and support Arsenal.. | |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 13:41 - Aug 7 with 1642 views | TGRRRSSS |
Is Usmanov selling up then?
Wonder if he might buy Chelski? |  | | |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 13:53 - Aug 7 with 1598 views | DejR_vu |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:05 - Aug 7 by kensalriser |
I don't know why all the focus is still on TF, he hasn't been in charge for a while now. |
I'm guessing because it will take a very, very, very, very, very long time for the club to recover from his disastrous tenure. In charge or not, he's pretty much destroyed the club, hopefully only for a generation. I can't think of an owner/chairman who had the opportunities he's had and blown them as spectacularly as he has. He's got to go down as the most inept owner we've ever had. | |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 14:07 - Aug 7 with 1570 views | GroveR |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:07 - Aug 7 by Esox_Lucius |
How many people would give up their Bobby Zamora day at Wembley for the sake of not having TF buy the club? So many people have said it was the best day of their life and it was all down to the follies of TF. We have had a number of Chairmen at QPR since I first started with Jim Gregory and TF is definitely at the upper end of the "good" chairmen, especially compared to Chris Wright & Richard Thompson. |
1995 - scout and develop raw young talent to make us competitive and then sell on at a profit to bigger clubs to keep our head above water = asset stripping
2018 - scout and develop raw young talent to make us competitive and then sell on at a profit to bigger clubs to keep our head above water = sustainable business model
There's plenty to dislike about Thompson as a chairman but as a club we've gone backwards since then with the exception of Holloway and Warnock's first spells. |  | | |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 15:21 - Aug 7 with 1503 views | Boston |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 10:25 - Aug 7 by runningman75 |
Maybe some of Tony Fernandes haters can go to Highbury. |
Why would they wish to visit an expensive housing development filled with Chinese people? | |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 01:38 - Aug 8 with 1316 views | smegma |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 11:07 - Aug 7 by Esox_Lucius |
How many people would give up their Bobby Zamora day at Wembley for the sake of not having TF buy the club? So many people have said it was the best day of their life and it was all down to the follies of TF. We have had a number of Chairmen at QPR since I first started with Jim Gregory and TF is definitely at the upper end of the "good" chairmen, especially compared to Chris Wright & Richard Thompson. |
I can go to my grave knowing that I had seen QPR win at Wembley. Only waited 41 years but no one can take it away from me. | | | |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 02:28 - Aug 8 with 1308 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Hate is a dreadful word. I don’t hate Fernandes, but I sure as shit hate what he’s done to QPR!
The notion that he’s off the hook somehow is utterly ridiculous. Merely because he’s been slowly downgraded in terms of running the club, ignores the fact that his profligacy has, is and will be for the foreseeable future, the yolk around our necks. To even suggest that 24 May 2014 was worth: squandering half a billion pounds; jeopardising the club; and being fined £42m for the privilege of achieving is beyond stupid!
In fact, promoters of the Zamora Day defence conveniently ignore the one mind numbing piece of stupidity to come from it: having made a had a total hash of his first three years at the helm, the dipstick authorised another spending debacle which exacerbated our already perilous financial position.
I’ve even read some say, he’s not walked away and that we’re lucky to have him still on board. Seriously, lucky to have him? I shudder to think what would constitute ‘unlucky’ in the minds of some. He’s staying because he’s lost millions and needs to be around to have some input in how to get that back.
Like Thatcher, like Blair, they might not be in charge; but we’re still living with their legacies. In Fernandes’ case, that’s the disabling effects of the FFP. So when we next have our butt cheeks parted by a club picking up a prized asset for a pittance or, our ‘free transfer’ target decides to go elsewhere, Zamora Day will be of little comfort for even those who were there.
His managerial merry-go-round; the OOC handling before he had anything to handle and his bloody tweeting have turned us into a bit of a joke. Only thing is, I don’t hear any Rangers fans laughing, but I hear plenty of other fans pissing themselves at our expense and yeah, I hate that!!
The man’s been a living, breathing, walking disaster for this club, and it’s going to take years before we’re out of the mire he oversaw. | |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 03:50 - Aug 8 with 1291 views | smegma |
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing. So you didn't celebrate the Zamora goal then ???
I agree with literally everything else you said. | | | |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 06:07 - Aug 8 with 1232 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 03:50 - Aug 8 by smegma |
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing. So you didn't celebrate the Zamora goal then ???
I agree with literally everything else you said. |
Smeg,
Let me answer you this way.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing for some! I don't know any QPR fan with two functioning brain cells, that wasn't 'anxious' about Fernandes' stewardship pretty much from when he started making decisions.
What makes it worse however, was as of 25 May 2014, the club and Fernandes went headfirst into repeating the same mistakes they had made prior to 24 May 2014 and thus, hindsight was not used. So, it was not that wonderful after all.
As for the Zamora goal, of course I celebrated. It's a stupid question to ask. But a few days after, I took pelters on the dot.org for suggesting: we should lose Redknapp now; we should not spunk money; and we should plan to yo-yo. I took no joy in reposting it several months later after Harry's knee went 'fuzzy' and we were so obviously in a pile of crap that has sadly, become more pronounced.
In fact, if we're being honest: you can distill that Zamora Day into just under five minutes; for which we owe some thanks to Mr. Keogh. But when you think what its cost us in terms of: our finances and credibility; what we have to show for it; and what we're facing going forward, then no, I don't think £542,000,000 is good value for a few minutes of ecstasy.
As enjoyable as the moment was, I do wonder if it we would have been better off not scoring that goal in view of what has transpired. I find my answer comes when I ask the question would I prefer those precious seconds over seeing the club in far better shape than what it is and will be for some time to come? I conclude I would trade it back (but then I do have both goals from 3 April and 22 May 1982 in the old noggins).
Sadly, I fear that it's a question we can seek to ask and answer for sometime to come as well. For that, I blame one person and one person only. | |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 07:22 - Aug 8 with 1162 views | PunteR |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 06:07 - Aug 8 by PlanetHonneywood |
Smeg,
Let me answer you this way.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing for some! I don't know any QPR fan with two functioning brain cells, that wasn't 'anxious' about Fernandes' stewardship pretty much from when he started making decisions.
What makes it worse however, was as of 25 May 2014, the club and Fernandes went headfirst into repeating the same mistakes they had made prior to 24 May 2014 and thus, hindsight was not used. So, it was not that wonderful after all.
As for the Zamora goal, of course I celebrated. It's a stupid question to ask. But a few days after, I took pelters on the dot.org for suggesting: we should lose Redknapp now; we should not spunk money; and we should plan to yo-yo. I took no joy in reposting it several months later after Harry's knee went 'fuzzy' and we were so obviously in a pile of crap that has sadly, become more pronounced.
In fact, if we're being honest: you can distill that Zamora Day into just under five minutes; for which we owe some thanks to Mr. Keogh. But when you think what its cost us in terms of: our finances and credibility; what we have to show for it; and what we're facing going forward, then no, I don't think £542,000,000 is good value for a few minutes of ecstasy.
As enjoyable as the moment was, I do wonder if it we would have been better off not scoring that goal in view of what has transpired. I find my answer comes when I ask the question would I prefer those precious seconds over seeing the club in far better shape than what it is and will be for some time to come? I conclude I would trade it back (but then I do have both goals from 3 April and 22 May 1982 in the old noggins).
Sadly, I fear that it's a question we can seek to ask and answer for sometime to come as well. For that, I blame one person and one person only. |
Prefectly sums up my opinion (both posts^) Top work planetH. | |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 08:31 - Aug 8 with 1113 views | Toast_R |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 06:07 - Aug 8 by PlanetHonneywood |
Smeg,
Let me answer you this way.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing for some! I don't know any QPR fan with two functioning brain cells, that wasn't 'anxious' about Fernandes' stewardship pretty much from when he started making decisions.
What makes it worse however, was as of 25 May 2014, the club and Fernandes went headfirst into repeating the same mistakes they had made prior to 24 May 2014 and thus, hindsight was not used. So, it was not that wonderful after all.
As for the Zamora goal, of course I celebrated. It's a stupid question to ask. But a few days after, I took pelters on the dot.org for suggesting: we should lose Redknapp now; we should not spunk money; and we should plan to yo-yo. I took no joy in reposting it several months later after Harry's knee went 'fuzzy' and we were so obviously in a pile of crap that has sadly, become more pronounced.
In fact, if we're being honest: you can distill that Zamora Day into just under five minutes; for which we owe some thanks to Mr. Keogh. But when you think what its cost us in terms of: our finances and credibility; what we have to show for it; and what we're facing going forward, then no, I don't think £542,000,000 is good value for a few minutes of ecstasy.
As enjoyable as the moment was, I do wonder if it we would have been better off not scoring that goal in view of what has transpired. I find my answer comes when I ask the question would I prefer those precious seconds over seeing the club in far better shape than what it is and will be for some time to come? I conclude I would trade it back (but then I do have both goals from 3 April and 22 May 1982 in the old noggins).
Sadly, I fear that it's a question we can seek to ask and answer for sometime to come as well. For that, I blame one person and one person only. |
That has absolutely nothing to do with Arsenal? |  | | |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 09:34 - Aug 8 with 1064 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 08:31 - Aug 8 by Toast_R |
That has absolutely nothing to do with Arsenal? |
Well we did start out talking about the Gooners, inevitable we’d end up discussing our potential to be Goners.
Of course, if Adel was still here and we’d voted Remain, none of this would have happened. | |
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| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 10:37 - Aug 8 with 1012 views | PinnerPaul |
Read the AST's objections last night.
Mostly moaning about things that could happen, but haven't and things that Kronke has already said won't happen.
Plus railing against the fans 'losing' their minute shareholding, despite it being a) company law and b) making no difference to how Kronke will run the club anyway.
Oh to be able to get worked up about only finishing 4th in the PL, NOT reaching the CL final every year and not spending squillions on 27 new players every summer | | | |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 10:45 - Aug 8 with 1008 views | blacky200 |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 13:53 - Aug 7 by DejR_vu |
I'm guessing because it will take a very, very, very, very, very long time for the club to recover from his disastrous tenure. In charge or not, he's pretty much destroyed the club, hopefully only for a generation. I can't think of an owner/chairman who had the opportunities he's had and blown them as spectacularly as he has. He's got to go down as the most inept owner we've ever had. |
I'd say we have very nearly recovered from that era. All the high earners from those days are gone. The losses made turned into equity (I think).
Now we are contending with FFP which we would have to do whether TF was here or not. I'd agree that many mistakes have been made and the owners have been punished by a huge loss of money. They've got LH and evil Les in and they have done a great job getting us to where we are now. I'd rather have Fernandes and his crew in than Flavio and Bernie, Thompson, Wright etc. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:15 - Aug 8 with 948 views | DejR_vu |
| Arsenals “wenger” out crew on 10:45 - Aug 8 by blacky200 |
I'd say we have very nearly recovered from that era. All the high earners from those days are gone. The losses made turned into equity (I think).
Now we are contending with FFP which we would have to do whether TF was here or not. I'd agree that many mistakes have been made and the owners have been punished by a huge loss of money. They've got LH and evil Les in and they have done a great job getting us to where we are now. I'd rather have Fernandes and his crew in than Flavio and Bernie, Thompson, Wright etc. |
When TF turned up we were a Premier League club, just promoted as Champions, playing arguably the best football seen for a generation. Now we're a Championship club, looking over our shoulder at League One.
Bernie & Flavio get a lot of stick and righty so given some of their antics. But, they turned up when we were a struggling Championship club, about to go bust. When they left we were a Premier League club, in the black. Even if you accept that was entirely down to Amit and give them no credit whatsoever, what they definitely didn't do was what TF and his merry crew have done i.e. spend half a billion £ making the likes of Joey Barton and the other leaches rich beyond their wildest dreams, take us back to where we were in the Championship, with a transfer embargo on the horizon and having to sell our best player for an absolutely derisory fee out of desperation to raise a few quid.
Flavio changes the badge, calls us a boutique club, tells us he doesn't care what £20 fans think and, quite rightly, gets pelters. But, he leaves when we're in the Premier League with the biggest financial windfall in the club's history. TF changes the badge back, says nice things and smiles, whilst going through the club like a human wrecking ball, spending that massive windfall (the club's money, not his) plus a load of his own on a bunch of players many agree made a lot of fans dislike our own club, leaving us teetering on the edge, and that seems to be okay with some. Would I want Tango & cash back ? No, but it seems like bizarre priorities.
Agree on LH, not so sure on Teflon Les, personally.
I think, on the whole, best to agree to disagree whether we're close to recovering  [Post edited 8 Aug 2018 11:36]
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