| No further punishment for Birmingham 23:25 - Jun 11 with 2672 views | loftboy |
They lost their appeal but get no fine or points deduction,it’s only us that is going to be properly shafted Over FFP. Ffs |  |
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| No further punishment for Birmingham on 00:00 - Jun 12 with 2594 views | BrixtonR |
A fkn disfkn grace cnts |  | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 00:42 - Jun 12 with 2542 views | timcocking |
Of course. It was always going to be only us. Ffs indeed. |  | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 02:11 - Jun 12 with 2505 views | Match82 |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 00:42 - Jun 12 by timcocking |
Of course. It was always going to be only us. Ffs indeed. |
It is of course typical that we are the ones who get dinged, but... Am I alone in thinking that it might actually have been for the best long term? I've enjoyed this season more than any in the last 20 years bar the Warnock season, I'm immensely proud of the way we are acting on and off the field and we are set up for a sustainable (ish) model for the medium term at least.
We've got our Rangers back. And if that's what it took to make that happen, so be it |  | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 05:38 - Jun 12 with 2439 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 02:11 - Jun 12 by Match82 |
It is of course typical that we are the ones who get dinged, but... Am I alone in thinking that it might actually have been for the best long term? I've enjoyed this season more than any in the last 20 years bar the Warnock season, I'm immensely proud of the way we are acting on and off the field and we are set up for a sustainable (ish) model for the medium term at least.
We've got our Rangers back. And if that's what it took to make that happen, so be it |
Bottom line, I concur.
That said however, you cannot have one rule for one, and not for everyone else! I don’t know if there are different circumstances that distinguish us from Birmingham, but inconsistency is the root of instability.
Speaking of sources of inconsistency and instability, what ever happened to the reckless prat who steered us toward the rocks? He has gone decidedly quiet since a number of ‘allegations’ were raised. |  |
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| No further punishment for Birmingham on 07:07 - Jun 12 with 2377 views | davman |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 05:38 - Jun 12 by PlanetHonneywood |
Bottom line, I concur.
That said however, you cannot have one rule for one, and not for everyone else! I don’t know if there are different circumstances that distinguish us from Birmingham, but inconsistency is the root of instability.
Speaking of sources of inconsistency and instability, what ever happened to the reckless prat who steered us toward the rocks? He has gone decidedly quiet since a number of ‘allegations’ were raised. |
There is a silver lining, but we still haven't got a pot to pee in.
It is a god awful sham.
Yes, the rules changed after we got hit and yes ours was not just a minor transgression, but those 9 points meant fck all for Brum. This, coupled with Derby, Villa, Reading and probably Sheff Weds, is a real kick - 'snot fair!
Shaun Harvey' s legacy - to fck QPR over. As money is tight, that £1.7m per year we're still paying off is going to be a significant amount in the post COVID budgets!
It was all so predictable, huh? |  |
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| No further punishment for Birmingham on 08:18 - Jun 12 with 2233 views | daveB |
We've not been shafted, we broke the rules. Our final punishment was far less than what the rules had stated. Birmingham were punished as well and got a 9 point deduction last season. You can be sure if roles were reversed and we lost 9 points and they were fined many QPR fans would still be saying we got shafted. |  | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 08:25 - Jun 12 with 2209 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Agree with those who say we got what we deserved. I don't know enough about what the other clubs did, and maybe it does rankle a bit that they might - might - have got off lightly, but I agree with those that say this was the best thing to happen to us. Without FFP our owners would have steered us relentlessly to oblivion. |  |
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| No further punishment for Birmingham on 08:26 - Jun 12 with 2206 views | Northernr |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 08:18 - Jun 12 by daveB |
We've not been shafted, we broke the rules. Our final punishment was far less than what the rules had stated. Birmingham were punished as well and got a 9 point deduction last season. You can be sure if roles were reversed and we lost 9 points and they were fined many QPR fans would still be saying we got shafted. |
We weren't shafted you're right. But Birmingham are in breach every year atm one way or another and still only have a nine point deduction that moved them from one part of midtable to another part of midtable to show for it.
Sheff Wed is a big moment in all of this. If they don't cop it big time then clubs will just ignore these rules even more than they do already. They won't be worth the paper they're printed on. |  | | |
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| No further punishment for Birmingham on 09:19 - Jun 12 with 2126 views | TGRRRSSS |
Surely we are owed something for this???
At the veryt least the rest of the fine should be abandoned in wake to Covid 19, if not and we carry on paying it then I think it's right restitution of some kind should be sought as to why others are not being punished correctly.
OK Birmingham got 9 point fine but it meant no more difference to them than if they'd finished 12th and got demoted to 13th quite frankly.
Why did we get sucvh a big financial fine and others have not?
Blackburn did get a transfer block for a window or 2 maybe?
Nevertheless it shows how meaningless it is now.
Yes we're being run better, yes I'd prefer us to follow this strategy of develop and sell etc, but that doesnt mean others should not be punished properly and in a a meaningful way for their transgressions.
Derby, Reading, Birmingham and Sheff WEds all have question to answer. |  | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:06 - Jun 12 with 2061 views | daveB |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 08:26 - Jun 12 by Northernr |
We weren't shafted you're right. But Birmingham are in breach every year atm one way or another and still only have a nine point deduction that moved them from one part of midtable to another part of midtable to show for it.
Sheff Wed is a big moment in all of this. If they don't cop it big time then clubs will just ignore these rules even more than they do already. They won't be worth the paper they're printed on. |
The Birmingham one I may be wrong but it seemed the argument was they breached last year as they held onto Che Adams in order to get a bigger fee in the summer which puts it all on dodgy grounds really as if they had sold him cheaper in January to pass FFP they'd be worse off in the long term.
Unless the EFL just have a standard punishment like if you get a red card it's a one match ban if you breach by x amount it's 3 points, xx amount 6 points etc then debate goes out of it and you know where you stand. At the moment the punishments are made up as you go along.
My personal view is that FFP will be scrapped within a year and replaced by a salary cap
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| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:26 - Jun 12 with 2015 views | Northernr |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:06 - Jun 12 by daveB |
The Birmingham one I may be wrong but it seemed the argument was they breached last year as they held onto Che Adams in order to get a bigger fee in the summer which puts it all on dodgy grounds really as if they had sold him cheaper in January to pass FFP they'd be worse off in the long term.
Unless the EFL just have a standard punishment like if you get a red card it's a one match ban if you breach by x amount it's 3 points, xx amount 6 points etc then debate goes out of it and you know where you stand. At the moment the punishments are made up as you go along.
My personal view is that FFP will be scrapped within a year and replaced by a salary cap
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Yeh I agree it'll be scrapped. How do you enforce it on clubs who had a 6-9 month hole blown in their finances? You can't.
I do think that clubs with historic breaches, like Derby and Sheff Wed, shouldn't be allowed to weasel out of it because of that though. | | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:43 - Jun 12 with 1968 views | daveB |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:26 - Jun 12 by Northernr |
Yeh I agree it'll be scrapped. How do you enforce it on clubs who had a 6-9 month hole blown in their finances? You can't.
I do think that clubs with historic breaches, like Derby and Sheff Wed, shouldn't be allowed to weasel out of it because of that though. |
hard to believe the Sheffield Wed and Derby cases have still not been settled | | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:49 - Jun 12 with 1955 views | Northernr |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:43 - Jun 12 by daveB |
hard to believe the Sheffield Wed and Derby cases have still not been settled |
The time it actually takes to sort the cases out is one of many elements of FFP that's an absolute joke. | | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 13:08 - Jun 12 with 1823 views | terryb |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:43 - Jun 12 by daveB |
hard to believe the Sheffield Wed and Derby cases have still not been settled |
I assume that they are still ongoing, but are they?
I can understand that the implementation of any sentence would take a long time due to appeals, but that doesn't stop the case being heard.
The EFL appear to consistently find time to deliver a verdict on Macclesfield, so why not on Wednesday & Derby? |  | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 13:18 - Jun 12 with 1791 views | Rog |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 13:08 - Jun 12 by terryb |
I assume that they are still ongoing, but are they?
I can understand that the implementation of any sentence would take a long time due to appeals, but that doesn't stop the case being heard.
The EFL appear to consistently find time to deliver a verdict on Macclesfield, so why not on Wednesday & Derby? |
I think the hearing/decisions for Derby and Wednesday are in July, the delaying tactics got overtaken by Covid but they are still due to happen before end of season. Those in and around the bottom three will be working very hard to see the points deductions happen. | | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 13:25 - Jun 12 with 1768 views | Northernr |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 13:18 - Jun 12 by Rog |
I think the hearing/decisions for Derby and Wednesday are in July, the delaying tactics got overtaken by Covid but they are still due to happen before end of season. Those in and around the bottom three will be working very hard to see the points deductions happen. |
Yeh Barnsley are banging the drum, as they should. Not just because they stand to benefit on the league ladder but also they’re the absolute model of scout and buy low, sell high, repeat club that everybody is supposed to be under FFP and clubs that go out and stick 6 mediocre Championship strikers on 20-40k a week shouldn’t gain unfair advantage over them by ignoring the rules. | | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 12:56 - Jun 13 with 1565 views | francisbowles |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:26 - Jun 12 by Northernr |
Yeh I agree it'll be scrapped. How do you enforce it on clubs who had a 6-9 month hole blown in their finances? You can't.
I do think that clubs with historic breaches, like Derby and Sheff Wed, shouldn't be allowed to weasel out of it because of that though. |
I'm not an accountant but isn't it possible to do a pro rata on the season when it stopped and apply points deductions (not fines) as appropriate.
While they are at it write off the rest of our fine as well, due to the financial situation. | | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 13:45 - Jun 13 with 1513 views | Roller |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 12:56 - Jun 13 by francisbowles |
I'm not an accountant but isn't it possible to do a pro rata on the season when it stopped and apply points deductions (not fines) as appropriate.
While they are at it write off the rest of our fine as well, due to the financial situation. |
All they need to do is adjust the permissible loss for this season to account for lost revenue from the games behind closed doors. Clubs can then argue regarding other lost income or Covid19 related costs at the EFL discretion. The same will hold true for next season. |  | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 15:45 - Jun 13 with 1383 views | rsonist |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:06 - Jun 12 by daveB |
The Birmingham one I may be wrong but it seemed the argument was they breached last year as they held onto Che Adams in order to get a bigger fee in the summer which puts it all on dodgy grounds really as if they had sold him cheaper in January to pass FFP they'd be worse off in the long term.
Unless the EFL just have a standard punishment like if you get a red card it's a one match ban if you breach by x amount it's 3 points, xx amount 6 points etc then debate goes out of it and you know where you stand. At the moment the punishments are made up as you go along.
My personal view is that FFP will be scrapped within a year and replaced by a salary cap
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You are correct. Posters whipping themselves up into a victimhood frenzy over this are just seeing "FFP" and "no points deduction" together and not reading the rest.
Basically this was a disagreement about the letter of the law (BCFC must adhere by firesaling at first opportunity regardless of whether it suits them and therefore likely extending the duration of the punishment) versus the spirit of the law (BCFC adhere in good faith by getting their affairs in order on their own terms maintaining competitiveness - and in this instance likely reduce the outstanding amounts quicker). The problem for the EFL with the latter is the precedent it sets in creating a possible future loophole if clubs are able to hang on to their cheating assets long enough to scarper to promotion. But they've had three goes at making this stick now and failed each time.
As BCFC have already been punished it is believed they are now back at the beginning of the three-season accounts cycle. Soft it may well have turned out but how do you figure out legislation guaranteed be prohibitively painful which also doesn't guarantee a situation where breaches are effectively inescapable over successive seasons subsequent?
The Derby and Sheff Wed cases aren't simply about swiftly enacting punishment for established breaches because the fiddled stadium sale accounts have them within boundaries. It's a whole new case where the EFL are having to prove the sales were inflated before they can get to paddlin', and that's not so easy. (SWFC deliberately misfiling accounts also in contest). |  | | |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 10:22 - Jun 14 with 1142 views | essextaxiboy |
| No further punishment for Birmingham on 13:45 - Jun 13 by Roller |
All they need to do is adjust the permissible loss for this season to account for lost revenue from the games behind closed doors. Clubs can then argue regarding other lost income or Covid19 related costs at the EFL discretion. The same will hold true for next season. |
Like Duckworth Lewis for FFP |  | | |
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