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I always think it's the moderates who are much more dangerous than the extremists.
After all wasn't it the moderates who launched the Gulf War, killed hundreds of thousands of people, and created chaos in the Middle East? Yes, they've got a lot to answer for.
Be that as it may, it's pretty obvious that despite the name, this isn't a march isn't against any old extremism, but a particular brand of extremism which the organisers are too polite to mention, although everyone instinctively knows which particular brand of extremism they have in mind. Which is why you get the rare spectacle of a tribal gathering of rotund whey-faced 'lads' with billiard ball heads mustering in a cosmopolitan city. A rare sight indeed.
P.S. I have nothing in particular against rotund whey-faced 'lads' with billiard ball heads as I was born into that tribe myself.
I thought it was interesting that potentially violent groups from different clubs were able to set differences aside and walk together without incident, in a bid to persuade others to cease violence. As with many things it has lost its impact second or third time around. And may be invaribly hijacked by other agendas. But it was impressive first time out.
What?
You mean the 4th summer of love has arrived in Autumn?!?! Damn!
Give it a house beat, some repeteitve lyrics and a smattering of Gary Abletts and it'll be 1989 all over again.
(May I direct you to another thread covering this in initimate detail...... )
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
If anything i would have thought they are making football more of a target for terrorism. 15000 hard blokes are not going to stop terrorism unfortunately. As much as id love them to.
So what's the answer; keep quiet and do nothing and hope it get's brushed under the carpet in fear of offending someone?!
This is another example of the rise of ‘populism’. Working class people who don’t particularly identify with either of the two main parties and are sneered at for the views they hold and an assumed lack of education. It’s actually quite an interesting modern political phenomena. It is true however that movements like this are very susceptible to being exploited by the far right and I’d be surprised if, as has already been suggested, it is not a cynical, exploitative means of gaining support under the guise of some connection to football, by people with some questionable beliefs. How3ver this does not mean that anyone who attends Marches like this and expresses concerns about terrorism or more pertinently Islamic fundamentalism, Muslim attitudes to homosexuals and same sex marriage, ex Muslims or women’s rights is racist or an Islamophobe. Far, far from it. It does however seem that any wider scrutiny or questioning of the attitudes of ‘mainstream’ Islamic beliefs is sadly somewhat taboo and easily dismissed as being Islamophobic. That is even more easy to dismiss if it accompanied by some rather facile football type chanting.
BromleyHoop, nobody on this thread has said anything about education. It's my perception that anti-Muslim views are spread through all sections of society (e.g. Gove's book on Muslims).
BromleyHoop, nobody on this thread has said anything about education. It's my perception that anti-Muslim views are spread through all sections of society (e.g. Gove's book on Muslims).
So what's the answer; keep quiet and do nothing and hope it get's brushed under the carpet in fear of offending someone?!
Are you actually asking me what i think we should do about terrorism..? Im not really sure Mole but i dont think this helps. I think theres a lot of anger and fear amongst those burly blokes and im not convinced they're the ones to stop terrorism. However i would like them to all bowl down to the FA headquarters or FIFA and sort them out .
So what's the answer; keep quiet and do nothing and hope it get's brushed under the carpet in fear of offending someone?!
Precisely. I'm not saying these marches will stop the terrorism, but something definitely needs to be done to curb it. The government could start by not letting the people who go to fight for Islamic State back into the country.
My politics is down the middle. I'm neither left or right wing. So people saying it was a march set up by extreme right wing organisations is wrong.
I've been accused of being a supporter of Britain First and the like on my personal facebook page by left wing work colleagues because I went on the march on Saturday.
That's the trouble with the extreme left wing supporters. If you dare do or say something that doesn't fit their agenda, you're called a racist or fascist.
Maybe if they started attacking the establishment with the same zealousness as they attack the marchers, then we'd all be much better off. I won't hold my breath though.
Lighting bloody candles after every attack doesn't work.
Precisely. I'm not saying these marches will stop the terrorism, but something definitely needs to be done to curb it. The government could start by not letting the people who go to fight for Islamic State back into the country.
My politics is down the middle. I'm neither left or right wing. So people saying it was a march set up by extreme right wing organisations is wrong.
I've been accused of being a supporter of Britain First and the like on my personal facebook page by left wing work colleagues because I went on the march on Saturday.
That's the trouble with the extreme left wing supporters. If you dare do or say something that doesn't fit their agenda, you're called a racist or fascist.
Maybe if they started attacking the establishment with the same zealousness as they attack the marchers, then we'd all be much better off. I won't hold my breath though.
Lighting bloody candles after every attack doesn't work.
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Nor will a bunch of people marching and shouting but hey if it makes ya feel better go for it!
AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
Precisely. I'm not saying these marches will stop the terrorism, but something definitely needs to be done to curb it. The government could start by not letting the people who go to fight for Islamic State back into the country.
My politics is down the middle. I'm neither left or right wing. So people saying it was a march set up by extreme right wing organisations is wrong.
I've been accused of being a supporter of Britain First and the like on my personal facebook page by left wing work colleagues because I went on the march on Saturday.
That's the trouble with the extreme left wing supporters. If you dare do or say something that doesn't fit their agenda, you're called a racist or fascist.
Maybe if they started attacking the establishment with the same zealousness as they attack the marchers, then we'd all be much better off. I won't hold my breath though.
Lighting bloody candles after every attack doesn't work.
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Good post, Snipper.
You've nailed it when you say that the left-wing of today are often too consumed in identity politics than policies - "he's a racist", "she's a billionaire capitalist, "he's homophobic" etc.
Likewise, the right are often too consumed in beating the left and feeling sorry for themselves because PC has ruined their lives.
Meanwhile, while the populous is consumed with minutiae such as the above, Governments of both hues continue wars in the Middle East without even the remotest chance that they themselves will die in either the wars themselves or the terrorism that are their inevitable consequence. They delegate the dying to others.
It seems to me that marching against terrorism, though well-intentioned, is aimless and airy-fairy. It may even stoke up more hatred in the country you wish to protect and drive more people to take up arms on either side, thus prolonging and intensifying both the wars and the terrorism.
I personally think that the only march that might achieve anything is one on the government to demand that it withdraw from the Middle East already, which is, let's face it, the only thing that will stop the terrorism.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
You've nailed it when you say that the left-wing of today are often too consumed in identity politics than policies - "he's a racist", "she's a billionaire capitalist, "he's homophobic" etc.
Likewise, the right are often too consumed in beating the left and feeling sorry for themselves because PC has ruined their lives.
Meanwhile, while the populous is consumed with minutiae such as the above, Governments of both hues continue wars in the Middle East without even the remotest chance that they themselves will die in either the wars themselves or the terrorism that are their inevitable consequence. They delegate the dying to others.
It seems to me that marching against terrorism, though well-intentioned, is aimless and airy-fairy. It may even stoke up more hatred in the country you wish to protect and drive more people to take up arms on either side, thus prolonging and intensifying both the wars and the terrorism.
I personally think that the only march that might achieve anything is one on the government to demand that it withdraw from the Middle East already, which is, let's face it, the only thing that will stop the terrorism.
just want to say, left leaning man seeks billionaire capitalist for fulfilling relationship. Identity politics not an issue............
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