| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie 15:16 - Feb 6 with 5532 views | WestbourneR |
http://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/holloway-explains-luongo-absence-qpr-man-drop
I assume he's mixed his words up (what a surprise) as 'grave-yard shift' doesn't make any sense in relation to a football position. Unless he makes Bidwell play there late at night when no one else is around - and on his current performances he might as well.
Ollie must mean the position has been a grave-yard for the players because it's destroyed their confidence or reputation.
And if that's the case he's basically admitting the system is killing the players because no one can play wing back.
Begs the question, if you know the wing backs aren't working, why do you keep playing the system?
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:19 - Feb 6 with 4217 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Woah, you made a few assumptions in Ollie's logic there, Westy! |  |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:22 - Feb 6 with 4205 views | LunarJetman |
I think he's praising his players for playing there even though they don't like the position or its not their natural/preferred position rather than admitting that the system is killing players.
Rather than suggest he knows wing backs aren't working, he's saying he wants to play that way but we're struggling to find a left wing back to fit the role... |  | | |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:22 - Feb 6 with 4199 views | WestbourneR |
I know! But I can't work out what other logic makes sense...
What's he trying to say?? | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:24 - Feb 6 with 4197 views | WestbourneR |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:22 - Feb 6 by LunarJetman |
I think he's praising his players for playing there even though they don't like the position or its not their natural/preferred position rather than admitting that the system is killing players.
Rather than suggest he knows wing backs aren't working, he's saying he wants to play that way but we're struggling to find a left wing back to fit the role... |
I make that another way of reaching the same place.
We haven't got the players for the system or we haven't got the system for the players.
Either way, it's not good surely? | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:31 - Feb 6 with 4162 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:24 - Feb 6 by WestbourneR |
I make that another way of reaching the same place.
We haven't got the players for the system or we haven't got the system for the players.
Either way, it's not good surely? |
He could just be saying that playing full-back or wing-back takes it out of you, which it does. We haven't had many options this season with Robinson filling in at centre-back so it was good to rest Bidwell. That's how I read it anyway.
I think you might be stretching here, Westy. I can't see a problem with what he's saying. | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:32 - Feb 6 with 4157 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Well you laid off the digs at IH for a couple of days I guess that's progress  |  |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:36 - Feb 6 with 4136 views | WestbourneR |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:31 - Feb 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
He could just be saying that playing full-back or wing-back takes it out of you, which it does. We haven't had many options this season with Robinson filling in at centre-back so it was good to rest Bidwell. That's how I read it anyway.
I think you might be stretching here, Westy. I can't see a problem with what he's saying. |
But Brian but calling that 'the graveyard shift' doesn't make any sense. That doesn't mean what you're saying it means.
It's surely no more graft than the 'high press' central midfield positions. | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:37 - Feb 6 with 4129 views | smegma |
He's certainly wrong about the 'graveyard shift' expression. That refers to doing night shifts of course.
As for saying that no one can play wing back, as someone mentioned, then WHY continue??? |  | | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:41 - Feb 6 with 4122 views | LunarJetman |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:24 - Feb 6 by WestbourneR |
I make that another way of reaching the same place.
We haven't got the players for the system or we haven't got the system for the players.
Either way, it's not good surely? |
Well I took his comments on face value and you took them as a negative... | | | |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:46 - Feb 6 with 4107 views | rsonist |
Pointless as it is to figure out what Ollie really meant by anything, I'd guess "grave yard shift" refers to the heavy double duty workload required getting up and down the pitch?
Which is quite funny really because teams at the upper levels of the game actually place huge creative emphasis on the full back positions - so much so that this season we're seeing Moses, Delph, Maitland-Niles, Zinchenko, Valencia, Young playing there every week as managers try to force an advantage.
It's almost as though competent teams are based on functional tactical systems that are greater than the sum of their parts rather than "players in their proper positions". |  | | |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:50 - Feb 6 with 4088 views | WestbourneR |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:41 - Feb 6 by LunarJetman |
Well I took his comments on face value and you took them as a negative... |
If he's saying what you're saying then it's still a negative. We're actually saying the same thing. | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:52 - Feb 6 with 4079 views | Antti_Heinola |
No Westbourne, he clearly means it's bloody hard graft getting up and down in that role and that he wanted to rest Bidwell.
Come on mate, you're an intelligent man and I know he mixed up his words there, but that's a hell of a lot of projection. We get it. You want him out. You have some excellent arguments on that score. But this nonsense doesn't help. |  |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:53 - Feb 6 with 4077 views | TacticalR |
Unlikely metaphors have been the hallmark of Holloway's managerial career:
'Ollie’s Flying Circus includes references to mating badgers, copulating mermaids, preening burglars, computer literate chimpanzees and central defenders with broken noses who can smell around corners.'
Michael Calvin, Living on the Volcano: The Secrets of Surviving as a Football Manager, 2015 |  |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:55 - Feb 6 with 4071 views | WestbourneR |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:46 - Feb 6 by rsonist |
Pointless as it is to figure out what Ollie really meant by anything, I'd guess "grave yard shift" refers to the heavy double duty workload required getting up and down the pitch?
Which is quite funny really because teams at the upper levels of the game actually place huge creative emphasis on the full back positions - so much so that this season we're seeing Moses, Delph, Maitland-Niles, Zinchenko, Valencia, Young playing there every week as managers try to force an advantage.
It's almost as though competent teams are based on functional tactical systems that are greater than the sum of their parts rather than "players in their proper positions". |
Not totally sure but if i were to strip back the heavy layer of sarcasm rsonist it seems you suggesting that we have a 'functional tactical system that is greater than the sum of its parts'.
You have seen Rangers play this season right?
I've got no problem with squarish pegs in roundish holes (eg. Clint at left back the year we went up) if overall the team is working well as a unit.
Sadly, at the moment, we have a system that is uncomfortable for individuals and also doesn't work as a whole. | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:56 - Feb 6 with 4063 views | WestbourneR |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:52 - Feb 6 by Antti_Heinola |
No Westbourne, he clearly means it's bloody hard graft getting up and down in that role and that he wanted to rest Bidwell.
Come on mate, you're an intelligent man and I know he mixed up his words there, but that's a hell of a lot of projection. We get it. You want him out. You have some excellent arguments on that score. But this nonsense doesn't help. |
Antti - hold my hands up - I read it all wrong. Got totally thrown off by the mis-use of graveyard shift and jumped several imaginary steps ahead. | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:03 - Feb 6 with 4029 views | rsonist |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:55 - Feb 6 by WestbourneR |
Not totally sure but if i were to strip back the heavy layer of sarcasm rsonist it seems you suggesting that we have a 'functional tactical system that is greater than the sum of its parts'.
You have seen Rangers play this season right?
I've got no problem with squarish pegs in roundish holes (eg. Clint at left back the year we went up) if overall the team is working well as a unit.
Sadly, at the moment, we have a system that is uncomfortable for individuals and also doesn't work as a whole. |
No. I think Ollie has us looking a shambles. I also think "square pegs in round holes" is just the meme narrative of the month. Wszolek has all the attributes to play in that position if he were actually coached it properly, if we devised a strategy to maximise his strengths and minimise his weaknesses, the same way equally "square pegs" do at other clubs every week. | | | |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:07 - Feb 6 with 4015 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:56 - Feb 6 by WestbourneR |
Antti - hold my hands up - I read it all wrong. Got totally thrown off by the mis-use of graveyard shift and jumped several imaginary steps ahead. |
fair play mate!
it was a weird thing for him to say though. | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:07 - Feb 6 with 4008 views | TacticalR |
WestbourneR yearns for a sophisticated foreign manager - a visionary, a tactician, a razor-sharp thinker, a man who speaks better English than the English and who wouldn't dream of wandering off on strange metaphorical excursions. | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:13 - Feb 6 with 3985 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:07 - Feb 6 by TacticalR |
WestbourneR yearns for a sophisticated foreign manager - a visionary, a tactician, a razor-sharp thinker, a man who speaks better English than the English and who wouldn't dream of wandering off on strange metaphorical excursions. |
Don't we all? | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:18 - Feb 6 with 3965 views | WestbourneR |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:07 - Feb 6 by TacticalR |
WestbourneR yearns for a sophisticated foreign manager - a visionary, a tactician, a razor-sharp thinker, a man who speaks better English than the English and who wouldn't dream of wandering off on strange metaphorical excursions. |
*Sighhhh* do you have a picture? | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:32 - Feb 6 with 3936 views | PinnerPaul |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 15:31 - Feb 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
He could just be saying that playing full-back or wing-back takes it out of you, which it does. We haven't had many options this season with Robinson filling in at centre-back so it was good to rest Bidwell. That's how I read it anyway.
I think you might be stretching here, Westy. I can't see a problem with what he's saying. |
Some always see a problem whatever he is saying | | | |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:34 - Feb 6 with 3932 views | WestbourneR |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:32 - Feb 6 by PinnerPaul |
Some always see a problem whatever he is saying |
Paul - I held my hands up for that. Just treat it as a link a halfway interesting piece of news from the club. | |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 17:09 - Feb 6 with 3846 views | TacticalR |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 16:18 - Feb 6 by WestbourneR |
*Sighhhh* do you have a picture? |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 17:12 - Feb 6 with 3835 views | WestbourneR |
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| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 18:07 - Feb 6 with 3743 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Left wing back 'the grave-yard shift' according to Ollie on 17:09 - Feb 6 by TacticalR |
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Oh God that's hot. | |
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