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Declan Rice 13:36 - Feb 14 with 2584 viewsTGRRRSSS

So he's finally shown his hand and declared for England and changed allegiance, not the first to do this and being London born and bred you can see why.

No doubt many will be pleased and many others here disappointed interesting to note far from the first, Costa and ZAha have both done this albeit perhaps in a different scenarios.
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Declan Rice on 13:39 - Feb 14 with 1524 viewskingsburyR

Through no fault of his own (well maybe a little bit) hes got himself in a right shit storm.

It'll all get political and he'll receive the usual death threats. It would have been the same if he opted the other way.

A bit like Rory when golf was introduced into the Olympics. Team Ire or Team GB.

Think he pulled out in the end!

Dont know why we bother. .... but we do!

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Declan Rice on 13:42 - Feb 14 with 1512 viewsTGRRRSSS

Had the inevitable Twitter stuff, think it's worse though cos he's played for Ireland already, still the rules are the rules and he played by them, think where he's really gone wrong is the delaying he did when he originally pulled out whenever it was maybe it'd would have been better to do it sooner.

Broadly I agree with you though it's partly his making and partly others.
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Declan Rice on 14:07 - Feb 14 with 1452 viewssmegma

Anyone seen the picture doing the rounds on FB of Irish fans with a tricolour mentioning potatoes and rice?? (Very funny/clever)
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Declan Rice on 14:08 - Feb 14 with 1444 viewsBoston

Declan Rice on 14:07 - Feb 14 by smegma

Anyone seen the picture doing the rounds on FB of Irish fans with a tricolour mentioning potatoes and rice?? (Very funny/clever)


This rice bean trying to curry favour with everyone.

Poll: Thank God The Seaons Over.

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Declan Rice on 14:13 - Feb 14 with 1444 viewsmakaveli1882

Should have never played for them in the first place as he is English and born in England!

Now that he has three caps for Ireland he should have stuck with them but make no mistake the boy is English.
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Declan Rice on 14:22 - Feb 14 with 1418 viewsrunningman75

With Brexit the political climate could change again. I thought Kevin Gallen went to a Catholic school and many people did not speak to him when he played for England schoolboys.
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Declan Rice on 14:23 - Feb 14 with 1412 viewsCLAREMAN1995

While Rice is a tremendous prospect and being born in England its hard not to feel betrayed if you support the ROI. Brought up through the ranks wearing green all the way to the Senior team and getting 3 caps (non competitive )it looked like he could be a mainstay to build around for his career.

Once England came calling it was only going to end one way and now its up to him to break into a very strong English side which is not a guarantee IMO.

Everybody is relieved the saga is over and hopefully it sets a precedence for players to want to play for their Countries and realize its about the pride not the chance to advance their careers .
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Declan Rice on 14:25 - Feb 14 with 1408 viewssimmo

There's something to be said for Ireland putting work into his international development and giving him experience, etc, only for him to choose England...

That being said he's born and bred London and both his parents (I think) are English, it's his grandparents who are Irish.

ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead

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Declan Rice on 14:26 - Feb 14 with 1404 viewsThGrimRanger

The work done by ROI to groom (for want of a better word!) young players who in the example of Declan Rice was born elsewhere and who's parents were born elsewhere is part of the problem here. RIO in particular have been doing this for years.

He was rejected by Chelsea at 14 years old so an approach to play international football would have been very exciting to a boy with fairly limited expectations at the time.

People have been lining up since the Rice announcement to condemn the rule around friendly's not committing a players international future. However I think it's there to prevent proactively gifted friendly appearances to 'not quite ready' young players tying a them in for life.

TheGrimRanger

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Declan Rice on 14:44 - Feb 14 with 1361 viewsCamberleyR

It was only Jack Charlton in the mid 80s utilising the 'granny' rule to the nth degree that non Irish players have been playing for Ireland the last 30 odd years anyway although I appreciate that these days there is a much bigger diaspora.

Prior to that they weren't considered probably with the exception of Lawrenson in the late 70s who had an Irish mother. This is not including McGrath and O'Leary who were born in London to Irish parents and moved back to Dublin as kids so were brought up Irish. Shay Brennan in the mid 60s I think was the first non Irish born player to play for the national team.
[Post edited 14 Feb 14:45]
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Declan Rice on 15:14 - Feb 14 with 1325 viewsmakaveli1882

Declan Rice on 14:44 - Feb 14 by CamberleyR

It was only Jack Charlton in the mid 80s utilising the 'granny' rule to the nth degree that non Irish players have been playing for Ireland the last 30 odd years anyway although I appreciate that these days there is a much bigger diaspora.

Prior to that they weren't considered probably with the exception of Lawrenson in the late 70s who had an Irish mother. This is not including McGrath and O'Leary who were born in London to Irish parents and moved back to Dublin as kids so were brought up Irish. Shay Brennan in the mid 60s I think was the first non Irish born player to play for the national team.
[Post edited 14 Feb 14:45]


List of Irish players who are not actually Irish.

England

John Aldridge
Harry Arter
Phil Babb
Leon Best
Keith Branagan
Gary Breen
Shay Brennan
Alex Bruce
Paul Butler
John Byrne
Lee Carsley
Tony Cascarino
Jeff Chandler
Cyrus Christie
Ciaran Clark
David Connolly
Simon Cox
Ronan Curtis
Liam Daish
Rory Delap
John Dempsey
Terry Donovan
Rob Elliot
Mickey Evans
Curtis Fleming
Caleb Folan
Kevin Foley
Tony Galvin
Jon Goodman
Tony Grealish
Paul Green
Austin Hayes
Ron Healey
Matt Holland
Chris Hughton
Mick Kearns
Alan Kelly, Jr.
David Kelly
Mark Kelly
Mick Kennedy
Paddy Kenny
Richard Keogh
Alan Kernaghan
Dean Kiely
Kevin Kilbane
Liam Lawrence
Mark Lawrenson
Jon Macken
Seán Maguire
Terry Mancini
Jason McAteer
Mick McCarthy
Jim McDonagh
David McGoldrick
Eddie McGoldrick
Paul McGrath
Alan McLoughlin
Stephen McPhail
Mike Milligan
Chris Morris
Clinton Morrison
Jerry Murphy
Aiden O'Brien
Andy O'Brien
Brendan O'Callaghan
Kevin O'Callaghan
Joe O'Cearuill
Sean O’Driscoll
Kelham O'Hanlon
Eamonn O’Keefe
David O’Leary
Alex Pearce
Gerry Peyton
Terry Phelan
Anthony Pilkington
Darren Potter
Steven Reid
Declan Rice
Callum Robinson
Michael Robinson
Martin Rowlands
John Sheridan
Sean St Ledger
Peter Thomas
Andy Townsend
Gary Waddock
Mickey Walsh
Jonathan Walters
Keiren Westwood
Germany
Derrick Williams
Northern Ireland
Shane Duffy
Darron Gibson
James McClean
Eunan O'Kane
Marc Wilson

Scotland
Owen Coyle
Tommy Coyne
Charlie Gallagher
Ray Houghton
James McCarthy
Aiden McGeady
Bernie Slaven

United States of America
Joseph Lapira

Wales
Kevin Sheedy
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Declan Rice on 15:24 - Feb 14 with 1305 viewsToast_R

How did South African born Roy Wegerle end up playing for the USA?
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Declan Rice on 15:28 - Feb 14 with 1300 viewsmakaveli1882

Declan Rice on 15:24 - Feb 14 by Toast_R

How did South African born Roy Wegerle end up playing for the USA?


His Wife.
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Declan Rice on 15:31 - Feb 14 with 1290 viewsToast_R

Declan Rice on 15:28 - Feb 14 by makaveli1882

His Wife.


Was she the coach?
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Declan Rice on 15:34 - Feb 14 with 1277 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

Declan Rice on 15:14 - Feb 14 by makaveli1882

List of Irish players who are not actually Irish.

England

John Aldridge
Harry Arter
Phil Babb
Leon Best
Keith Branagan
Gary Breen
Shay Brennan
Alex Bruce
Paul Butler
John Byrne
Lee Carsley
Tony Cascarino
Jeff Chandler
Cyrus Christie
Ciaran Clark
David Connolly
Simon Cox
Ronan Curtis
Liam Daish
Rory Delap
John Dempsey
Terry Donovan
Rob Elliot
Mickey Evans
Curtis Fleming
Caleb Folan
Kevin Foley
Tony Galvin
Jon Goodman
Tony Grealish
Paul Green
Austin Hayes
Ron Healey
Matt Holland
Chris Hughton
Mick Kearns
Alan Kelly, Jr.
David Kelly
Mark Kelly
Mick Kennedy
Paddy Kenny
Richard Keogh
Alan Kernaghan
Dean Kiely
Kevin Kilbane
Liam Lawrence
Mark Lawrenson
Jon Macken
Seán Maguire
Terry Mancini
Jason McAteer
Mick McCarthy
Jim McDonagh
David McGoldrick
Eddie McGoldrick
Paul McGrath
Alan McLoughlin
Stephen McPhail
Mike Milligan
Chris Morris
Clinton Morrison
Jerry Murphy
Aiden O'Brien
Andy O'Brien
Brendan O'Callaghan
Kevin O'Callaghan
Joe O'Cearuill
Sean O’Driscoll
Kelham O'Hanlon
Eamonn O’Keefe
David O’Leary
Alex Pearce
Gerry Peyton
Terry Phelan
Anthony Pilkington
Darren Potter
Steven Reid
Declan Rice
Callum Robinson
Michael Robinson
Martin Rowlands
John Sheridan
Sean St Ledger
Peter Thomas
Andy Townsend
Gary Waddock
Mickey Walsh
Jonathan Walters
Keiren Westwood
Germany
Derrick Williams
Northern Ireland
Shane Duffy
Darron Gibson
James McClean
Eunan O'Kane
Marc Wilson

Scotland
Owen Coyle
Tommy Coyne
Charlie Gallagher
Ray Houghton
James McCarthy
Aiden McGeady
Bernie Slaven

United States of America
Joseph Lapira

Wales
Kevin Sheedy


Generous on Wales there. Plenty of plastic Taffs.
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Declan Rice on 15:38 - Feb 14 with 1270 viewsCamberleyR

Declan Rice on 15:34 - Feb 14 by BazzaInTheLoft

Generous on Wales there. Plenty of plastic Taffs.


He means players born in Wales who played for Ireland i.e Kevin Sheedy

I think the clue is 'list of Irish players who are not actually Irish'
[Post edited 14 Feb 15:47]
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Declan Rice on 15:56 - Feb 14 with 1220 viewsW7Ranger

Declan Rice on 15:14 - Feb 14 by makaveli1882

List of Irish players who are not actually Irish.

England

John Aldridge
Harry Arter
Phil Babb
Leon Best
Keith Branagan
Gary Breen
Shay Brennan
Alex Bruce
Paul Butler
John Byrne
Lee Carsley
Tony Cascarino
Jeff Chandler
Cyrus Christie
Ciaran Clark
David Connolly
Simon Cox
Ronan Curtis
Liam Daish
Rory Delap
John Dempsey
Terry Donovan
Rob Elliot
Mickey Evans
Curtis Fleming
Caleb Folan
Kevin Foley
Tony Galvin
Jon Goodman
Tony Grealish
Paul Green
Austin Hayes
Ron Healey
Matt Holland
Chris Hughton
Mick Kearns
Alan Kelly, Jr.
David Kelly
Mark Kelly
Mick Kennedy
Paddy Kenny
Richard Keogh
Alan Kernaghan
Dean Kiely
Kevin Kilbane
Liam Lawrence
Mark Lawrenson
Jon Macken
Seán Maguire
Terry Mancini
Jason McAteer
Mick McCarthy
Jim McDonagh
David McGoldrick
Eddie McGoldrick
Paul McGrath
Alan McLoughlin
Stephen McPhail
Mike Milligan
Chris Morris
Clinton Morrison
Jerry Murphy
Aiden O'Brien
Andy O'Brien
Brendan O'Callaghan
Kevin O'Callaghan
Joe O'Cearuill
Sean O’Driscoll
Kelham O'Hanlon
Eamonn O’Keefe
David O’Leary
Alex Pearce
Gerry Peyton
Terry Phelan
Anthony Pilkington
Darren Potter
Steven Reid
Declan Rice
Callum Robinson
Michael Robinson
Martin Rowlands
John Sheridan
Sean St Ledger
Peter Thomas
Andy Townsend
Gary Waddock
Mickey Walsh
Jonathan Walters
Keiren Westwood
Germany
Derrick Williams
Northern Ireland
Shane Duffy
Darron Gibson
James McClean
Eunan O'Kane
Marc Wilson

Scotland
Owen Coyle
Tommy Coyne
Charlie Gallagher
Ray Houghton
James McCarthy
Aiden McGeady
Bernie Slaven

United States of America
Joseph Lapira

Wales
Kevin Sheedy


Would've been quicker to name the out and out Irish players!
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Declan Rice on 15:58 - Feb 14 with 1217 viewsW7Ranger

Declan Rice on 15:14 - Feb 14 by makaveli1882

List of Irish players who are not actually Irish.

England

John Aldridge
Harry Arter
Phil Babb
Leon Best
Keith Branagan
Gary Breen
Shay Brennan
Alex Bruce
Paul Butler
John Byrne
Lee Carsley
Tony Cascarino
Jeff Chandler
Cyrus Christie
Ciaran Clark
David Connolly
Simon Cox
Ronan Curtis
Liam Daish
Rory Delap
John Dempsey
Terry Donovan
Rob Elliot
Mickey Evans
Curtis Fleming
Caleb Folan
Kevin Foley
Tony Galvin
Jon Goodman
Tony Grealish
Paul Green
Austin Hayes
Ron Healey
Matt Holland
Chris Hughton
Mick Kearns
Alan Kelly, Jr.
David Kelly
Mark Kelly
Mick Kennedy
Paddy Kenny
Richard Keogh
Alan Kernaghan
Dean Kiely
Kevin Kilbane
Liam Lawrence
Mark Lawrenson
Jon Macken
Seán Maguire
Terry Mancini
Jason McAteer
Mick McCarthy
Jim McDonagh
David McGoldrick
Eddie McGoldrick
Paul McGrath
Alan McLoughlin
Stephen McPhail
Mike Milligan
Chris Morris
Clinton Morrison
Jerry Murphy
Aiden O'Brien
Andy O'Brien
Brendan O'Callaghan
Kevin O'Callaghan
Joe O'Cearuill
Sean O’Driscoll
Kelham O'Hanlon
Eamonn O’Keefe
David O’Leary
Alex Pearce
Gerry Peyton
Terry Phelan
Anthony Pilkington
Darren Potter
Steven Reid
Declan Rice
Callum Robinson
Michael Robinson
Martin Rowlands
John Sheridan
Sean St Ledger
Peter Thomas
Andy Townsend
Gary Waddock
Mickey Walsh
Jonathan Walters
Keiren Westwood
Germany
Derrick Williams
Northern Ireland
Shane Duffy
Darron Gibson
James McClean
Eunan O'Kane
Marc Wilson

Scotland
Owen Coyle
Tommy Coyne
Charlie Gallagher
Ray Houghton
James McCarthy
Aiden McGeady
Bernie Slaven

United States of America
Joseph Lapira

Wales
Kevin Sheedy


Hang on...

David O'Leary???!!

Are you telling me he's been putting on that Oirish accent to fool us all these years??!!
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Declan Rice on 16:03 - Feb 14 with 1207 viewsDannyPaddox

A dog born in a stables is not a kangaroo.
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Declan Rice on 16:07 - Feb 14 with 1196 viewsCamberleyR

Declan Rice on 15:58 - Feb 14 by W7Ranger

Hang on...

David O'Leary???!!

Are you telling me he's been putting on that Oirish accent to fool us all these years??!!


Born in Stoke Newington to Irish parents, moved back to Dublin at three years old.
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Declan Rice on 16:17 - Feb 14 with 1175 viewsW7Ranger

Declan Rice on 16:07 - Feb 14 by CamberleyR

Born in Stoke Newington to Irish parents, moved back to Dublin at three years old.


I think we'll let him off choosing ROI.
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Declan Rice on 16:22 - Feb 14 with 1157 viewsElHoop

Declan Rice on 15:58 - Feb 14 by W7Ranger

Hang on...

David O'Leary???!!

Are you telling me he's been putting on that Oirish accent to fool us all these years??!!


You could say that half of U2 aren't Irish if you wanted to look at it from the point of view of birthplace.

How about a list of English cricketers who weren't born in England?
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Declan Rice on 16:28 - Feb 14 with 1138 viewsrobith

As an Ireland fan, I'm not massively disappointed. I was born in the UK and have an English accent so I'm not one to throw stones, and plus ROI are just of guilty of the same thing to young Northern Irish players. Better this than end up like Mark Lawrenson, playing for Ireland for convience then constantly calling England "we" as a pundit

Just confused from a practical level give how far down the path he'd gone - he'd be guaranteed to be a starting international for a decade for Ireland. Will he get 5 caps for England? Given how much leverage being an international gives you at contract negotiation he must really wanna try to play for England
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Declan Rice on 16:36 - Feb 14 with 1117 viewsGalileo

England aren't immune from selecting those born overseas

Sterling
Hargreaves
Barnes
Butcher

sure there are plenty more.
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Declan Rice on 16:40 - Feb 14 with 1101 viewsmakaveli1882

Declan Rice on 16:28 - Feb 14 by robith

As an Ireland fan, I'm not massively disappointed. I was born in the UK and have an English accent so I'm not one to throw stones, and plus ROI are just of guilty of the same thing to young Northern Irish players. Better this than end up like Mark Lawrenson, playing for Ireland for convience then constantly calling England "we" as a pundit

Just confused from a practical level give how far down the path he'd gone - he'd be guaranteed to be a starting international for a decade for Ireland. Will he get 5 caps for England? Given how much leverage being an international gives you at contract negotiation he must really wanna try to play for England


Love the honesty

A lot of countries guilty of it, this is a strange one because Rice is actually English and probably grew up supporting England my guess is it he didn't think he would ever have the chance of playing for England and now he has so he has sh1t on Ireland.

The worse case was when Germany played Ghana in 2010 World Cup and you had a Boateng bother on either side
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