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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton (n/t) on 18:53 - Oct 23 with 2774 views | _Windydale |
For me, it means, standing tall one on one. blocking the shot and making it hard to score around him, through him. [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 18:55]
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 18:56 - Oct 23 with 2745 views | D_Alien |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 18:44 - Oct 23 by funkkk |
There’s not many professional goalkeepers I would class as bad shot stoppers, always seems such a strange comment to make. |
Indeed
It can never be used as an excuse for weaknesses in other areas of the role
Lynch would be being crucified (even more) for similar and imo there's little between them - both lower league keepers who'll have good & bad games
Robbie clearly prefers Coleman so we'll just have to put up with a few errors and hope they don't cost us
See Sanchez made an absolute howler to gift City the lead earlier too |  |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 18:58 - Oct 23 with 2730 views | boromat |
We needed a win and we got one. Yes it was looking like being much more comfortable than it ended up being but I'll take that. After a few weeks of struggling to finish we've scored 3. McNulty's distribution made such a difference, think I'd have Taylor instead of Graham but maybe pace is why he's in the team. Newby and O'Keefe linking up well again like earlier in the season. Morley and Kelly looked great in midfield.
The corners were awfully defended. One of them had Grant marking one of their Centre Half's complete mix match! The second one I'll have to look back there could have been a foul in there but on the first viewing I thought our players went down easy.
Comment on the red card as well. What a stupid thing to do?! Literally asking for an early bath. | |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 19:32 - Oct 23 with 2546 views | Shun |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 18:56 - Oct 23 by D_Alien |
Indeed
It can never be used as an excuse for weaknesses in other areas of the role
Lynch would be being crucified (even more) for similar and imo there's little between them - both lower league keepers who'll have good & bad games
Robbie clearly prefers Coleman so we'll just have to put up with a few errors and hope they don't cost us
See Sanchez made an absolute howler to gift City the lead earlier too |
True, but can you recall Lynch having a game like Coleman did on Tuesday where he almost single-handedly (EOC helped) got us a result? I can’t. For me Coleman is far better. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 19:51 - Oct 23 with 2434 views | D_Alien |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 19:32 - Oct 23 by Shun |
True, but can you recall Lynch having a game like Coleman did on Tuesday where he almost single-handedly (EOC helped) got us a result? I can’t. For me Coleman is far better. |
I don't need to provide that type of game reference
The simple fact is that both can stop shots pretty well but both are prone to positioning/handling errors
Coleman certainly isn't far better, but he might be marginally better which is why the manager is selecting him ahead of Lynch. Should Coleman lose his confidence i really don't think our ability to achieve results would be significantly diminished if Lynch was between the sticks instead | |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 19:59 - Oct 23 with 2386 views | Shun |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 19:51 - Oct 23 by D_Alien |
I don't need to provide that type of game reference
The simple fact is that both can stop shots pretty well but both are prone to positioning/handling errors
Coleman certainly isn't far better, but he might be marginally better which is why the manager is selecting him ahead of Lynch. Should Coleman lose his confidence i really don't think our ability to achieve results would be significantly diminished if Lynch was between the sticks instead |
You don’t, but it would support your point as currently there’s little evidence to suggest the two keepers are of the same standard. You only have to look at their careers thus far to get an inkling to their abilities - Coleman is 26 and has only played at League One level and above. Lynch is 2 years older and before coming to Dale he’d never played league football before. | | | |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:03 - Oct 23 with 2362 views | D_Alien |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 19:59 - Oct 23 by Shun |
You don’t, but it would support your point as currently there’s little evidence to suggest the two keepers are of the same standard. You only have to look at their careers thus far to get an inkling to their abilities - Coleman is 26 and has only played at League One level and above. Lynch is 2 years older and before coming to Dale he’d never played league football before. |
It would appear that Coleman is being selected ahead of Lynch (if we take your point) on the basis of greater football league experience then
Which is fine, but that basis alone doesn't make him a better keeper - although he might be. My point is simply that there's very little to choose between them based on performances for Dale alone | |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:08 - Oct 23 with 2328 views | boromat |
I prefer Lynch but there's not alot in it. | |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:12 - Oct 23 with 2298 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:03 - Oct 23 by D_Alien |
It would appear that Coleman is being selected ahead of Lynch (if we take your point) on the basis of greater football league experience then
Which is fine, but that basis alone doesn't make him a better keeper - although he might be. My point is simply that there's very little to choose between them based on performances for Dale alone |
It's a bit like two bald men fighting over a comb.
Here's a good question though - who's better, Coleman, Lynch or Lillis? |  |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:14 - Oct 23 with 2280 views | swiggy |
Jim is 480 games in front of all of us, that’s because he can play football. Mr Dorsett hasn’t been pulling up trees and in fact has been crap, in the future he may become a good footballer but at the moment isn’t fit to look lace Jim’s boots. See my earlier post re Mr Graham, please look as though you care or don’t bother. If you try and put in effort any teams supporters will back you but if you don’t care why should we? | | | |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:16 - Oct 23 with 2266 views | 442Dale |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:12 - Oct 23 by TVOS1907 |
It's a bit like two bald men fighting over a comb.
Here's a good question though - who's better, Coleman, Lynch or Lillis? |
It’s not even up for debate. Lillis played more games than any other Dale keeper and throughout one of our most successful ever eras.
It’s been done to death on here, but his relative consistency and presence is one that was perhaps taken for granted. |  |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:21 - Oct 23 with 2215 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:14 - Oct 23 by swiggy |
Jim is 480 games in front of all of us, that’s because he can play football. Mr Dorsett hasn’t been pulling up trees and in fact has been crap, in the future he may become a good footballer but at the moment isn’t fit to look lace Jim’s boots. See my earlier post re Mr Graham, please look as though you care or don’t bother. If you try and put in effort any teams supporters will back you but if you don’t care why should we? |
Graham won four aerial duels today, made five clearances, one key pass and one block. He also made 53 passes with 77.4% accuracy.
So he was doing something. | |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:55 - Oct 23 with 2093 views | 49thseason |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:21 - Oct 23 by TVOS1907 |
Graham won four aerial duels today, made five clearances, one key pass and one block. He also made 53 passes with 77.4% accuracy.
So he was doing something. |
I thought he did OK today, there were a couple of occasions in the second half out on our right when he used some pace I didnt realise he had. I think we have to realise that a number of the lads we have brought in from playing academy football are learning the professional game in L2 on the job. As long as they continue to learn I can live with a few mistakes.
I don't know if Stockdale has his best team sorted out yet, I imagine Andrews is a big miss at the moment, and what is going on with Taylor who was recently given a 2 year contract?
It was important to force a win out of today's game no matter how they managed it and it will stand them in good stead mentally as it adds belief and focus from what was another visit to the land of the giants. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 21:07 - Oct 23 with 2034 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:55 - Oct 23 by 49thseason |
I thought he did OK today, there were a couple of occasions in the second half out on our right when he used some pace I didnt realise he had. I think we have to realise that a number of the lads we have brought in from playing academy football are learning the professional game in L2 on the job. As long as they continue to learn I can live with a few mistakes.
I don't know if Stockdale has his best team sorted out yet, I imagine Andrews is a big miss at the moment, and what is going on with Taylor who was recently given a 2 year contract?
It was important to force a win out of today's game no matter how they managed it and it will stand them in good stead mentally as it adds belief and focus from what was another visit to the land of the giants. |
Yep, agree with all that.
I'm not sure anything sinister is going on with Taylor. Maybe he wasn't involved recently for other reasons. The manager has preferred Dorsett and Graham in recent weeks (Taylor played in the PJT at Port Vale, don't forget) and maybe he wanted McNulty's greater experience today, but that's just guesswork.
I'm sure Taylor will be back in before too long and one of the aforementioned will have a spell on the bench. | |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 21:12 - Oct 23 with 2013 views | D_Alien |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 20:12 - Oct 23 by TVOS1907 |
It's a bit like two bald men fighting over a comb.
Here's a good question though - who's better, Coleman, Lynch or Lillis? |
Don't try brushing it under the carpet! | |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 21:30 - Oct 23 with 1936 views | BlueMessiah |
Lots of positives from today, not least the result. Despite all the criticism (as much from me as anyone else) Big Jim had a really good game. The rest of the defence, without being spectacular, didn't do much wrong. Kelly was the best player on the pitch by a mile and was easily MOM, always making himself available and very rarely conceding possession, weighing in with a fabulous assist and a very well taken goal was the icing on the cake.
On the negative side I feel we're a bit weak up front, in that most 50/50s seem to go to the opposition - maybe we're a bit too nice? Our inability to defend corners though, must be legendary throughout the leagues. It seems no matter who is the manager, coaches or players, we just can't do it. 7 vs 11 in the penalty area for both their goals really does leave you scratching your head.
Still, a very welcome home win and 3 points and nice to be playing towards the Pearl Street second half for a change.
Onwards and upwards! [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 21:31]
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 21:37 - Oct 23 with 1890 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 21:30 - Oct 23 by BlueMessiah |
Lots of positives from today, not least the result. Despite all the criticism (as much from me as anyone else) Big Jim had a really good game. The rest of the defence, without being spectacular, didn't do much wrong. Kelly was the best player on the pitch by a mile and was easily MOM, always making himself available and very rarely conceding possession, weighing in with a fabulous assist and a very well taken goal was the icing on the cake.
On the negative side I feel we're a bit weak up front, in that most 50/50s seem to go to the opposition - maybe we're a bit too nice? Our inability to defend corners though, must be legendary throughout the leagues. It seems no matter who is the manager, coaches or players, we just can't do it. 7 vs 11 in the penalty area for both their goals really does leave you scratching your head.
Still, a very welcome home win and 3 points and nice to be playing towards the Pearl Street second half for a change.
Onwards and upwards! [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 21:31]
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We've attacked Pearl Street in the second half in two home games this season - and won both! [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 22:21]
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 21:55 - Oct 23 with 1806 views | 1907 |
What I’m finding most frustrating about this season is that we are very much more capable than our league position states.
Port Vale are second, Northampton third. We’ve beaten both of them away and neither were very good.
Forest Green are top of the league and they should never have beaten us either.
I don’t want this season to be a season of excuses about “how far we’ve come etc” because the squad assembled is good & extremely capable.
Stockdale needs to maximise what is available to him & start doing the right things
I feel like a broken record but this formation clearly isn’t working. Graham clearly needs a break from the team & we could actually end up having an unbelievably good year.
Today was a great and important result, but I’m struggling to understand how we conspired to make it so difficult. | | | |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 21:55 - Oct 23 with 1803 views | nordenblue |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 21:37 - Oct 23 by TVOS1907 |
We've attacked Pearl Street in the second half in two home games this season - and won both! [Post edited 23 Oct 2021 22:21]
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To what?😉 | | | |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 22:13 - Oct 23 with 1722 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
Is there any reason that white is not starting? He must be a decent earner and should be one of the best players on the pitch ability wise, along with Kelly who is a class above anything in midfield in this league, let alone our squad.
Be nice to have 6 or 7 of the team picking itself every week (and not just because they are all we have) |  |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 22:22 - Oct 23 with 1682 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 21:55 - Oct 23 by nordenblue |
To what?😉 |
Don't know what you mean. | |
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 23:05 - Oct 23 with 1542 views | EllDale |
First of all, has anyone seen a bigger team than Sutton?
Most of their side must be six feet plus.
One of the biggest got himself sent off though and that dismissal changed the game completely.
They weren’t just bullies though, there was one period in the first half where we didn’t see the ball at all for a couple of minutes.
We controlled the first 30 minutes of the second half and stretched and probed them relentlessly. Really impressed with that although one or two in the Sandy weren’t over happy.
But then all the old faults of the last six or seven years bubbled to the surface.
Giving free kicks away in dangerous areas, being unable to defend set pieces into the box, being unable to defend a lead.
Can’t really identify what happened to give them the whip hand but they really stepped up a gear, ironically when they brought on a smaller, more mobile forward upfront.
Three great goals though, and the first was a fantastic pass and a brilliant finish.
Now that Kelly is getting match fit he, O’Connell and Beesley should be the first three names on the team sheet every week.
As for selection, if Dorsett wasn’t available for whatever reason then Jim was the obvious replacement, purely and simply because he’s left footed.
Apparently he was at Port Vale the other Tuesday and looked classy today.
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| Match Thread: Dale vs Sutton on 23:18 - Oct 23 with 1504 views | Gatekeeper |
Congratulations on you win. Was very impressed by your team fans and club. | | | |
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