| Will lessons be learned if we survive? 06:46 - May 8 with 7829 views | E20Jack |
I genuinely believe that the Americans took over completely underestimating the need in constant, quality investment in the playing side. Seeing us as a safe mid table Premier League side, and they would be able to get a cheap deal with minimal investment and get some nice dividends from the profits every year. Sadly I think Jenkins did nothing to convince them otherwise, not to rock the boat. If they knew the club needed £15m-£20m net spend at least per season they wouldnt have been so keen.
Unfortunately football, and more specifically Premier League football, isnt like that. You can not scrimp and save otherwise you will be found out extremely quickly and your £100m+ business could end up a £30m business struggling to even pay its running costs before you can say "Blackburn Rovers".
If we do stay up by a gnats hair, and there is still an awful lot of work to do for that to happen, do you think the Americans will have realised the errors of their ways and redirect club income towards the playing side (Gylfi and Borja sale + the usual £15m) or do you think we will continue to let our top players go and replace with the standard £5m player?
We should have a small squad full of quality in order to finance the wage structure. A but like the Laudrup era. The frustrating thing is after this debacle is over, we have a real chance to progress given the right backing, yet I have a horrible feeling that the vision of the fans and the vision of the owners do not marry up.
I think after this season is out, as 21% shareholder the Trust deserve to know what direction the club is going in, what are the actual immediate plans regarding transfer budget and whether it is a low investment "surviving excercise" or are we actually looking to improve the club.
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:10 - May 8 with 3753 views | Dr_Winston |
We don't need a £15-20m net spend every year. We probably couldn't afford it anyway without heading into debt to someone, and that's not a price worth paying.
You mention the Laudrup squad as an example. Laudrup spent about £15-16m in the summer of 2012, money that was almost totally recouped by the sale of Joe Allen, never mind the sales of both Scott Sinclair and then Danny Graham.
We could do with beefing the squad up in certain areas but who the player is and whether or not the manager actually has a use for them is far more important than how much we spend on them. |  |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:25 - May 8 with 3711 views | waynekerr55 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:10 - May 8 by Dr_Winston |
We don't need a £15-20m net spend every year. We probably couldn't afford it anyway without heading into debt to someone, and that's not a price worth paying.
You mention the Laudrup squad as an example. Laudrup spent about £15-16m in the summer of 2012, money that was almost totally recouped by the sale of Joe Allen, never mind the sales of both Scott Sinclair and then Danny Graham.
We could do with beefing the squad up in certain areas but who the player is and whether or not the manager actually has a use for them is far more important than how much we spend on them. |
The most crucial thing to happen whatever division we find ourselves in is to give Jenkins, Leadbetter and the recruitment monkeys their p45 |  |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:30 - May 8 with 3700 views | Fireboy |
Every average PL club needs to spend between 20-30 million to improve their squad as has been seen with us and sunderland they will be at the bottom scrapping it out
It did help our case with having a bumbling fvckwit as a manager though
I'm hoping that if we stay up PC will be stamping his authority on who he wants in and who he wants rid of not letting that big nosed tvvat conduct the recruitment |  | | |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:31 - May 8 with 3695 views | E20Jack |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:10 - May 8 by Dr_Winston |
We don't need a £15-20m net spend every year. We probably couldn't afford it anyway without heading into debt to someone, and that's not a price worth paying.
You mention the Laudrup squad as an example. Laudrup spent about £15-16m in the summer of 2012, money that was almost totally recouped by the sale of Joe Allen, never mind the sales of both Scott Sinclair and then Danny Graham.
We could do with beefing the squad up in certain areas but who the player is and whether or not the manager actually has a use for them is far more important than how much we spend on them. |
Id say in this market we need £15m net spend in order to continue to improve. I also dont think we would head into debt. We are the only club in the PL who has not spent a penny (net) on transfers in the last 6 years. Not a penny and this year it has absolutely shown and will continue to show as the natural progression of swapping 8/10 players for 7/10 players continues and so on, it will only ever end up one way. Can you see us finishing 8th again under that model?
We have used funds to hire obviously incorrect managers on long contracts and subsequently paying those managers off substantially, given a large squad Premier League wages, buy top training facilities, buy top youth academy facilities, bought a multitude of bit part £5m players, pay dividends etc etc. there is a lot of money that can be saved elsewhere in order to fund the much needed proper investment in the playing side without going into debt.
We now have a manager that has a good pedigree, we have a youth Academy, we have top training facilities. We do not need to direct club funds anywhere else. The squad should be trimmed:-
Borja, Montero, Narsingh, VDH, Gomis, Tabanou, Grimes, Barrow, Emnes will all command a transfer fee and will all be on decent wages. Once this happens then there should be a full, concentrated effort to bring in 4 quality players to make a real difference to the side. If that means paying £15m of the extra Sky money then thats what it means.
If we cannot afford £15m a year to be dedicated to improving the playing side without going into debt then our money management needs some serious consideration. It is clearly not a sustainable model to keep selling and spending less than you get to replace. This mentality needs to stop or finding ourselves in this situation will not be a blip, ir a bump in the road - but indeed a regular occurrence. [Post edited 8 May 2017 7:35]
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:44 - May 8 with 3633 views | jack247 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:25 - May 8 by waynekerr55 |
The most crucial thing to happen whatever division we find ourselves in is to give Jenkins, Leadbetter and the recruitment monkeys their p45 |
On the proviso we have someone better lined up to replace them. I want them out too, but I wouldn't be happy to go into next season with Pearlman and Landon leading the charge. Better the sellout you know. | | | |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:46 - May 8 with 3626 views | jeza739 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:31 - May 8 by E20Jack |
Id say in this market we need £15m net spend in order to continue to improve. I also dont think we would head into debt. We are the only club in the PL who has not spent a penny (net) on transfers in the last 6 years. Not a penny and this year it has absolutely shown and will continue to show as the natural progression of swapping 8/10 players for 7/10 players continues and so on, it will only ever end up one way. Can you see us finishing 8th again under that model?
We have used funds to hire obviously incorrect managers on long contracts and subsequently paying those managers off substantially, given a large squad Premier League wages, buy top training facilities, buy top youth academy facilities, bought a multitude of bit part £5m players, pay dividends etc etc. there is a lot of money that can be saved elsewhere in order to fund the much needed proper investment in the playing side without going into debt.
We now have a manager that has a good pedigree, we have a youth Academy, we have top training facilities. We do not need to direct club funds anywhere else. The squad should be trimmed:-
Borja, Montero, Narsingh, VDH, Gomis, Tabanou, Grimes, Barrow, Emnes will all command a transfer fee and will all be on decent wages. Once this happens then there should be a full, concentrated effort to bring in 4 quality players to make a real difference to the side. If that means paying £15m of the extra Sky money then thats what it means.
If we cannot afford £15m a year to be dedicated to improving the playing side without going into debt then our money management needs some serious consideration. It is clearly not a sustainable model to keep selling and spending less than you get to replace. This mentality needs to stop or finding ourselves in this situation will not be a blip, ir a bump in the road - but indeed a regular occurrence. [Post edited 8 May 2017 7:35]
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Top post . Totally agree. Along with the fact PC, should decide who he wants and no one else . Big nose should have nothing to do with player recruitment | | | |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:59 - May 8 with 3565 views | STID2017 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:46 - May 8 by jeza739 |
Top post . Totally agree. Along with the fact PC, should decide who he wants and no one else . Big nose should have nothing to do with player recruitment |
Leads to the question - are Llorente, Mawson, Ollson, Carroll, Ayew and Narsingh all HJ's signings ? (Believe Borja was a knee jerk signing) |  |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:05 - May 8 with 3551 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:25 - May 8 by waynekerr55 |
The most crucial thing to happen whatever division we find ourselves in is to give Jenkins, Leadbetter and the recruitment monkeys their p45 |
Correct.
Jenkins HAS to go, IF we stay up this year, it wont sugar coat anything for me, the guys a parasite which needs removing. |  | | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:26 - May 8 with 3507 views | waynekerr55 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:31 - May 8 by E20Jack |
Id say in this market we need £15m net spend in order to continue to improve. I also dont think we would head into debt. We are the only club in the PL who has not spent a penny (net) on transfers in the last 6 years. Not a penny and this year it has absolutely shown and will continue to show as the natural progression of swapping 8/10 players for 7/10 players continues and so on, it will only ever end up one way. Can you see us finishing 8th again under that model?
We have used funds to hire obviously incorrect managers on long contracts and subsequently paying those managers off substantially, given a large squad Premier League wages, buy top training facilities, buy top youth academy facilities, bought a multitude of bit part £5m players, pay dividends etc etc. there is a lot of money that can be saved elsewhere in order to fund the much needed proper investment in the playing side without going into debt.
We now have a manager that has a good pedigree, we have a youth Academy, we have top training facilities. We do not need to direct club funds anywhere else. The squad should be trimmed:-
Borja, Montero, Narsingh, VDH, Gomis, Tabanou, Grimes, Barrow, Emnes will all command a transfer fee and will all be on decent wages. Once this happens then there should be a full, concentrated effort to bring in 4 quality players to make a real difference to the side. If that means paying £15m of the extra Sky money then thats what it means.
If we cannot afford £15m a year to be dedicated to improving the playing side without going into debt then our money management needs some serious consideration. It is clearly not a sustainable model to keep selling and spending less than you get to replace. This mentality needs to stop or finding ourselves in this situation will not be a blip, ir a bump in the road - but indeed a regular occurrence. [Post edited 8 May 2017 7:35]
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The huge operating losses in the accounts tell their own tale. That's the legacy of buying 'cheap' as we are saddled with signing on fees and wages from Huw's "bargain" policies. The cūnt has to go. | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:31 - May 8 with 3490 views | WarwickHunt |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:59 - May 8 by STID2017 |
Leads to the question - are Llorente, Mawson, Ollson, Carroll, Ayew and Narsingh all HJ's signings ? (Believe Borja was a knee jerk signing) |
Olsson and Ayew may have had a good game against us once... |  | | |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:39 - May 8 with 3460 views | waynekerr55 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:44 - May 8 by jack247 |
On the proviso we have someone better lined up to replace them. I want them out too, but I wouldn't be happy to go into next season with Pearlman and Landon leading the charge. Better the sellout you know. |
They will surely have learnt their lesson now. They talked about sustainability when they took us over. The key to that is removing Jenkins and appointing people who can recruit players based on metrics other than championship​ manager | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:40 - May 8 with 3463 views | E20Jack |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:26 - May 8 by waynekerr55 |
The huge operating losses in the accounts tell their own tale. That's the legacy of buying 'cheap' as we are saddled with signing on fees and wages from Huw's "bargain" policies. The cūnt has to go. |
Agree with you. "If you buy it cheap then you buy it twice" comes to mind. This transfer nonsense needs a major overhaul. Not bringing back Allen and baulking at a few extra million will sting for a very long time, he would have been one of the safest investments a club could ever make. | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:45 - May 8 with 3439 views | STID2017 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:40 - May 8 by E20Jack |
Agree with you. "If you buy it cheap then you buy it twice" comes to mind. This transfer nonsense needs a major overhaul. Not bringing back Allen and baulking at a few extra million will sting for a very long time, he would have been one of the safest investments a club could ever make. |
Everyone assumes Allen had his car packed pointing in the direction of Swansea.
How do we know he ever wanted to come back to us ?
He may have been advised against it or may have been offered a much better deal at Stoke.
Players have to weigh up what is best for them in a very short career - maybe Joe worked out he'd be better off elsewhere ?
A fan of Swans he may be, but his financial security has to come first. | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:00 - May 8 with 3383 views | E20Jack |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:45 - May 8 by STID2017 |
Everyone assumes Allen had his car packed pointing in the direction of Swansea.
How do we know he ever wanted to come back to us ?
He may have been advised against it or may have been offered a much better deal at Stoke.
Players have to weigh up what is best for them in a very short career - maybe Joe worked out he'd be better off elsewhere ?
A fan of Swans he may be, but his financial security has to come first. |
He is a Cardigan boy, people know Joe. He wanted to come back, trust me. | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:06 - May 8 with 3352 views | jack247 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:39 - May 8 by waynekerr55 |
They will surely have learnt their lesson now. They talked about sustainability when they took us over. The key to that is removing Jenkins and appointing people who can recruit players based on metrics other than championship​ manager |
That's my point. Removing Jenkins is one thing. It's the appointing the right replacement but that worries me. | | | |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:11 - May 8 with 3329 views | waynekerr55 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:06 - May 8 by jack247 |
That's my point. Removing Jenkins is one thing. It's the appointing the right replacement but that worries me. |
Well we have very low expectations if we don't think that we can find a better replacement for 500k per year | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:17 - May 8 with 3314 views | jack247 |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 08:39 - May 8 by waynekerr55 |
They will surely have learnt their lesson now. They talked about sustainability when they took us over. The key to that is removing Jenkins and appointing people who can recruit players based on metrics other than championship​ manager |
That's my point. Removing Jenkins is one thing. It's the appointing the right replacement but that worries me. | | | |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:21 - May 8 with 3298 views | Loyal |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 07:25 - May 8 by waynekerr55 |
The most crucial thing to happen whatever division we find ourselves in is to give Jenkins, Leadbetter and the recruitment monkeys their p45 |
Very wishful thinking. |  |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:23 - May 8 with 3283 views | perchrockjack |
Be nicer to review this season having retained our league status
For now, it's premature | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:38 - May 8 with 3237 views | Private_Partz |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:23 - May 8 by perchrockjack |
Be nicer to review this season having retained our league status
For now, it's premature |
I agree but the OP did qualify it with an 'if' we stay up.
Regardless of where we are next season I think we need to change our recruitment system. We need scouts all across Europe who can pick up ambitious continental players on the cheap. Something along the lines that Tutmulu seemed to have. This team can then advise Clem on what they have sourced then it is his call who we sign on.
If we are in the Chapionship the recruitment team will need to be a smaller group but is we stay up we need to go for it.
The Sellouts being shown the door is essential but you can bet your last fiver that Jenkins will get another massive payout to add to his millions if he does get the Royal Order of The Boot. |  |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:42 - May 8 with 3222 views | perchrockjack |
Morning PP
Frankly, I'm not bothered as to what happens to Jenkins after he leaves,as he must.
I'm actually not that arsed about how much he s made , after he leaves, as he must | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:44 - May 8 with 3221 views | dickythorpe |
Just lay some coaches on FREE for Saturday!!! |  | | |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:47 - May 8 with 3210 views | Private_Partz |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:42 - May 8 by perchrockjack |
Morning PP
Frankly, I'm not bothered as to what happens to Jenkins after he leaves,as he must.
I'm actually not that arsed about how much he s made , after he leaves, as he must |
I agree. Still gets on my t!ts that the guy has effed about with our future whilst feathering his own nest big time though ;-) | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:53 - May 8 with 3185 views | perchrockjack |
He just has to go for us to progress
Same with Dineen
Without boring everyone, I wasn't bothered about the club being sold per se. It's to whom has been so sickening
Six years in the Prem should have seen us progress | |
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| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 10:00 - May 8 with 3165 views | lifelong |
| Will lessons be learned if we survive? on 09:53 - May 8 by perchrockjack |
He just has to go for us to progress
Same with Dineen
Without boring everyone, I wasn't bothered about the club being sold per se. It's to whom has been so sickening
Six years in the Prem should have seen us progress |
Do you not think that 6 years in the top flight is progression in itself?
It's something the club has never done before in over a hundred years. |  | | |
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