| Vanity 00:36 - Jun 5 with 4689 views | Kerouac |
I'll make this brief.
Corbyn does not like 'shoot to kill' on principle. Fair enough.
This puts him at odds with the UK public (especially during these troubled times).
He could adjust his public position on this issue (and on the nuclear strike issue) in order to secure more votes for the Labour party.
It comes down to principles Vs pragmatism, and Corbyn is not prepared to sacrifice his principles on the altar of a Labour victory in the GE.
To me this = Vanity
It strikes me that many of us do the same thing on the subject of Islamic terrorism.
We are not prepared to sacrifice dearly held principles on the altar of our children's futures.
It would seem that it is more important to be able to look at ourselves in the mirror and see somebody staring back that our younger more idealistic selves could be proud of.
Me? I think it is more important to be able to look into my children's eyes in 30 years time and be able to say;
" I did everything I could to ensure that you were able to inherit the kind of safe, stable country that I (and my generation) was fortunate enough to inherit. "
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| Vanity on 14:04 - Jun 5 with 1208 views | perchrockjack |
Why are you described as an idiot K.
You make perfect sense to me
Just embrace the sheer lunacy of this great island and it's possible sinking without trace in economic matters.
We face Diane Abbott as head of Police . A woman who has fought police all her life.
Poacher turned game keeper
Really, Johnny Mac should be made NI secretary then we can have a united island, whether ,of course, they want it or not |  |
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| Vanity on 14:17 - Jun 5 with 1191 views | perchrockjack |
I pm d meraki to explain myself to him and my rather arcane posts ,which the mods seem to delete now rather too often.
To date, nothing
Never seen one decent respectful exchange between a Corbynista and others outside their cabal
I fear for this country
It ll be fun for the warped though to watch
Friday s stock markets could be a sight to behold
If Corbyn is swatted away by Junckers and Merkel, he won't have the funds to promise the NHS or the three year student pisss up, which is a great way of collecting votes from shallow kids with no focus .
We need money for apprenticeships not university degrees in drama | |
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| Vanity on 14:34 - Jun 5 with 1170 views | Ebo |
| Vanity on 10:50 - Jun 5 by Kerouac |
Changing his position a week before the General Election in the midst of an Islamic bombing spree in the UK is not fooling anybody, people remember shiit like this...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12047827/The-veteran-Trot
(the Telegraph article in the link)
THE VETERAN TROTSKYITE AND THE PUBLIC SCHOOLBOY UNITED BEHIND JEREMY CORBYN
(By Andrew Gilligan10:30PM GMT 12 Dec 2015)
It was the latest flashpoint between Jeremy Corbyn and his MPs, the annual Christmas party of an “anti-Western” group which most of them loathe.
Yet the most interesting thing about Mr Corbyn’s appearance at Friday’s Stop the War Coalition dinner was not what he said — but who he was with.
Mr Corbyn tried to hurry out through an emergency exit, but he could not escape being photographed with the man who chaired the notorious press conference at which Mohammed Emwazi, the Isil executioner known as Jihadi John, was described as a “beautiful young man”.
John Rees, a veteran Trotskyite and national officer of Stop the War, has stated his opposition to “regime change” in Syria. He also backed Russia’s annexation of Crimea, describing it as the;
“Russian state defending its interests … what we are seeing now is fundamentally a response to the period after the Cold War in which Nato has moved eastwards and now, in an almost literal sense, has its tanks on the lawn of the Russian state”.
But it was his and Stop the War’s close links with the “human rights” group Cage, seen by many as apologists for terror, that first brought Mr Rees to close public attention.
At the press conference last February, with Mr Rees nodding in agreement, Asim Qureshi, Cage’s director, blamed MI5 for turning the “gentle” Emwazi into a murderer.
At the time, as the furore over Mr Qureshi’s remarks showed, Stop the War and its allies were marginal voices of little importance. Now, thanks in substantial part to the work of Mr Rees and Lindsey German, his partner and the group’s convener, Stop the War and the views it represents have become central to the Labour Party.
Stop the War’s chairman, Andrew Murray, told Friday’s dinner:
“It is a pleasure to welcome Jeremy Corbyn, who has been part of the backbone of Stop the War from the start. He is among friends here tonight.”
Mr Corbyn praised the coalition at the dinner as a “vital force at the heart of our democracy”.
The group caused controversy by claiming after the Paris attacks that France had;
“reaped the whirlwind”
of supporting Western military intervention. It also alleged Isil has greater “internationalism and solidarity”
than Britain’s bombing campaign.
Former backers, including Green MP Caroline Lucas and rights campaigner Peter Tatchell, have disowned the group and Mr Corbyn has faced calls from senior Labour figures such as MPs Caroline Flint and Tristram Hunt to cut his ties, too. Other leaders of Stop the War — many of them at the dinner — include patron Kamal Majid, a founder-member of the Stalin Society, created in 1991 to “defend Stalin and his work”.
At a meeting of the New Communist Party, he described Syria’s Assad regime as rulers “with a long history of resisting imperialism” who must be supported “because their defeat will pave the way for a pro-Western and pro-US regime”.
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In May 2013, Stop the War gave a platform to a leading pro-Assad Syrian in London, Issa Chaer, who spoke alongside Mr Majid.
A lecturer at South Bank University, he runs the Syrian Social Club regime supporters’ group and appears on Assad-friendly TV channels defending the dictator.
The final speaker at that meeting was advertised as Mr Corbyn, although a diary clash meant he ended up only sending a “message of support”.
Andrew Murray is a member of the Communist Party of Britain, which argues against “tipping the military balance against President Assad’s regime” on the grounds that it would “remove a critic of US foreign policy and the illegal Israeli occupation of Syrian, Palestinian and Lebanese land”.
(Asim Qureshi (left) of CAGE, sits with John Rees (centre) of Stop the War Coalition and Cerie Bullivant, as he speaks about the person he knows as Mohammed Emwazi, who has been named as the Islamic State executioner 'Jihadi John', during a press conference at the P21 Gallery, in central London)
Another Stop the War national officer, Kate Hudson, stated as recently as 2009 that “the collapse of the Soviet Union was a catastrophe for humanity”.
Ms Hudson is a member of the Trotskyite splinter group Socialist Action, which believes that “should [military action] succeed in overthrowing Assad, not only the population of Syria, but the whole Middle East, will be set back”.
“Stop the War is not anti-war,” said James Bloodworth, the former editor of the Labour-supporting blog, Left Foot Forward.
“It is anti-West. It does not appear to object unduly to wars when it is the enemies of the West that are doing the killing.”
The group has provided a key support mechanism for Mr Corbyn, with activists at the core of his political project to become leader.
Chairman Mr Murray is chief of staff of the Unite union, Labour’s biggest donor — its support was key in Mr Corbyn becoming leader.
Mr Murray’s daughter is a key activist in Momentum, the Corbyn support group seeking to oust moderate MPs. Ms German and Mr Rees organised thousands of supporters to get Mr Corbyn elected.
Stop the War spokesman Chris Nineham claimed credit for “massively limiting the Labour rebellion against Jeremy” over Syria raids. It was accused of intimidating Labour MPs, but said it “condemned ... whining complaints from those MPs who apparently do not like being lobbied”.
Mr Murray said: “This unity between a mass campaigning movement and the leadership of the Labour Party clearly makes some uncomfortable. Their New Year’s resolution needs to be to get used to it.”
(Update: Since this article was first posted CWU has informed us that Steve Bell, who was originally referenced in the article, ceased to be an employee of the union in early 2015. We are happy to make this clear and have amended the article accordingly.) |
You call yourself a Liberal Democrat yet you post an article from that bastion of bullshit "The Torygraph"
That's amongst the top 10 of bullshit you have posted on here. You'll need to up your game to top this mate. |  |
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| Vanity on 14:42 - Jun 5 with 1158 views | perchrockjack |
Seems Gerry pretty pleased with himself
Straight question John..can Jeremy do no wrong and where has Diane Abbott be kept | |
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| Vanity on 14:47 - Jun 5 with 1145 views | BLAZE |
I stay out of politics generally. I have a simple (probably overly simple, no doubt naive) view that f*ck all changes, so I let the greedy c*nts get on with it, and I'll make do the best I can for me and those around me out of what's left.
With all that said... I like Corbyn. He seems different. A man with cast iron beliefs which is something I admire, even if I don't completely agree with those beliefs.
What's the odds on him winning? Serious question, I haven't a clue. Slim I'm guessing, but then look at the f*ckwit we have leading America.
I've never voted. I'm tempted to do so on this occasion. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 15:06]
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| Vanity on 14:47 - Jun 5 with 1142 views | Ebo |
| Vanity on 14:42 - Jun 5 by perchrockjack |
Seems Gerry pretty pleased with himself
Straight question John..can Jeremy do no wrong and where has Diane Abbott be kept |
If Corbyn wins I really think Abbott will figure in his plans for Home Secretary, new governments re-shuffle.
You are obsessed with Abbot though, almost as much as Herr Lohengrin and his lust for Gerry Adams pictures.. | |
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| Vanity on 14:49 - Jun 5 with 1140 views | perchrockjack |
You mention two great people there ,loh,fair play
I think our age is showing ,frankly, as corbyns past has clearly been doctored and airbrushed and .....
Where s Di and Macca
Brilliant campaigning though by labour | |
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| Vanity on 15:29 - Jun 5 with 1105 views | Ebo |
| Vanity on 14:46 - Jun 5 by Lohengrin |
Here's some homework for you, Ebo. Have a root around and see if you can find what 'far-right dickheads' like Seamus Mallon and Garret Fitzgerald had to say about your Jeremy's infatuation.
The British Army. The one your father, grandfather and great-grandfather would have served in?
By the way, I bought a copy of The Telegraph in the garage this morning on the way home from nights.  |
The Telegraph is very handy for when one runs out of toiket paper. That is the only use it serves quite frankly.
My grandfather served in WW2, always said it was hideous what was happening in ireland. Good catholic he was. | |
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| Vanity on 16:01 - Jun 5 with 1089 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Vanity on 14:47 - Jun 5 by BLAZE |
I stay out of politics generally. I have a simple (probably overly simple, no doubt naive) view that f*ck all changes, so I let the greedy c*nts get on with it, and I'll make do the best I can for me and those around me out of what's left.
With all that said... I like Corbyn. He seems different. A man with cast iron beliefs which is something I admire, even if I don't completely agree with those beliefs.
What's the odds on him winning? Serious question, I haven't a clue. Slim I'm guessing, but then look at the f*ckwit we have leading America.
I've never voted. I'm tempted to do so on this occasion. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 15:06]
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Refreshing post Blaze , nice to see.
Your words are enough on who to vote for .
Go for it ðŸ‘🻠|  |
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| Vanity on 17:41 - Jun 5 with 1060 views | Lord_Bony |
| Vanity on 14:17 - Jun 5 by perchrockjack |
I pm d meraki to explain myself to him and my rather arcane posts ,which the mods seem to delete now rather too often.
To date, nothing
Never seen one decent respectful exchange between a Corbynista and others outside their cabal
I fear for this country
It ll be fun for the warped though to watch
Friday s stock markets could be a sight to behold
If Corbyn is swatted away by Junckers and Merkel, he won't have the funds to promise the NHS or the three year student pisss up, which is a great way of collecting votes from shallow kids with no focus .
We need money for apprenticeships not university degrees in drama |
Why do you keep saying your posts are being deleted when they are not? Strange. |  |
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| Vanity on 17:43 - Jun 5 with 1050 views | Darran |
| Vanity on 17:41 - Jun 5 by Lord_Bony |
Why do you keep saying your posts are being deleted when they are not? Strange. |
Because he's a bit of a cuńt. |  |
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| Vanity on 17:56 - Jun 5 with 1036 views | Lord_Bony |
| Vanity on 17:43 - Jun 5 by Darran |
Because he's a bit of a cuńt. |
Aw bless..  | |
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| Vanity on 18:12 - Jun 5 with 1011 views | perchrockjack |
Because I have been unable to log in during contentious issues .
The screen is exactly the same as when one is banned
Strange indeed | |
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| Vanity on 18:12 - Jun 5 with 1011 views | Highjack |
| Vanity on 14:47 - Jun 5 by BLAZE |
I stay out of politics generally. I have a simple (probably overly simple, no doubt naive) view that f*ck all changes, so I let the greedy c*nts get on with it, and I'll make do the best I can for me and those around me out of what's left.
With all that said... I like Corbyn. He seems different. A man with cast iron beliefs which is something I admire, even if I don't completely agree with those beliefs.
What's the odds on him winning? Serious question, I haven't a clue. Slim I'm guessing, but then look at the f*ckwit we have leading America.
I've never voted. I'm tempted to do so on this occasion. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 15:06]
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The odds of corbyn "winning" I.e getting a majority are slim to none. In order to do that labour would probably have to win back most of Scotland. They'll probably do well in the big cities, London, Birmingham etc and get the donkey vote in Wales, but it's the north of England which has somewhat deserted labour in recent times and is very pro Brexit that they are struggling to hold.
The Tories will get the most seats but anything less than an increased majority for Teresa May and it will be seen as a defeat and she will probably have to resign. |  |
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| Vanity on 18:16 - Jun 5 with 1001 views | perchrockjack |
Looking at this site, reading social media It appears to be exactly the case he could get in or be part of a coalition.
Yep...Britain eh | |
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| Vanity on 20:43 - Jun 5 with 944 views | Lohengrin |
I've got enough timber in the shed for a big scaffold, Sherpa. Dont worry, there'll be room for her too. |  |
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| Vanity on 23:59 - Jun 5 with 900 views | Kerouac |
| Vanity on 14:34 - Jun 5 by Ebo |
You call yourself a Liberal Democrat yet you post an article from that bastion of bullshit "The Torygraph"
That's amongst the top 10 of bullshit you have posted on here. You'll need to up your game to top this mate. |
Regardless of who published, what are the inaccuracies in that article Ebo?
...and yes, I am a card carrying Liberal Democrat who has voted for them at least 5 times in General Elections.
I won't be voting for them this time around though.
It is possible to criticize the Lib Dems and Labour and not be a Tory you know. We are not born into and bound to vote Red/Blue/Yellow for the rest of our lives.
If you had bothered to read the article instead of dismissing it based on which paper published you would have noticed the following;
“Stop the War is not anti-war,” said James Bloodworth, the former editor of the Labour-supporting blog, Left Foot Forward.
“It is anti-West. It does not appear to object unduly to wars when it is the enemies of the West that are doing the killing.”
Corbyn and his acolytes are the kind of f*cking fruit loops that can force even life long Labour voters and activists to reconsider their options.
This is why they are reduced to attempting to buy the public's votes with free this and free that.
Very dangerous. | |
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| Vanity on 07:57 - Jun 6 with 852 views | sherpajacob |
| Vanity on 20:43 - Jun 5 by Lohengrin |
I've got enough timber in the shed for a big scaffold, Sherpa. Dont worry, there'll be room for her too. |
"Maria has worked very hard to support and help local people and was so grateful for the tremendous support and kindness of the local community during a very difficult time, in December 2008, when details of her past of almost 40 years ago became known."
The conservatives say , the passage of time, nearly 40 years ago- forgive and forget. |  |
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| Vanity on 08:16 - Jun 6 with 841 views | Lohengrin |
| Vanity on 07:57 - Jun 6 by sherpajacob |
"Maria has worked very hard to support and help local people and was so grateful for the tremendous support and kindness of the local community during a very difficult time, in December 2008, when details of her past of almost 40 years ago became known."
The conservatives say , the passage of time, nearly 40 years ago- forgive and forget. |
You're talking about a 'local' community to whom her past, her actions and comments, are meaningless, Sherp.
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/changing-face-croydon-s-population-revealed-2
Had she been a councillor in somewhere like Caterham or Camborne rather than Croydon she'd have resigned before she was sacked, upped sticks and moved. | |
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