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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:02 - Nov 21 with 587 viewstrampie



Liz view on Brexit.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:03 - Nov 21 with 580 viewstrampie



Liz and Nicola talking tactics.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:20 - Nov 21 with 567 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 15:56 - Nov 21 by Catullus

Money for nothing!! They've been getting pay rises while doing less work, we should claim a refund.
Meanwhile, in the real world, ordinary workers have been forced to do ever more work but not get a pay rise.


While we’re talking about pay.


EU officials are paid well – very well. The basic salary of the lowest pay grade is £2,294 a month, while a department head can expect to earn about £15,921 a month, and pay special "community taxes" ranging from 8% to 45% (with the highest tax bracket applying only on wages above £6,026 a month). They receive all manner of benefits, including generous allowances for their children's education, and very favourable pension arrangements.

The take-home pay of the Brussels-based commission’s staff is inflated by their special low tax rates, which mean they pay less than half the tax that a British worker on a similar salary would incur.

But in Brussels, even mid-ranking administrators can take home more cash than the Prime Minister. The leaked papers show that EU officials in the “AD 11” grade, a middle management group, have gross earnings of £112,090, including expatriation and household allowances. But because they pay just 13.4 per cent in tax, they take home £83,357 in net pay.
Those with children will earn substantially more with allowances totalling £7,000 per child each year, meaning many officials with families on lower grades will also earn more than our Prime minister.

More than 80 per cent of EU officials get a 16 per cent of salary top-up as a perk to compensate them for living in Brussels or Luxembourg for their entire working lives, as well as for household allowances. For an AD11 middle manager, the two allowances are worth more than £1,300 a month.
Officials employed before staff reforms in 2004 are also eligible for additional benefits, taking the number of EU civil servants better paid than the prime minister to more than 10,000!!!!
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The Countdown begins. on 20:37 - Nov 21 with 549 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 20:20 - Nov 21 by Jango

While we’re talking about pay.


EU officials are paid well – very well. The basic salary of the lowest pay grade is £2,294 a month, while a department head can expect to earn about £15,921 a month, and pay special "community taxes" ranging from 8% to 45% (with the highest tax bracket applying only on wages above £6,026 a month). They receive all manner of benefits, including generous allowances for their children's education, and very favourable pension arrangements.

The take-home pay of the Brussels-based commission’s staff is inflated by their special low tax rates, which mean they pay less than half the tax that a British worker on a similar salary would incur.

But in Brussels, even mid-ranking administrators can take home more cash than the Prime Minister. The leaked papers show that EU officials in the “AD 11” grade, a middle management group, have gross earnings of £112,090, including expatriation and household allowances. But because they pay just 13.4 per cent in tax, they take home £83,357 in net pay.
Those with children will earn substantially more with allowances totalling £7,000 per child each year, meaning many officials with families on lower grades will also earn more than our Prime minister.

More than 80 per cent of EU officials get a 16 per cent of salary top-up as a perk to compensate them for living in Brussels or Luxembourg for their entire working lives, as well as for household allowances. For an AD11 middle manager, the two allowances are worth more than £1,300 a month.
Officials employed before staff reforms in 2004 are also eligible for additional benefits, taking the number of EU civil servants better paid than the prime minister to more than 10,000!!!!


I'm not defending this, but you also have to factor in that our salaries tend to be substantially lower than many other western European countries. Viewed through a UK lens many professional salaries overseas seem considerably larger than ours.

It's a nice gravy train though, as are some of the civil service jobs in the UK. They've all got their snouts in the trough.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:43 - Nov 21 with 541 viewsBatterseajack

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The Countdown begins. on 20:45 - Nov 21 with 529 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 20:20 - Nov 21 by Jango

While we’re talking about pay.


EU officials are paid well – very well. The basic salary of the lowest pay grade is £2,294 a month, while a department head can expect to earn about £15,921 a month, and pay special "community taxes" ranging from 8% to 45% (with the highest tax bracket applying only on wages above £6,026 a month). They receive all manner of benefits, including generous allowances for their children's education, and very favourable pension arrangements.

The take-home pay of the Brussels-based commission’s staff is inflated by their special low tax rates, which mean they pay less than half the tax that a British worker on a similar salary would incur.

But in Brussels, even mid-ranking administrators can take home more cash than the Prime Minister. The leaked papers show that EU officials in the “AD 11” grade, a middle management group, have gross earnings of £112,090, including expatriation and household allowances. But because they pay just 13.4 per cent in tax, they take home £83,357 in net pay.
Those with children will earn substantially more with allowances totalling £7,000 per child each year, meaning many officials with families on lower grades will also earn more than our Prime minister.

More than 80 per cent of EU officials get a 16 per cent of salary top-up as a perk to compensate them for living in Brussels or Luxembourg for their entire working lives, as well as for household allowances. For an AD11 middle manager, the two allowances are worth more than £1,300 a month.
Officials employed before staff reforms in 2004 are also eligible for additional benefits, taking the number of EU civil servants better paid than the prime minister to more than 10,000!!!!


Pays more to kick a ball around a field
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The Countdown begins. on 20:47 - Nov 21 with 525 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 20:43 - Nov 21 by Batterseajack



Calling her as thick as mince would be an insult to mince. Maybe they can work on having some MEPs and some influence during the transition period after we crash out with no deal. They could travel via Dover - Calais: it won't be busy as everyone knows nothing else happens at those ports
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The Countdown begins. on 20:52 - Nov 21 with 514 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 20:43 - Nov 21 by Batterseajack



Sometimes, after seeing what these political non entities say, you'd almost think that the electorate actually know more about it than the politicians!!

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 21:19 - Nov 21 with 483 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 20:37 - Nov 21 by LeonWasGod

I'm not defending this, but you also have to factor in that our salaries tend to be substantially lower than many other western European countries. Viewed through a UK lens many professional salaries overseas seem considerably larger than ours.

It's a nice gravy train though, as are some of the civil service jobs in the UK. They've all got their snouts in the trough.


U.K. civil service pay doesn’t get anywhere near those figures Jango outlined for EU offficials (assuming they’re accurate). That “middle management” equivalent would pay about £30-£38k here, gross.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:37 - Nov 21 with 465 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 20:45 - Nov 21 by Batterseajack

Pays more to kick a ball around a field


Can’t say I’m surprised by that reply. Take those blinkers off for a second.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:52 - Nov 21 with 456 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 21:19 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

U.K. civil service pay doesn’t get anywhere near those figures Jango outlined for EU offficials (assuming they’re accurate). That “middle management” equivalent would pay about £30-£38k here, gross.


Says the guy with 3 castles...
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The Countdown begins. on 22:08 - Nov 21 with 448 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 20:20 - Nov 21 by Jango

While we’re talking about pay.


EU officials are paid well – very well. The basic salary of the lowest pay grade is £2,294 a month, while a department head can expect to earn about £15,921 a month, and pay special "community taxes" ranging from 8% to 45% (with the highest tax bracket applying only on wages above £6,026 a month). They receive all manner of benefits, including generous allowances for their children's education, and very favourable pension arrangements.

The take-home pay of the Brussels-based commission’s staff is inflated by their special low tax rates, which mean they pay less than half the tax that a British worker on a similar salary would incur.

But in Brussels, even mid-ranking administrators can take home more cash than the Prime Minister. The leaked papers show that EU officials in the “AD 11” grade, a middle management group, have gross earnings of £112,090, including expatriation and household allowances. But because they pay just 13.4 per cent in tax, they take home £83,357 in net pay.
Those with children will earn substantially more with allowances totalling £7,000 per child each year, meaning many officials with families on lower grades will also earn more than our Prime minister.

More than 80 per cent of EU officials get a 16 per cent of salary top-up as a perk to compensate them for living in Brussels or Luxembourg for their entire working lives, as well as for household allowances. For an AD11 middle manager, the two allowances are worth more than £1,300 a month.
Officials employed before staff reforms in 2004 are also eligible for additional benefits, taking the number of EU civil servants better paid than the prime minister to more than 10,000!!!!


These EU civil servants. Do they come from planet EU or are they made up of Brits, Germans, French, Spanish, Swedish, Dutch etc. nationals?

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The Countdown begins. on 23:16 - Nov 21 with 407 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 21:19 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

U.K. civil service pay doesn’t get anywhere near those figures Jango outlined for EU offficials (assuming they’re accurate). That “middle management” equivalent would pay about £30-£38k here, gross.


Yes it is gross, when you consider how little they do.

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The Countdown begins. on 06:52 - Nov 22 with 343 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 22:08 - Nov 21 by longlostjack

These EU civil servants. Do they come from planet EU or are they made up of Brits, Germans, French, Spanish, Swedish, Dutch etc. nationals?


Totally Irrelevant.

Staff in the EU institutions do not pay national income tax, but pay a “community tax” that goes directly back into the bloc’s budget.

MEPs average 17.4 per cent community tax and insurance payment. Britain levies a 40 per cent tax rate on salaries of £45,001-£150,000.

The EU Commission said that the rate was necessary to make sure their staff around the world were taxed the same.


It’s a blatant gravy train.
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The Countdown begins. on 08:12 - Nov 22 with 320 viewstrampie

The Countdown begins. on 21:19 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

U.K. civil service pay doesn’t get anywhere near those figures Jango outlined for EU offficials (assuming they’re accurate). That “middle management” equivalent would pay about £30-£38k here, gross.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322277/The-636-council-officials-earn-

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The Countdown begins. on 08:38 - Nov 22 with 307 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 09:16 - Nov 22 with 287 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 21:37 - Nov 21 by Jango

Can’t say I’m surprised by that reply. Take those blinkers off for a second.


Am i really the one with blinkers on?

Whats wrong with them being paid well? Politics of envy right there.

Fact of the matter is, they get paid less than private sector execs. They're job is stressful and hard, hours are long, often 7 days a week, in the public eye, often have to work abroad, family displacement and requires talented people.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:25 - Nov 22 with 280 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:16 - Nov 22 by Batterseajack

Am i really the one with blinkers on?

Whats wrong with them being paid well? Politics of envy right there.

Fact of the matter is, they get paid less than private sector execs. They're job is stressful and hard, hours are long, often 7 days a week, in the public eye, often have to work abroad, family displacement and requires talented people.


There’s more than 50000 of them. 100000 of which earn over £250k a year. We’re talking about civil servants here not the 750 MEPs you’re obviously talking about. You have no idea how hard they work or how many hours they work. Open your eyes ffs.

EU civil and other servants work 40 hours a week. They receive a minimum of 24 days of leave a year (maximum of 30), with additional leave entitlements on grounds of age, grade but no longer distance from home country (this is now a flat-rate 2.5 days for all)

Pensions are paid as a percentage of the final basic salary, with a ceiling of 70%, at an accrual rate of 1.8% per year of service
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The Countdown begins. on 09:30 - Nov 22 with 278 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 08:12 - Nov 22 by trampie

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322277/The-636-council-officials-earn-


I'd take any figures from a report written by the Tax Payers Alliance with a huge pinch of salt. They're a shady right wing pressure group who are very secretive about their source of funding.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:32 - Nov 22 with 275 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 09:25 - Nov 22 by Jango

There’s more than 50000 of them. 100000 of which earn over £250k a year. We’re talking about civil servants here not the 750 MEPs you’re obviously talking about. You have no idea how hard they work or how many hours they work. Open your eyes ffs.

EU civil and other servants work 40 hours a week. They receive a minimum of 24 days of leave a year (maximum of 30), with additional leave entitlements on grounds of age, grade but no longer distance from home country (this is now a flat-rate 2.5 days for all)

Pensions are paid as a percentage of the final basic salary, with a ceiling of 70%, at an accrual rate of 1.8% per year of service
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100,000 people on more than £250k?

Civil servants work very hard as well you know, and i bet a longer than the 40 hours a week.

You won't hear of a n important document not being ready because Pierre knocked off at 5:30

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The Countdown begins. on 09:40 - Nov 22 with 271 viewsBatterseajack

Can't see many salaries here over the 130K euro mark. Maybe Glassdoor is in on the conspiracy to hide the true salaries.

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salary/European-Commission-Brussels-Salaries-EI_IE14
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The Countdown begins. on 10:15 - Nov 22 with 257 viewstrampie


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The Countdown begins. on 10:18 - Nov 22 with 252 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 08:12 - Nov 22 by trampie

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322277/The-636-council-officials-earn-


That's not right either, you can't justify 'overly generous' EU wages by pointing out other people get ridiculously high wages. We should be working to bring all these obscene pay packets down and having the money spent on better things like schools and hospitals.

Comapring it to footballers is totally irrelevant and inane, many people think EPL players get obscene wages but their defenders always like to point out it's market forces and if they generate a high income they get richly rewarded. These politicians are only good at wasting money garnered from a captive audience. They get paid very well for doing a rubbish job then supporters go around saying "we need to pay good money to get the best people" and if (in very many cases) these are the best people then we are truly stuffed.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 11:18 - Nov 22 with 235 viewstrampie

The Countdown begins. on 10:18 - Nov 22 by Catullus

That's not right either, you can't justify 'overly generous' EU wages by pointing out other people get ridiculously high wages. We should be working to bring all these obscene pay packets down and having the money spent on better things like schools and hospitals.

Comapring it to footballers is totally irrelevant and inane, many people think EPL players get obscene wages but their defenders always like to point out it's market forces and if they generate a high income they get richly rewarded. These politicians are only good at wasting money garnered from a captive audience. They get paid very well for doing a rubbish job then supporters go around saying "we need to pay good money to get the best people" and if (in very many cases) these are the best people then we are truly stuffed.


LOL, I'm not justifying their wages I think its obscene, I think high earning UK civil servants pay should be massively cut, none of them pen pushing, meeting going, desk sitting UK top managers should earn more than the UK Prime Minister.

As regards the EU its nothing to do with us we are leaving.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:05 - Nov 22 with 210 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 21:19 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

U.K. civil service pay doesn’t get anywhere near those figures Jango outlined for EU offficials (assuming they’re accurate). That “middle management” equivalent would pay about £30-£38k here, gross.


As I said, "Viewed through a UK lens many professional salaries overseas seem considerably larger than ours."

Some civil service roles are minted, senior ones certainly can be.
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