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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1038504 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:05 - Sep 8 with 383 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:31 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

Well, if you can provide the evidence where BoJo or other senior members have come out and said "sod it, we're going for no deal"...


So yes, quite mad you are.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:06 - Sep 8 with 380 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:53 - Sep 8 by sherpajacob

Bookies are the,best pollsters.

They have hung parliament as odds on.

Any current poll that doesn't include don't knows in its results is meaningless.


I seem to remember you being the only one to predict a hung parliament in 2017 when pretty much everyone else was expecting a whopping Tory majority.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Sep 8 with 373 viewsbluey_the_blue

French Foreign minister allegedly said they would refuse an extension based upon current event, according to LBC>

Cant see that since Rebel Alliance communicating wth EU...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Sep 8 with 373 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:05 - Sep 8 by sherpajacob

With Johnson in the Franz von Papen role.


Innit.

The support from the pro Tommy / EDL / BNP / NF lot for Johnson is horrific. Should be horrific for any right minded Tory. People with Nazi and other far right symbols on flags and arms chanting for Boris Johnson. Conservative party being told they’ll get the funding they’re desperate for from Banks (read Putin) but only if they have an alliance with Farage.

But sovereignty...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Sep 8 with 373 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:58 - Sep 8 by londonlisa2001

The bookies are taking a Tory / Brexit alliance as a given


This is why I hate the idea of a GE as a surrogate referendum. We’ll end up with a limited pool of engineered candidates in each constituency. Chances are many people won’t be able to vote for a party who’s policies they support.

It’s wrong, imo, when there’s plenty of other things that the new government will need to be getting on with in addition to not resolving Brexit.

And I’m talking about leave and remain alliances. They all steal a bit of ‘democracy’ from us and devalue the system.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:14 - Sep 8 with 365 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Sep 8 by londonlisa2001

Innit.

The support from the pro Tommy / EDL / BNP / NF lot for Johnson is horrific. Should be horrific for any right minded Tory. People with Nazi and other far right symbols on flags and arms chanting for Boris Johnson. Conservative party being told they’ll get the funding they’re desperate for from Banks (read Putin) but only if they have an alliance with Farage.

But sovereignty...


And will of the people/democracy

How many of you know what DP stands for?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:16 - Sep 8 with 358 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

French Foreign minister allegedly said they would refuse an extension based upon current event, according to LBC>

Cant see that since Rebel Alliance communicating wth EU...


Of course the French are saying that. They have every time.

Ah well. If they do, the opposition have the numbers to decide between no deal, May’s deal and revoke. Johnson can’t do anything about it. Do you feel lucky Bluey?

Btw - you know the rebel alliance were the good guys don’t you? Strikes me as a particularly odd attempted slight.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:19 - Sep 8 with 354 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:16 - Sep 8 by londonlisa2001

Of course the French are saying that. They have every time.

Ah well. If they do, the opposition have the numbers to decide between no deal, May’s deal and revoke. Johnson can’t do anything about it. Do you feel lucky Bluey?

Btw - you know the rebel alliance were the good guys don’t you? Strikes me as a particularly odd attempted slight.


Bluey was probably rooting for Vader, just to be contrary.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:34 - Sep 8 with 338 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:16 - Sep 8 by londonlisa2001

Of course the French are saying that. They have every time.

Ah well. If they do, the opposition have the numbers to decide between no deal, May’s deal and revoke. Johnson can’t do anything about it. Do you feel lucky Bluey?

Btw - you know the rebel alliance were the good guys don’t you? Strikes me as a particularly odd attempted slight.


French capitulate anyway...

Not sure what the opposition can do anyway. No extension = no deal possible, May's or otherwise.

Rebel Alliance is the phrase that's out there at the moment. They weren't the good guys anyway, bunch of commie terrorists seeking to undermine free trade...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:42 - Sep 8 with 325 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:06 - Sep 8 by exiledclaseboy

I seem to remember you being the only one to predict a hung parliament in 2017 when pretty much everyone else was expecting a whopping Tory majority.


Ahem

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:45 - Sep 8 with 321 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:34 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

French capitulate anyway...

Not sure what the opposition can do anyway. No extension = no deal possible, May's or otherwise.

Rebel Alliance is the phrase that's out there at the moment. They weren't the good guys anyway, bunch of commie terrorists seeking to undermine free trade...


You’ve spent all morning saying Johnson is trying to get a deal and will leave on October 31st. Make up your mind.

What do you mean you don’t know what the opposition can do, they hold every single card.

If it comes to a straight choice between no deal or revoke, how do you think it will go?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:50 - Sep 8 with 298 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

French Foreign minister allegedly said they would refuse an extension based upon current event, according to LBC>

Cant see that since Rebel Alliance communicating wth EU...


So parliament would vote for either very soft brexit of EEA, EFTA membership ( the option Farage championed pre referendum) or revoke.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:57 - Sep 8 with 288 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:19 - Sep 8 by exiledclaseboy

Bluey was probably rooting for Vader, just to be contrary.


Vader was the one tho destroyed the galactic empire so we should be rooting for him. Quite honestly I find your lack of faith disturbing.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:04 - Sep 8 with 277 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:58 - Sep 8 by londonlisa2001

The bookies are taking a Tory / Brexit alliance as a given


I can see such a pact losing the Tories many many votes amongst moderate educated people in the shires and suburbs who voted for Cameron and May.

It would avoid splitting the Tory vote in seats they already hold, but they need to gain seats to win a,majority and I cannot see Brexit party winning seats in labour heartlands in any numbers.

Would the conservative associations in Neath, Port Talbot and swansea east genuinely stand aside to allow a swivel eyed loon like Nathan Gill or Ms Rees Mogg to stand on their behalf.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:07 - Sep 8 with 280 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:45 - Sep 8 by londonlisa2001

You’ve spent all morning saying Johnson is trying to get a deal and will leave on October 31st. Make up your mind.

What do you mean you don’t know what the opposition can do, they hold every single card.

If it comes to a straight choice between no deal or revoke, how do you think it will go?


Things change from day to day.

Everything else aside, I think there's a deal that could be made with goodwill on all sides. Events since the referendum though make that highly unlikely.

In the hypothetical scenario of that straight choice - presumably by Parliament - I suspect that Remain would have a slight majority so it would be revoked. The aftermath of that though...

What I suspect is more likely is that an extension will happen with a GE shortly afterwards. That GE, imo, has the capability of delivering a more decisive Parliament due to the greater delineation between the parties. Gut feeling, Tory majority with far less Tory Remainers in Parliament.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:08 - Sep 8 with 273 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:07 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

Things change from day to day.

Everything else aside, I think there's a deal that could be made with goodwill on all sides. Events since the referendum though make that highly unlikely.

In the hypothetical scenario of that straight choice - presumably by Parliament - I suspect that Remain would have a slight majority so it would be revoked. The aftermath of that though...

What I suspect is more likely is that an extension will happen with a GE shortly afterwards. That GE, imo, has the capability of delivering a more decisive Parliament due to the greater delineation between the parties. Gut feeling, Tory majority with far less Tory Remainers in Parliament.


“I think there's a deal that could be made with goodwill on all sides.”

What deal would you like to see?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:11 - Sep 8 with 269 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:19 - Sep 8 by exiledclaseboy

Bluey was probably rooting for Vader, just to be contrary.


Vader? Vader?

A mere pawn, Corbyn to Milne's Palpatine.

"Ooooh look at us, we're rebels, we've got good on our side because we're really like good and stuff. Oh, and Jar Jar fvcking Binks"

Nauseating.

Only won in New Hope due to civil bloody servants signing off crap plans, ignoring the glaring flaw in the Death Star. Probably hoping Empire Accounts Committee wouldn't scrutinise the spending plans closely.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:15 - Sep 8 with 259 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:08 - Sep 8 by exiledclaseboy

“I think there's a deal that could be made with goodwill on all sides.”

What deal would you like to see?


At the moment, any bloody deal just to get it over with!

For Brexit to be a success, Britain needs to be flexible in how it conducts trade, sectors it chooses to invest resources in etc. Working alongside EU but not bound to EU is the way to go imo.

It's a difficult one, no doubt about it.

The problem is, it's what deals can realistically be made rather than idealistically wanted. That's what's been ballsed up over the last few years.

I just think it needs to be concluded one way or the other as soon as possible. We shouldn't be scared of leaving under WTO rules if that's what happens.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:18 - Sep 8 with 247 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:15 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

At the moment, any bloody deal just to get it over with!

For Brexit to be a success, Britain needs to be flexible in how it conducts trade, sectors it chooses to invest resources in etc. Working alongside EU but not bound to EU is the way to go imo.

It's a difficult one, no doubt about it.

The problem is, it's what deals can realistically be made rather than idealistically wanted. That's what's been ballsed up over the last few years.

I just think it needs to be concluded one way or the other as soon as possible. We shouldn't be scared of leaving under WTO rules if that's what happens.


May's deal ok with you then?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:18 - Sep 8 with 250 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:15 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

At the moment, any bloody deal just to get it over with!

For Brexit to be a success, Britain needs to be flexible in how it conducts trade, sectors it chooses to invest resources in etc. Working alongside EU but not bound to EU is the way to go imo.

It's a difficult one, no doubt about it.

The problem is, it's what deals can realistically be made rather than idealistically wanted. That's what's been ballsed up over the last few years.

I just think it needs to be concluded one way or the other as soon as possible. We shouldn't be scared of leaving under WTO rules if that's what happens.


So you don’t know then. Figures.

How about a deal that sees the UK leave the single market, the customs union and the jurisdiction of the ECJ, ends the primacy of EU law and at the end of the implementation period allows us to negotiate our own trade deals at will?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:27 - Sep 8 with 233 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:18 - Sep 8 by exiledclaseboy

So you don’t know then. Figures.

How about a deal that sees the UK leave the single market, the customs union and the jurisdiction of the ECJ, ends the primacy of EU law and at the end of the implementation period allows us to negotiate our own trade deals at will?


No, I don't agree with May's deal.

Accepting any law passed within implementation period could well be detrimental to UK in that period. IT'S A TRAP!

We're also bound to trade deals as in, cannot sign own, during that period. I'd rather a solution where we can agree external deals and "phase out" over time.

Backstop, nope, completely disagree - maybe if it was time bounded but s it stands, once in, can only leave with EU's permission...

It's a bad deal as everyone knows which is also legally binding. EU can waffle about adding caveats in the political declaration but non legally binding, so meh.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:31 - Sep 8 with 227 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:27 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

No, I don't agree with May's deal.

Accepting any law passed within implementation period could well be detrimental to UK in that period. IT'S A TRAP!

We're also bound to trade deals as in, cannot sign own, during that period. I'd rather a solution where we can agree external deals and "phase out" over time.

Backstop, nope, completely disagree - maybe if it was time bounded but s it stands, once in, can only leave with EU's permission...

It's a bad deal as everyone knows which is also legally binding. EU can waffle about adding caveats in the political declaration but non legally binding, so meh.


But you said any deal just to get it done. Make up your mind.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:35 - Sep 8 with 224 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:31 - Sep 8 by exiledclaseboy

But you said any deal just to get it done. Make up your mind.


The exclamation mark was there for effect.

End of the day, whatever deal is decided isn't going to be decided by you or I. It'll be what gets through parliament.

I disagree with quite a few things in the WA deal and given the voting, so too do parliament. It's a non-starter, it'll never get through parliament.

It's deader than Warnock's eyebrows. Why spend time on it?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:35 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

The exclamation mark was there for effect.

End of the day, whatever deal is decided isn't going to be decided by you or I. It'll be what gets through parliament.

I disagree with quite a few things in the WA deal and given the voting, so too do parliament. It's a non-starter, it'll never get through parliament.

It's deader than Warnock's eyebrows. Why spend time on it?


Ask Johnson. He’s the one claiming it’ll pass with a tweak to the backstop.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:54 - Sep 8 with 202 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:35 - Sep 8 by bluey_the_blue

The exclamation mark was there for effect.

End of the day, whatever deal is decided isn't going to be decided by you or I. It'll be what gets through parliament.

I disagree with quite a few things in the WA deal and given the voting, so too do parliament. It's a non-starter, it'll never get through parliament.

It's deader than Warnock's eyebrows. Why spend time on it?


So you've ruled out May's deal, but you want a deal to get it over with.

Is full SM and CU membership via EEA and EFTA acceptable?

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