| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. 12:42 - Dec 28 with 7075 views | Swanseaman |
When Bony and Sanches were appointed I really thought they were going to do great here and we were in for a good season, I didn't look at what was wrong about them because I was so convinced they would get to form, do really well and we would be OK.
So although I'm glad we have got a manger in place and now have a chance of seeing improvements, I'm not completely optimistic (will get my 100% support though).
The good: He is very experienced, plus he has a record of doing well when starting off with a new club. He looks as if he could be a no messing, possibly hot headed type of manager (which could be good or bad). He has very strong Celtic roots with Portuguese people being very closely linked to the Welsh, so may really feel at home here and thrive. The Celtic bond could also see the fans accept him quickly as one of their own: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/celtic-roots-lie-spain-portugal-217
He's also had plenty of successful times with clubs and when the going is good has shown that he can motivate teams to play at their best. He may have good links for bringing in some quality players and he may be able to get some from Sheffield Wed (not sure if any are good enough for us though).
The Swans have had 15 managers in 12 years, Carlos has managed 16 clubs in 18 years, so this could be a good match for us :)
The bad: He's only just been released from Sheffield and his confidence must have been at a low, the stress and pressure he would have been under must have taken it's toll on him (although he might be very thick skinned and didn't affect him much). Managers usually do better, if they have had at least a few months away from managing in order to recharge, fully recover and get their spark back, before taking a new job. It may be far to soon to put him in at the deep end with a Premier side struggling at the bottom of league. He may not enjoy being a yes man and fall out with Huw quickly which could ruin any chance we have. He's never managed a Premier club before, so just like the Bony and Sanches risk signings, this is similar. We have no evidence to show us how he may do. Some fans could view it as Jenkins making more and more risky decisions, there were other managers with proven Premier experience who may have been a safer bet, so this could be seen as more of a gamble..
For me. I'm remaining on the fence. I'm going to give my full support but not going to be too optimistic like I was with Bony and Sanches
I'm sure there are more good and bad I haven't thought of???
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 15:01 - Dec 28 with 1817 views | Swanseaman |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 14:30 - Dec 28 by whoflungdung |
ive spent some time on Portugal
The inhabitants have often very dark features whereas the Welsh are anything but .
Portuguese is also a romansch language more akin to Russian ,French ,Spanish .
Welsh is different.
If Carlos saves us ,I really won't be that arsed .
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The Basque have the most similar Celt DNA % compared to the Welsh, but the Celtic DNA has become mixed throughout all of Portugal, similar to it is also mixed throughout England. There is even Celtic DNA found in the Icelandic people (come from Scotland and Ireland). Portugal has more Celtic DNA % than English and Icelandic people.
Check out the map below... Portugal looks a more similar % to the Welsh borders (not quite as much) where the DNA has mixed stronger.. oh, and Carlos looks very similar to a mate I know ;)
Distribution of Celtic paternal lineages in Europe
This map represents the paternal lineages associated with the spread of Proto-Italo-Celtic people from Central to Western Europe in the Bronze Age, starting circa 4,500 years ago. Their lineages are R1b-S116, in other words most of the European R1b minus the Greco-Etruscan R1b-L23, the Germanic R1b-U106 and R1b-L238, and the Proto-Celto-Germanic L11, L51 and L150. S116 includes subclades associated with non-IE languages such as Basque, and the ancient Gascon and Iberian languages. Since it is unclear exactly when and where Celtic languages developed and whether some Proto-Celtic speakers might have adopted indigenous languages in the land they settled (especially in Gascony and Mediterranean Iberia), all lineages were included for the purpose of this map, giving priority to Y-DNA over languages.
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 15:12 - Dec 28 with 1794 views | Swanseaman |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 14:55 - Dec 28 by phact0rri |
That article speaks nothing of DNA tests between the two peoples, and I doubt they've even tried to analyze DNA markers between the welsh and the portguese so who knows. What the article refers to is simular tools and art found in both regions, along with the idea that celtic language roots were spoken there in the muddled past.
And where that is fascinating and I'd love to read more about these findings, its not a clear cut photograph by any means. And where the cultures could have had a simular ancestor this is 500 years according to the study. And there's a lot that could have happened. Interesting to say the least. But without actual biological studies its hard to claim the "DNA simularities"
We can say that similarities are found between the britanic peoples (and the Atlantic fork, which I think complicates matters instead of justifies them in my eyes... but alas this isn't an anthropology forum. [Post edited 28 Dec 2017 14:55]
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The DNA of people is a mixture, In Iceland they have a small percentage of Celt thought to have come from the Viking slaves they got from Ireland and Scotland...
In Portugal you may find one person with hardly any percentage of Celt, then another with a very high percentage.. | |
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 15:13 - Dec 28 with 1790 views | whoflungdung |
Thanks for that .
Interesting
Times change, people move and really we re all mongrels at heart |  |
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 15:19 - Dec 28 with 1772 views | Swanseaman |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 15:13 - Dec 28 by whoflungdung |
Thanks for that .
Interesting
Times change, people move and really we re all mongrels at heart |
That's what they say, there will come a time when we will all be very similarly mixed DNA.. | |
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 17:47 - Dec 28 with 1670 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 15:01 - Dec 28 by Swanseaman |
The Basque have the most similar Celt DNA % compared to the Welsh, but the Celtic DNA has become mixed throughout all of Portugal, similar to it is also mixed throughout England. There is even Celtic DNA found in the Icelandic people (come from Scotland and Ireland). Portugal has more Celtic DNA % than English and Icelandic people.
Check out the map below... Portugal looks a more similar % to the Welsh borders (not quite as much) where the DNA has mixed stronger.. oh, and Carlos looks very similar to a mate I know ;)
Distribution of Celtic paternal lineages in Europe
This map represents the paternal lineages associated with the spread of Proto-Italo-Celtic people from Central to Western Europe in the Bronze Age, starting circa 4,500 years ago. Their lineages are R1b-S116, in other words most of the European R1b minus the Greco-Etruscan R1b-L23, the Germanic R1b-U106 and R1b-L238, and the Proto-Celto-Germanic L11, L51 and L150. S116 includes subclades associated with non-IE languages such as Basque, and the ancient Gascon and Iberian languages. Since it is unclear exactly when and where Celtic languages developed and whether some Proto-Celtic speakers might have adopted indigenous languages in the land they settled (especially in Gascony and Mediterranean Iberia), all lineages were included for the purpose of this map, giving priority to Y-DNA over languages.
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Where did you study your genetics? The university of pobl y cwm?
It's widely accepted the the Welsh were Ancient Britons and nothing at all to do with any supposed "Celtic race". That term is a myth , there may be a common Celtic culture the Irish and Scots may or may not be a part of bit no Celtic race existed. |  |
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 17:53 - Dec 28 with 1660 views | swan65split |
The new Manager (there we are cant spell it let alone say it ) dont know a lot about him, so will judge him on what he does here, its that is what matters ................so from now on its come on you Jack Bathplugs
or something something Barmy army |  | | |
| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 17:54 - Dec 28 with 1650 views | Fireboy2 |
| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 13:38 - Dec 28 by londonlisa2001 |
Roy plays golf at Coombe Hill with a family member and was asked directly. That was his answer.
As usual, you spend your entire time criticising for the sake of it while offering no solutions.
You should be spending time worrying how you dropped 4 points in two games against Leicester and Burnley troll boy. |
Brilliant
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| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 18:08 - Dec 28 with 1613 views | Glyn1 |
| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 13:02 - Dec 28 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
My argument isn't about who we could have appointed today. It is about who we should have appointed a month, even 2 months ago.
Palace acted and appointed Hodgson. I was ridiculed for praising that decision and he's done an excellent job.
Allardyce was available for a while and would have absolutely come down here for 6 months if promised £5m or so if he kept us up.
Pardew kept a woeful Palace team up from a similar position and is doing ok at West Brom.
We left it late and are left with rubbish like this gentleman who couldn't get his team out of the league we'll be looking to get out of next season, let alone keep a team up in the Premier League. |
"Pardew is doing OK at West Brom" ...?
Played 5. Won 0. Drawn 2. Lost 3. Scored 2. Conceded 6.
What would you be saying right now on their forums if you had been a West Brom fan?
We've never ever appointed a manager with Premier League experience because at our level we seem to want managers and players who have a point to prove. Experience of managing in the Championship isn't to be dismissed so easily. [Post edited 28 Dec 2017 18:15]
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 18:15 - Dec 28 with 1599 views | Fireboy2 |
Carlos has said that he hasnt discussed money for january signings with big nose but has confirmed that any players coming in will be his choices
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 19:00 - Dec 28 with 1544 views | Private_Partz |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 18:15 - Dec 28 by Fireboy2 |
Carlos has said that he hasnt discussed money for january signings with big nose but has confirmed that any players coming in will be his choices
Seeing is believing |
That is a bit of a worry.
Once prospective managers hear there is no money, and they won't be deciding who comes in, they tend to walk away.
This could be another Corky Senior's mate scenario (forgotten the blokes name... lost in the sands of time). |  |
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 19:03 - Dec 28 with 1536 views | Headmaster |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 19:00 - Dec 28 by Private_Partz |
That is a bit of a worry.
Once prospective managers hear there is no money, and they won't be deciding who comes in, they tend to walk away.
This could be another Corky Senior's mate scenario (forgotten the blokes name... lost in the sands of time). |
He says he wants to give our current players the chance to prove themselves. As if they haven't had 20 games already to do that. |  | | |
| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 19:09 - Dec 28 with 1527 views | builthjack |
| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 13:38 - Dec 28 by londonlisa2001 |
Roy plays golf at Coombe Hill with a family member and was asked directly. That was his answer.
As usual, you spend your entire time criticising for the sake of it while offering no solutions.
You should be spending time worrying how you dropped 4 points in two games against Leicester and Burnley troll boy. |
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 20:00 - Dec 28 with 1494 views | phact0rri |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 15:12 - Dec 28 by Swanseaman |
The DNA of people is a mixture, In Iceland they have a small percentage of Celt thought to have come from the Viking slaves they got from Ireland and Scotland...
In Portugal you may find one person with hardly any percentage of Celt, then another with a very high percentage.. |
You tend to identify certain markers in DNA and then test variants. Its not so much about sampling a bunch of citizens. its looking at hundreds of stable genetics of a certain region and find which DNA markers they share then testing that against common markers.
So the 50% celtic/germanic markers probably would be lost to the group study. |  |
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 22:20 - Dec 28 with 1393 views | Oldjack |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 18:15 - Dec 28 by Fireboy2 |
Carlos has said that he hasnt discussed money for january signings with big nose but has confirmed that any players coming in will be his choices
Seeing is believing |
you do know he spunked away 50 mill at Wednesday |  |
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You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!
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| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 22:46 - Dec 28 with 1370 views | STID2017 |
| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 12:45 - Dec 28 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
"He's only just been released from Sheffield and his confidence must have been at a low"
Low confidence wont be an issue. He's just been handed a job he has not earned, has not proven he is capable of doing effectively and will never get again. He'll be absolutely over the moon. This will set him up nicely for 6 months before taking another job elsewhere after the World Cup. |
As you say unproven at this level.
As were Tosh as a manager at all, Martinez same, and Brendan Rodgers was unproven at PL level.
Think those three did okay.
Also don't think Alex Ferguson had managed in the First Division before he took over Man Utd.
Probably hundreds of examples in World football, where experience isn't necesarily everything [Post edited 28 Dec 2017 23:05]
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 22:50 - Dec 28 with 1355 views | STID2017 |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 19:00 - Dec 28 by Private_Partz |
That is a bit of a worry.
Once prospective managers hear there is no money, and they won't be deciding who comes in, they tend to walk away.
This could be another Corky Senior's mate scenario (forgotten the blokes name... lost in the sands of time). |
He's no mickey Adams and the hierarchy will know they have to spend to survive.
Otherwise they may as well have left Clement there | |
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| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 22:59 - Dec 28 with 1338 views | STID2017 |
| Carlos Carvalhal, the good and the bad.. on 12:58 - Dec 28 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
" A long shot to stay up; give it a go"
Hundreds of jobs are on the line, as well as tens of millions which flow into the local economy, but sure, let's give it a go, appoint a nobody to have a crack at the long shot, instead of someone proven of surviving from a similar position.
We shouldn't be justifying this decision. Allardyce was available not long ago. So was Pardew. Two men who have kept just as poor squads up. This is what we get for acting so late. |
Not so long ago, posters were shot down in flames for suggesting names such as Poyet, Moyes, Pulis, Allerdyce, Pardew, whilst if anyone had suggested Hodgson I dread to think what reaction they would have got.
Now all those guys are seen as saviours.
If the team has sunk so low as we regard those guys as our last hope, then that is pitiful.
Personally, I'd rather see some fresh blood like Carvalhal given a chance to prove himself, as PC did last season.
Best of luck to him. | |
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| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 00:18 - Dec 29 with 1274 views | TNT |
| Carlos Carvalhal - the good, the bad.. on 19:03 - Dec 28 by Headmaster |
He says he wants to give our current players the chance to prove themselves. As if they haven't had 20 games already to do that. |
Too many players have had reprieve after reprieve, which happens when new managers keep coming in. So that, once more, is a worry. Jenkins knows who they are, but he's sleepwalking to relegation. He's the only one that can affect this in January, and get the yanks to pull out all the stops, while there's still a slim chance. He's already minted, and I know we've been shafted already, but If he's been a Swans fan all his life, surely he won't want us relegated. You've got January to sort it pal. | |
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