| Well done to all the remoaners 20:30 - Dec 17 with 4124 views | Trump73 |
Who are responsible for the huge Conservative election win.
If you had respected the referendum result, I’m sure the Conservatives wouldn’t have had such a huge triumph.
So once again well done ðŸ‘
Let’s get ‘BREXIT DONE’ ✅ |  | | |  |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 14:28 - Dec 18 with 1044 views | Ebo |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 13:17 - Dec 18 by AlfieMooresSon |
Agreed they did, and he is a Euro sceptic, he should have at least said that he felt he would have preferred to leave, not said he was neutral anyway, it's a red Hering they lost partly because they ignored the referendum completely, but mostly because people didn't trust Corbyn and Old McDonell and they knew their manifesto was a wish list written up on the back of a fag packet in the pub, and completely unaffordable! |
"didn't trust Corbyn and Old McDonell" after reading the bilge the Mail and the rest of Murdoch's empire spewed out. Notice they didn't run with anything about the Cons literature being 88% misleading? or Boris's antics and no-shows?
If you have Murcdoch in your back pocket you can win anything. |  |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 14:43 - Dec 18 with 1027 views | WarwickHunt |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 11:33 - Dec 18 by Ebo |
As I keep saying over and over. Centrists forced him to go for a second ref. Now those same centrists are blaming him. |
If he hadn’t hidden during the referendum campaign and instead explained why leaving the EU would be a clusterfûck for the working class it may have stopped the insane enthusiasm to ‘get Brexit done”.
The centrists are blaming him for being unelectable and incompetent, not for his equivocation on Brexit. |  | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 14:52 - Dec 18 with 1013 views | Lohengrin |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 14:28 - Dec 18 by Ebo |
"didn't trust Corbyn and Old McDonell" after reading the bilge the Mail and the rest of Murdoch's empire spewed out. Notice they didn't run with anything about the Cons literature being 88% misleading? or Boris's antics and no-shows?
If you have Murcdoch in your back pocket you can win anything. |
Ebo, mun, you’re missing something about the Corbyn project you really do need to be hip to. Here, let Paul Mason spell it out for you in an article from The Independent:
”...the actual membership of Labour, and its core vote, is drawn from the educated, salaried, cosmopolitan and pro-global modern workforce of big conurbations.”
Not only did the Trots not represent you - they DIDN’T WANT TO REPRESENT YOU. You, those you love and socialise with are just a hindrance to their vision of progress not a source of inspiration. |  |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 14:53 - Dec 18 with 1005 views | Trump73 |
All this it’s Corbyn who is to blame is absolute nonsense.
2017 he had a very good election with labour. That was when the Labour Party had said in its manifesto that they would respect the Brexit result. Fast forward to 2019 general election where they intended to betray the result of the referendum and the end result for labour- they get absolutely smashed. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 14:56]
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 15:13 - Dec 18 with 973 views | WarwickHunt |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 14:53 - Dec 18 by Trump73 |
All this it’s Corbyn who is to blame is absolute nonsense.
2017 he had a very good election with labour. That was when the Labour Party had said in its manifesto that they would respect the Brexit result. Fast forward to 2019 general election where they intended to betray the result of the referendum and the end result for labour- they get absolutely smashed. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 14:56]
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Here you go, dullard...
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corby | | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 15:47 - Dec 18 with 940 views | Highjack |
“And among those who did vote for Labour in 2017 but did not in 2019 it was broadly the same story, with 37% citing Mr Corbyn, while only 21% said it was over their stance on Brexit.”
What were the reasons of the other 42% out of interest?
This poll suggests that 63% that abandoned labour didn’t do it because of Corbyn. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 15:51]
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:12 - Dec 18 with 918 views | Trump73 |
Absolute nonsense, doesn’t surprise me coming from you.
Brexit betrayal was the main reason why labour failed, but if you get some crumbs of comfort you carry on believing that cr@p.
Anyway Brexit will soon be delivered......🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 | | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:32 - Dec 18 with 889 views | WarwickHunt |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:12 - Dec 18 by Trump73 |
Absolute nonsense, doesn’t surprise me coming from you.
Brexit betrayal was the main reason why labour failed, but if you get some crumbs of comfort you carry on believing that cr@p.
Anyway Brexit will soon be delivered......🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 |
Still as thick as mince...😂 | | | |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:48 - Dec 18 with 876 views | WarwickHunt |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 15:47 - Dec 18 by Highjack |
“And among those who did vote for Labour in 2017 but did not in 2019 it was broadly the same story, with 37% citing Mr Corbyn, while only 21% said it was over their stance on Brexit.”
What were the reasons of the other 42% out of interest?
This poll suggests that 63% that abandoned labour didn’t do it because of Corbyn. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 15:51]
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Mostly Corbynite policies, economics, trust, defence, anti-Semitism...
So Corbyn, basically. | | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:53 - Dec 18 with 870 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:12 - Dec 18 by Trump73 |
Absolute nonsense, doesn’t surprise me coming from you.
Brexit betrayal was the main reason why labour failed, but if you get some crumbs of comfort you carry on believing that cr@p.
Anyway Brexit will soon be delivered......🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 |
More remainers left Labour than leavers. | | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:59 - Dec 18 with 859 views | WarwickHunt |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:53 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001 |
More remainers left Labour than leavers. |
Yep. DGT’s a bit twp in case you hadn’t noticed... | | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:06 - Dec 18 with 810 views | Highjack |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:48 - Dec 18 by WarwickHunt |
Mostly Corbynite policies, economics, trust, defence, anti-Semitism...
So Corbyn, basically. |
So that should be included in the Corbyn category.
It’s not a very thorough poll is it? | |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:11 - Dec 18 with 802 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:06 - Dec 18 by Highjack |
So that should be included in the Corbyn category.
It’s not a very thorough poll is it? |
The poll is incredibly thorough.
The summary of it just, you know, summarises it.
And there’s a difference between people saying ‘Corbyn as leader’ and saying ‘economic pledges’. Which is why they’re separated out. | | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:15 - Dec 18 with 799 views | Trump73 |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 16:53 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001 |
More remainers left Labour than leavers. |
Nonsense. Anyway that’s history now.
The future is Brexit 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 | | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:46 - Dec 18 with 775 views | WarwickHunt |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:06 - Dec 18 by Highjack |
So that should be included in the Corbyn category.
It’s not a very thorough poll is it? |
That tinfoil hat is on too tight.., | | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:53 - Dec 18 with 765 views | Highjack |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:11 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001 |
The poll is incredibly thorough.
The summary of it just, you know, summarises it.
And there’s a difference between people saying ‘Corbyn as leader’ and saying ‘economic pledges’. Which is why they’re separated out. |
The reasons they didn’t vote labour according to the link posted is leadership 37% and brexit 21%. It’s a valid question to ask what the other 42% was because the link doesn’t make it clear. | |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:59 - Dec 18 with 757 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:53 - Dec 18 by Highjack |
The reasons they didn’t vote labour according to the link posted is leadership 37% and brexit 21%. It’s a valid question to ask what the other 42% was because the link doesn’t make it clear. |
The reasons the ex Labour voters voted that way. The general result was 43% leadership, 17% brexit and 12% economic policies.
The remaining percentage (of both groupings) will be lots of different stuff each of which doesn’t begin to register anywhere near as highly. So anti semitism will be one. Defence will be one (the whole Trident - will you push a button nonsense) etc etc.
The reason Labour leadership and momentum are keen to emphasise brexit as an excuse is that the policy was decided by conference not by the leadership. So they can point to centrists and say - it’s your fault. The polls show they’re wrong. The Ashcroft poll and report is very detailed. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 20:01]
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 21:08 - Dec 18 with 701 views | longlostjack |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:59 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001 |
The reasons the ex Labour voters voted that way. The general result was 43% leadership, 17% brexit and 12% economic policies.
The remaining percentage (of both groupings) will be lots of different stuff each of which doesn’t begin to register anywhere near as highly. So anti semitism will be one. Defence will be one (the whole Trident - will you push a button nonsense) etc etc.
The reason Labour leadership and momentum are keen to emphasise brexit as an excuse is that the policy was decided by conference not by the leadership. So they can point to centrists and say - it’s your fault. The polls show they’re wrong. The Ashcroft poll and report is very detailed. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 20:01]
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Corbyn was obviously a problem. Starmer with Rayner or Rayner with Starmer would be a good choice. Blair can do one. |  |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 21:44 - Dec 18 with 673 views | monmouth |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:15 - Dec 18 by Trump73 |
Nonsense. Anyway that’s history now.
The future is Brexit 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 |
Fair play DGT; in the Thick Prick Grand National, you'd need a hell of a heavyweight handicap. |  |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 23:45 - Dec 18 with 622 views | Highjack |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:59 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001 |
The reasons the ex Labour voters voted that way. The general result was 43% leadership, 17% brexit and 12% economic policies.
The remaining percentage (of both groupings) will be lots of different stuff each of which doesn’t begin to register anywhere near as highly. So anti semitism will be one. Defence will be one (the whole Trident - will you push a button nonsense) etc etc.
The reason Labour leadership and momentum are keen to emphasise brexit as an excuse is that the policy was decided by conference not by the leadership. So they can point to centrists and say - it’s your fault. The polls show they’re wrong. The Ashcroft poll and report is very detailed. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 20:01]
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Yes so surely the “Corbyn” option should be a lot higher? The percentage seems ridiculously low considering he is pretty much responsible for almost all the other options. | |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 00:17 - Dec 19 with 611 views | Ebo |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 14:53 - Dec 18 by Trump73 |
All this it’s Corbyn who is to blame is absolute nonsense.
2017 he had a very good election with labour. That was when the Labour Party had said in its manifesto that they would respect the Brexit result. Fast forward to 2019 general election where they intended to betray the result of the referendum and the end result for labour- they get absolutely smashed. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 14:56]
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Read my earlier post, Corbyn respected the result but he was pushed to offer a second referendum. I am sick of saying it. | |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 00:19 - Dec 19 with 609 views | Ebo |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 19:59 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001 |
The reasons the ex Labour voters voted that way. The general result was 43% leadership, 17% brexit and 12% economic policies.
The remaining percentage (of both groupings) will be lots of different stuff each of which doesn’t begin to register anywhere near as highly. So anti semitism will be one. Defence will be one (the whole Trident - will you push a button nonsense) etc etc.
The reason Labour leadership and momentum are keen to emphasise brexit as an excuse is that the policy was decided by conference not by the leadership. So they can point to centrists and say - it’s your fault. The polls show they’re wrong. The Ashcroft poll and report is very detailed. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 20:01]
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The media didn't exactly help though did they? Swinson is the white elephant here, it was her insistence on having the election early. | |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 12:41 - Dec 19 with 491 views | Catullus |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 00:17 - Dec 19 by Ebo |
Read my earlier post, Corbyn respected the result but he was pushed to offer a second referendum. I am sick of saying it. |
Yes pushed into it but he then sat on the fence, I'm neutral about it he said. Despite Thornberry and others saying they'd get a new, better deal AND saying they'd campaign for remain.
How can you trust a leadership/shadow cabinet where they all seemed to be saying whatever they wanted? What about collective responsibility? Ultimately Corbyn carries that because he couldn't keep them all in line and as a result....Bojo.
The leader is expected to lead, Corbyn didn't all too often. Bojo is what he is but the message from the Tories was consistent, I didn't see/hear current any tory cabinet members undermine Bojo. In fact most of them kept rpeating his lies, 50,000 new nurses etc. | |
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| Well done to all the remoaners on 13:01 - Dec 19 with 471 views | Best_loser |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 12:41 - Dec 19 by Catullus |
Yes pushed into it but he then sat on the fence, I'm neutral about it he said. Despite Thornberry and others saying they'd get a new, better deal AND saying they'd campaign for remain.
How can you trust a leadership/shadow cabinet where they all seemed to be saying whatever they wanted? What about collective responsibility? Ultimately Corbyn carries that because he couldn't keep them all in line and as a result....Bojo.
The leader is expected to lead, Corbyn didn't all too often. Bojo is what he is but the message from the Tories was consistent, I didn't see/hear current any tory cabinet members undermine Bojo. In fact most of them kept rpeating his lies, 50,000 new nurses etc. |
As has been pointed out, it was not much to do with brexit
Corbyn , momentum and mclusky were the reason
Swansea voted leave yet still comfortably returned three labour mp s |  | | |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 15:30 - Dec 19 with 417 views | Highjack |
| Well done to all the remoaners on 13:01 - Dec 19 by Best_loser |
As has been pointed out, it was not much to do with brexit
Corbyn , momentum and mclusky were the reason
Swansea voted leave yet still comfortably returned three labour mp s |
True but they’ve all taken a massive hit. Even in Neath the labour vote tanked by about 14%. Neath would be one of the last seats to stay labour if all of the others fell. It’s always been one of the safest in the country but now her majority is ‘only’ 5000.
It’s remarkable stuff and just shows how much they have failed. | |
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