| Thoughts on this. 20:48 - Aug 20 with 1666 views | Andy1300 |
Personally, had the police not turned up and the “black guy” had a real gun and god forbid, shot someone, I could imagine the uproar.
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| Thoughts on this. on 21:03 - Aug 20 with 1643 views | britferry |
The police were called because somebody saw a gun |  |
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| Thoughts on this. on 21:04 - Aug 20 with 1642 views | Andy1300 |
| Thoughts on this. on 21:03 - Aug 20 by britferry |
The police were called because somebody saw a gun |
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| Thoughts on this. on 21:17 - Aug 20 with 1616 views | Flashberryjack |
| Thoughts on this. on 21:03 - Aug 20 by britferry |
The police were called because somebody saw a gun |
Wonder if the person that rang the police mentioned it was a black boy with a gun, probably wouldn't even have turned up if they said he was a white boy, we all know white boys don't use guns. |  |
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| Thoughts on this. on 22:00 - Aug 20 with 1589 views | britferry |
| Thoughts on this. on 21:17 - Aug 20 by Flashberryjack |
Wonder if the person that rang the police mentioned it was a black boy with a gun, probably wouldn't even have turned up if they said he was a white boy, we all know white boys don't use guns. |
what if the person that called was also black? | |
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| Thoughts on this. on 22:19 - Aug 20 with 1574 views | Humpty |
| Thoughts on this. on 22:00 - Aug 20 by britferry |
what if the person that called was also black? |
As soon as they got there they must have realised it was a 12 year old playing with a toy. Why the necessity to handcuff and point guns at him? A little boy FFS. Why stay in the house questioning the family for over an hour? |  | | |
| Thoughts on this. on 22:46 - Aug 20 with 1535 views | Lohengrin |
| Thoughts on this. on 22:19 - Aug 20 by Humpty |
As soon as they got there they must have realised it was a 12 year old playing with a toy. Why the necessity to handcuff and point guns at him? A little boy FFS. Why stay in the house questioning the family for over an hour? |
”Analysis of crime survey data by the Office of the Children's Commissioner suggests there are 27,000 children aged between 10 and 17 who identify as a member of a street gang.”
I suspect as soon as the call went in the Police adhered to procedure. It’s shocking for us living where we do but it’s where big cities are now, Hump.
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| Thoughts on this. on 22:53 - Aug 20 with 1528 views | Humpty |
| Thoughts on this. on 22:46 - Aug 20 by Lohengrin |
”Analysis of crime survey data by the Office of the Children's Commissioner suggests there are 27,000 children aged between 10 and 17 who identify as a member of a street gang.”
I suspect as soon as the call went in the Police adhered to procedure. It’s shocking for us living where we do but it’s where big cities are now, Hump.
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I'm not saying the police shouldn't be extremely cautious attending an incident where a gun has been reported, of course they should. But surely it would take them seconds to suss out it was a kid playing with a toy. | | | |
| Thoughts on this. on 23:48 - Aug 20 with 1500 views | majorraglan |
Just listened to most of the interview. It’s late, about 11.06pm and dark, a passer by makes a call to the police reporting a black male with a gun in the house. The Police are in a very difficult position, they can’t ignore the call and the have to take action. They have to deal with the job in accordance with their procedures because until they can actually examine the “weapon” they won’t be able to tell if it’s a toy or not.
Moving on from that, how are the police to know if the “weapon” (toy) they have been shown on arrival at the address was the same one seen by the caller? For all they know, the original weapon could have been a real gun which was switched prior to the police being allowed entry. I am not saying for 1 minute that was the case, but I would think the police need to keep an open mind and complete their enquiries.
The lady in the clip seemed very tidy and it must have been a very distressing and scary incident for her and her son. I have a great deal of sympathy for her and her son, but I can also see the other side of the coin from a police perspective. | | | |
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| Thoughts on this. on 04:00 - Aug 21 with 1471 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Thoughts on this. on 22:53 - Aug 20 by Humpty |
I'm not saying the police shouldn't be extremely cautious attending an incident where a gun has been reported, of course they should. But surely it would take them seconds to suss out it was a kid playing with a toy. |
It’s easy to say that on a football forum.
There is unjustified and extreme hatred towards police currently. The African American community say they feel threatened and get nervous because 9 unarmed black men (the majority of which, if not all of which, would have been committing a crime) were shot and killed by police last year.
Imagine belonging to a group where you are killed at 11 times that rate at normal times, God knows what it is during this fraudulent movement happening in the States. These police officers have families, sons, daughters, wives. If it means making someone uncomfortable for an extra few minutes while the area and threats are secured in order to ensure safety - then that’s just the way it is.
Let’s remember, police aren’t trained intensively for years on end like other professions. They aren’t the military. A lot of their training is essentially on the job experience. They are just people like you and I wanting to get home safely.
I think generally it’s something like 16 times more likely an innocent police officer will get killed by an African American than the other way around (I’d have to double check to make sure). If African Americans feel justified in their caution towards the police then surely it can’t even be an argument that the reverse will be true. [Post edited 21 Aug 2020 4:36]
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| Thoughts on this. on 09:07 - Aug 21 with 1396 views | 1983 |
Any kid that chooses to wear a dickybow deserves everything he gets |  |
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| Thoughts on this. on 12:22 - Aug 21 with 1314 views | Humpty |
| Thoughts on this. on 23:48 - Aug 20 by majorraglan |
Just listened to most of the interview. It’s late, about 11.06pm and dark, a passer by makes a call to the police reporting a black male with a gun in the house. The Police are in a very difficult position, they can’t ignore the call and the have to take action. They have to deal with the job in accordance with their procedures because until they can actually examine the “weapon” they won’t be able to tell if it’s a toy or not.
Moving on from that, how are the police to know if the “weapon” (toy) they have been shown on arrival at the address was the same one seen by the caller? For all they know, the original weapon could have been a real gun which was switched prior to the police being allowed entry. I am not saying for 1 minute that was the case, but I would think the police need to keep an open mind and complete their enquiries.
The lady in the clip seemed very tidy and it must have been a very distressing and scary incident for her and her son. I have a great deal of sympathy for her and her son, but I can also see the other side of the coin from a police perspective. |
Yeah you're probably right.
I just think it's a bloody sad state of affairs. | | | |
| Thoughts on this. on 12:24 - Aug 21 with 1313 views | Humpty |
| Thoughts on this. on 04:00 - Aug 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s easy to say that on a football forum.
There is unjustified and extreme hatred towards police currently. The African American community say they feel threatened and get nervous because 9 unarmed black men (the majority of which, if not all of which, would have been committing a crime) were shot and killed by police last year.
Imagine belonging to a group where you are killed at 11 times that rate at normal times, God knows what it is during this fraudulent movement happening in the States. These police officers have families, sons, daughters, wives. If it means making someone uncomfortable for an extra few minutes while the area and threats are secured in order to ensure safety - then that’s just the way it is.
Let’s remember, police aren’t trained intensively for years on end like other professions. They aren’t the military. A lot of their training is essentially on the job experience. They are just people like you and I wanting to get home safely.
I think generally it’s something like 16 times more likely an innocent police officer will get killed by an African American than the other way around (I’d have to double check to make sure). If African Americans feel justified in their caution towards the police then surely it can’t even be an argument that the reverse will be true. [Post edited 21 Aug 2020 4:36]
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Why are you trying to conflate what happened to this kid with what happens in America where everyone is armed? It's completely irrelevant.
Not very honest of you either. | | | |
| Thoughts on this. on 12:36 - Aug 21 with 1307 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Thoughts on this. on 22:53 - Aug 20 by Humpty |
I'm not saying the police shouldn't be extremely cautious attending an incident where a gun has been reported, of course they should. But surely it would take them seconds to suss out it was a kid playing with a toy. |
But what if he had being playing with a real gun, belonging to his father or brother who was a gang member?
Back in the 1950s my next door neighbor's son, about 12 shot his brother, about 8 in the chest with his father's illegal Luger 9mm world war 2 "prize", they were just "playing" cowboys & indians.
Fortunately his brother survived. | | | |
| Thoughts on this. on 12:40 - Aug 21 with 1300 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Thoughts on this. on 12:24 - Aug 21 by Humpty |
Why are you trying to conflate what happened to this kid with what happens in America where everyone is armed? It's completely irrelevant.
Not very honest of you either. |
Why are you so offended and prickly all the time? I don't think I have seen you debate anything yet without attacking the poster you are replying to.
This anti-police sentiment is not limited to the US, it is very much alive in the UK for the reasons I touched upon in my post. Nothing I have said is the least bit dis-honest. More than 4,400 officers have died in the UK since modern policing began and they are probably at a greater threat now than any other time in history.
To pretend it's something they should have diffused in a couple of minutes from the safety of a football forum is pretty dishonest though as I don't for one second believe that you actually believe it to be true.
(Also not everyone in the US owns a gun, 30% roughly, a large % of that is not practiced in open carry either, usually locked away somewhere or in a farming environment). [Post edited 21 Aug 2020 13:08]
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| Thoughts on this. on 12:55 - Aug 21 with 1263 views | Humpty |
| Thoughts on this. on 12:40 - Aug 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why are you so offended and prickly all the time? I don't think I have seen you debate anything yet without attacking the poster you are replying to.
This anti-police sentiment is not limited to the US, it is very much alive in the UK for the reasons I touched upon in my post. Nothing I have said is the least bit dis-honest. More than 4,400 officers have died in the UK since modern policing began and they are probably at a greater threat now than any other time in history.
To pretend it's something they should have diffused in a couple of minutes from the safety of a football forum is pretty dishonest though as I don't for one second believe that you actually believe it to be true.
(Also not everyone in the US owns a gun, 30% roughly, a large % of that is not practiced in open carry either, usually locked away somewhere or in a farming environment). [Post edited 21 Aug 2020 13:08]
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Me? Prickly? Nah.
What happened to this boy has nothing to do with what happens in America, it's dishonest to try and conflate the two.
Yes, I know not every single person in America owns a gun. It's a figure of speech. | | | |
| Thoughts on this. on 13:05 - Aug 21 with 1243 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Thoughts on this. on 12:55 - Aug 21 by Humpty |
Me? Prickly? Nah.
What happened to this boy has nothing to do with what happens in America, it's dishonest to try and conflate the two.
Yes, I know not every single person in America owns a gun. It's a figure of speech. |
Of course they are connected. Do you honestly think what has happened in the US has had no affect on policing or interactions in the UK?
From knowing police in London I can tell you that is absolutely has. That's the issue with a movement being base don a lie, it endangers a whole load of people. Not just police with greater threat of attack but the public due to police being extra cautious. | |
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| Thoughts on this. on 13:48 - Aug 21 with 1186 views | Humpty |
| Thoughts on this. on 13:05 - Aug 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course they are connected. Do you honestly think what has happened in the US has had no affect on policing or interactions in the UK?
From knowing police in London I can tell you that is absolutely has. That's the issue with a movement being base don a lie, it endangers a whole load of people. Not just police with greater threat of attack but the public due to police being extra cautious. |
It's got f*ck all to do with what has happened in the US. Absolutely nothing. They're completely different situations, mainly because of the issue of firearms. | | | |
| Thoughts on this. on 13:54 - Aug 21 with 1181 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Thoughts on this. on 13:48 - Aug 21 by Humpty |
It's got f*ck all to do with what has happened in the US. Absolutely nothing. They're completely different situations, mainly because of the issue of firearms. |
Then you are wrong, quite simply. The anti police feeling started in the US has absolutely come over to the UK and it without a shadow of a doubt has the police on higher alert than usual. That's just the way it is.
Assaults on police officers have been on the rise and continue to rise. Again, these lies that start movements such as what we are seeing currently - become fashionable. Very, very dangerous. Especially when the media become complicit in spreading the misinformation to impressionable people. All in the name of political gain. [Post edited 21 Aug 2020 14:04]
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| Thoughts on this. on 22:57 - Aug 21 with 1069 views | Catullus |
| Thoughts on this. on 22:53 - Aug 20 by Humpty |
I'm not saying the police shouldn't be extremely cautious attending an incident where a gun has been reported, of course they should. But surely it would take them seconds to suss out it was a kid playing with a toy. |
You might think so.
Many years back the Swans were playing at Mansfield (I think, venue might be wrong, it's been years) and my mate was in a pub with other Jacks having a beer, being loud. Suddenly the police wade in. Apparently somebody had reported that my mate had a gun. So they searched him and found nothing in the way of a weapon. Still my mate spent the day in the cells.
The police have rules and procedures to follow. If a gun is reported, well I don't know what the exact rules and procedures are but I expect they are stringent. | |
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