| Oppression/Racism/Slavery 01:31 - Sep 23 with 5111 views | Dr_Parnassus |
For the millennials in the UK and the US who forgot what it actually is:-
https://amp.smh.com.au/world/a
This is what is happening in China at the moment. 500,000 Tibetans forced into labour camps. Not to mention the Uyghur Muslims that are being rounded up onto trains and put into camps in an attempt to ethically cleanse the country.
In Iran people have been hung this week for ACTUALLY peacefully protesting, not the CNN version of peaceful protests.
So while the NBA and LeBron James are stirring racial tensions in the West by pushing a false oppression narrative that absolutely nobody can articulate (whilst taking huge contracts from China and banning anyone speaking out about them)... take a moment to actually reflect on what racism, oppression and slavery ACTUALLY is.
These people crying oppression are some of the most privileged people in the world today. The privilege and freedom enjoyed that has enabled them to burn cities to the ground, intimidate politicians and attack civilian political opposition with impunity and no real threat of consequence is incredible.
For shame.
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 20:14 - Sep 23 with 1150 views | Fireboy2 |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 15:40 - Sep 23 by A_Fans_Dad |
My god you are deluded.
"What the English did in Ireland was just as much an atrocity as what has happened (and still is happening) anywhere in the world."
Let me name a few
Stalin
Pol Pot
Mao
North Korea
Iran
I don't remember the English slaughtering or starving millions of people to death, I must have missed it in the history lessons. |
The potato famine? |  | | |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 20:17 - Sep 23 with 1145 views | Catullus |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 15:40 - Sep 23 by A_Fans_Dad |
My god you are deluded.
"What the English did in Ireland was just as much an atrocity as what has happened (and still is happening) anywhere in the world."
Let me name a few
Stalin
Pol Pot
Mao
North Korea
Iran
I don't remember the English slaughtering or starving millions of people to death, I must have missed it in the history lessons. |
How many need to be killed, starved or otherwise mistreated for it to be an atrocity then? There are different scales yes but in Ireland people were killed in their thousands, died of starvation, were ejected from their homes and/or died of disease.
During the Irish potato famine the London government gave inadequate help making things worse,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
We talk about the IRA committing atrocities when they kill a small number. What number is big enough for you to call it an atrocity Richie? 1 Million maybe? Maybe the Earl of essex torching entire villages doesn't count? Though interestingly Essex had previously gotten a great reception in....Kilkenny! |  |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 20:21 - Sep 23 with 1135 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 15:40 - Sep 23 by A_Fans_Dad |
My god you are deluded.
"What the English did in Ireland was just as much an atrocity as what has happened (and still is happening) anywhere in the world."
Let me name a few
Stalin
Pol Pot
Mao
North Korea
Iran
I don't remember the English slaughtering or starving millions of people to death, I must have missed it in the history lessons. |
Is this a sick joke ?
The English government starved over 1 million Irish men, women, and children to death.
Another 1.5 million people fled Ireland.
The population is far lower today than it was back in 1841, some 8.2 million.
Where do you think the Irish Americans come from ? 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 20:26 - Sep 23 with 1128 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 16:17 - Sep 23 by onehunglow |
and a country they despised took them in affording them the opportunity to send money home to desperately poor folk from Waterford to Donegal.
A country that was seen as more of an enemy that Nazi Germany. What countries would have been neutral ? Filthy ones,like Sweden and Switzerland that made billions out of misery.
What country ,apart from ireland ,would prefer fight the British when they were engaged into Trench slaughter.
Ireland has a dark past and its not just British involvement
;the Catholic Church in Ireland ,part of the state precided over millions of case of child abuse on a scale hardly imaginable. |
You dont get any credit for starving 1 million people to death.
A genocide.
No idea why you gloify war.
Its the ultimate in failure. [Post edited 23 Sep 2020 20:27]
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 21:53 - Sep 23 with 1104 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 20:21 - Sep 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Is this a sick joke ?
The English government starved over 1 million Irish men, women, and children to death.
Another 1.5 million people fled Ireland.
The population is far lower today than it was back in 1841, some 8.2 million.
Where do you think the Irish Americans come from ? 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
What you actually mean is the crops failed due to potatoe blight. | | | |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 22:43 - Sep 23 with 1088 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I was hoping this may be the thread, the one where someone points out the oppression in America.
Alas the search goes on.
In the meantime the madness is still supported in America and those that oppose it get abused. You really would have thought that these people would have at least looked into it before lending their support.
The power of virtue and the lure of social media I guess. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 22:47 - Sep 23 with 1083 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 21:53 - Sep 23 by A_Fans_Dad |
What you actually mean is the crops failed due to potatoe blight. |
No i mean that food was taken out of Ireland by the English government whilst 1 million people were left to starve to death.
Genocide. Pure and simple.
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 10:37 - Sep 24 with 1010 views | Catullus |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 21:53 - Sep 23 by A_Fans_Dad |
What you actually mean is the crops failed due to potatoe blight. |
Maybe you should read up on it?
https://www.history.com/topics
I will still call it an atrocity because when tens of thousands were starving the evidence says that food exports to Britain from Ireland actually increased. This country literally took food from the starving. We didn't create the blight but our behaviour during that period was disgraceful. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 10:44 - Sep 24 with 1008 views | onehunglow |
Yep, British history is not all good. However,we were not the worst and whatever else,we have allowed those from the former colonies to come here and live ,including Ireland.Many Irish have done well here,much better than had they stayed in Ireland. If Britain is so bad then d not live here as the pain and hurt would be too much .
At some stage we have to move on.All history does is make people bitter and centuries of hate are carried on down the generations.
Jeez,the Danes invaded us along with other countries and butchered thousands but I don't recall them having a hard time.
In many ways ,we are all slaves to the past. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 10:54 - Sep 24 with 999 views | Catullus |
Moving on is important ut we shouldn't forget what we are capable of because we will only repeat our stupidity, heck we do anyway despite all our "knowledge" and while there are worse things than what this country has done we are too far up that league table for my liking.
Yes many Irish came here to live. My uncle amongst them. He left Ireland (and eventually married my Aunty) because he hated the IRA (he's from the South) and apparently his father was in the IRA, they'd stopped talking and he came to Wales. Lets not forget though that in our very recent past hotels and boarding houses had signs up saying "No Blacks, No Irish" and while I'm not looking to punish anyone today for what happened decades ago (and much, much longer back) we can't forget who we were and what we did.
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:03 - Sep 24 with 990 views | trampie |
Who were the oppressor's from over here ?, was it mainly people of a Germanic strain as opposed to the indigenous types ? |  |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:15 - Sep 24 with 984 views | Catullus |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:03 - Sep 24 by trampie |
Who were the oppressor's from over here ?, was it mainly people of a Germanic strain as opposed to the indigenous types ? |
All of humanity is guilty of something, whatever race, whatever country, whatever religion, nobody is innocent.
That's not a stick to beat anybody with, we just have to accept what humanity is like, what we are capable of, learn our lessons and hopefully move on. Remember the past but don't dwell on it too much.
Even in saying that mind, I am not personally guilty of racism or slavery because of people like Colston. It's an abstract kind of guilt, we can't punish people today for thinsg that happened many years ago. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:22 - Sep 24 with 977 views | trampie |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:15 - Sep 24 by Catullus |
All of humanity is guilty of something, whatever race, whatever country, whatever religion, nobody is innocent.
That's not a stick to beat anybody with, we just have to accept what humanity is like, what we are capable of, learn our lessons and hopefully move on. Remember the past but don't dwell on it too much.
Even in saying that mind, I am not personally guilty of racism or slavery because of people like Colston. It's an abstract kind of guilt, we can't punish people today for thinsg that happened many years ago. |
All capable of bad things but perhaps some are more guilty of being warlike than others. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:34 - Sep 24 with 970 views | Catullus |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:22 - Sep 24 by trampie |
All capable of bad things but perhaps some are more guilty of being warlike than others. |
I think that changes throughout history, the Scandi countries were quite warlike once, the Vikings. The Romans were dominant but Italians were the butt of wartime jokes, 1 rife never used, tanks with 1 forward gear but 5 reverse. Here in Wales we were always considered quite belligerent, mostly amongst ourselves. We were so busy infighting, if we'd united we might have bee able to defeat those pesky English, even when we did unite it was usually only so we could stab each other in the back! Even the Swiss were quite good at the old fisticuffs back in the day and while they are neutral (well since 1815) these days they still have national service and many homes have a gun, about 27 people in a hundred own a gun in Switzerland yet they have few gun problems, maybe Trump should ay them a visit to find out why? | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:39 - Sep 24 with 968 views | onehunglow |
Add to that lit the Canadians an their treatment of the native americans.Renaming people's and terrotories doesnt change history.
Possibly,the greatest abuse/slavery/oppresion in Ireland was the Catholic Church,guilty as sin for the wholescale physical and mental abuse of hundreds of thousands,all of which given tacit support by the Irish State.
The marks,guilt and stains of that are still there. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 14:23 - Sep 24 with 931 views | Groo |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 21:53 - Sep 23 by A_Fans_Dad |
What you actually mean is the crops failed due to potatoe blight. |
A bit simplistic.
The English landowners had forced the people to prioritise potatoes in place of other crops.
The English landowners forced them to export a high percentage to mainland Britain for profit (for the English landowner of course).
When the potatoe blight occured the English landowners wanted to maintain his profit and export as much as possible.
The Irish farmers were evicted from their farms when they could not produce due to the blight and the croips that did make it were taken away and exported.
The British governments reaction was as usual to protect business. The people were effectively left to die. |  |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 14:35 - Sep 24 with 924 views | Catullus |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:39 - Sep 24 by onehunglow |
Add to that lit the Canadians an their treatment of the native americans.Renaming people's and terrotories doesnt change history.
Possibly,the greatest abuse/slavery/oppresion in Ireland was the Catholic Church,guilty as sin for the wholescale physical and mental abuse of hundreds of thousands,all of which given tacit support by the Irish State.
The marks,guilt and stains of that are still there. |
I have Irish family. My uncles older sister (Eilish I think it is, never met her) was pregnant at 15. She was shipped off to a nunnery (this was the 50's) her baby was taken off her and put up for adoption, she didn't even know if it was boy or girl, not allowed to hold him/her, she was kept in the nunnery against her will. Later on she apparently took holy orders/vows whatever and never left. Institutionalised I'd call it. I've heard she bears the scars of regular beatings from the Nuns for being a "fallen woman" and even knowing that my uncle is still a practising Roman Catholic. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 14:40 - Sep 24 with 913 views | Groo |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 11:39 - Sep 24 by onehunglow |
Add to that lit the Canadians an their treatment of the native americans.Renaming people's and terrotories doesnt change history.
Possibly,the greatest abuse/slavery/oppresion in Ireland was the Catholic Church,guilty as sin for the wholescale physical and mental abuse of hundreds of thousands,all of which given tacit support by the Irish State.
The marks,guilt and stains of that are still there. |
One big issue from the past over here is residential schools, a bit like when the English forced all Welsh schools to speak English except much much worse.
First nation children were forcibly removed from their families and put in residential schools where they were forced to speak English.Many were abused and many died.
"The schools were intentionally located at substantial distances from Indigenous communities to minimize contact between families and their children." | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 14:44 - Sep 24 with 910 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 20:21 - Sep 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Is this a sick joke ?
The English government starved over 1 million Irish men, women, and children to death.
Another 1.5 million people fled Ireland.
The population is far lower today than it was back in 1841, some 8.2 million.
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There was plenty of food in Ireland during the famine. Unfortunately the Irish landowners prefered to export it the UK rather than give it away to their own people.
It was the same in the UK rich landowners did not see it as their responsibility to feed the poor.
Another Irish myth. [Post edited 24 Sep 2020 14:52]
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 14:49 - Sep 24 with 903 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 22:47 - Sep 23 by Kilkennyjack |
No i mean that food was taken out of Ireland by the English government whilst 1 million people were left to starve to death.
Genocide. Pure and simple.
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Sadly deluded again. The great myth promoted by the Irish, when in fact Irish Landowners preferred to export the food they produced for MONEY rather than give it free to their own people. Sadly it was a sign of the times and a mono crop farming culture was always going to fail in Country that had too large a population to grow sufficent food for it's own people.
Many Irish emigrated to the UK where they earned good money during the industrial revolution. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 14:53 - Sep 24 with 896 views | Groo |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 14:44 - Sep 24 by felixstowe_jack |
There was plenty of food in Ireland during the famine. Unfortunately the Irish landowners prefered to export it the UK rather than give it away to their own people.
It was the same in the UK rich landowners did not see it as their responsibility to feed the poor.
Another Irish myth. [Post edited 24 Sep 2020 14:52]
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"In all, Ireland sent 105 representatives to the House of Commons–the lower house of Parliament–and 28 “peers” (titled landowners) to the House of Lords, or the upper house.
Still, it’s important to note that the bulk of these elected representatives were landowners of British origin and/or their sons. In addition, any Irish who practiced Catholicism–the majority of Ireland’s native population–were initially prohibited from owning or leasing land, voting or holding elected office under the so-called Penal Laws.
Although the Penal Laws were largely repealed by 1829, their impact on Ireland’s society and governance was still being felt at the time of the Potato Famine’s onset. English and Anglo-Irish families owned most of the land, and most Irish Catholics were relegated to work as tenant farmers forced to pay rent to the landowners."
I think you'll find the majority of landowners were British.
I should add, mainly absent landlords who lived in England. [Post edited 24 Sep 2020 14:55]
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 15:07 - Sep 24 with 881 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 14:53 - Sep 24 by Groo |
"In all, Ireland sent 105 representatives to the House of Commons–the lower house of Parliament–and 28 “peers” (titled landowners) to the House of Lords, or the upper house.
Still, it’s important to note that the bulk of these elected representatives were landowners of British origin and/or their sons. In addition, any Irish who practiced Catholicism–the majority of Ireland’s native population–were initially prohibited from owning or leasing land, voting or holding elected office under the so-called Penal Laws.
Although the Penal Laws were largely repealed by 1829, their impact on Ireland’s society and governance was still being felt at the time of the Potato Famine’s onset. English and Anglo-Irish families owned most of the land, and most Irish Catholics were relegated to work as tenant farmers forced to pay rent to the landowners."
I think you'll find the majority of landowners were British.
I should add, mainly absent landlords who lived in England. [Post edited 24 Sep 2020 14:55]
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Correct most of the land was owned by British Nationals all residents in Ireland were British as it was part of the UK at the time.
Most of the land was farmed by Tennant farmers who were free to grow whatever crops they could sell. The cause of the famine was due to a mono crop culture in part due to ignorance of crop disease at the time. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 15:16 - Sep 24 with 873 views | onehunglow |
Groo.
Been reading recently about the Algonquin people and their struggles against both French and British. My interest were stirred after visiting Quebec where we visited somewhere that featured their history. I had no knowledge previous to my visit of any such people;pretty shameful really.
Im a decent French speaker but I found the Quebecois truly hard going ,harder as you headed up the St Lawrence. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 15:20 - Sep 24 with 871 views | trampie |
Ireland was part of the UK and the English let them starve, most of the land was owned by the English (that's another story) with the Irish being tennent famers, the food was taken at gunpoint from the Irish by the English army, 67 out of a total of 130 regiments overseen the pillage of the food, more than half the entire army was over there to secure the food.
It was genocide, I'm not aware of any Irish in my family tree but what the English did to them was shocking, glad I'm Welsh. | |
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| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 15:25 - Sep 24 with 864 views | Lohengrin |
| Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 22:47 - Sep 23 by Kilkennyjack |
No i mean that food was taken out of Ireland by the English government whilst 1 million people were left to starve to death.
Genocide. Pure and simple.
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Fun facts of the day for you, Killy: By November 1846 the British government was spending approximately £110,000 a week on famine relief, or 27% of the entire national budget! Secondly, in February 1847 it decides to take out an £8million loan, known as the 'Irish loan', to fund famine relief. An astronomical sum at the time.
That isn’t what genocide looks like. What happened in Killarney isn’t the same as the horror deliberately visited on Kiev. |  |
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