| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale 19:56 - Sep 27 with 4160 views | NotLoyal |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 16:29 - Sep 28 with 992 views | onehunglow |
Not knowing Jenkins and living 240 miles away from him but trusting him to do the best for the club I was all for us being sold thinking the sale would move us forward . I dont know the Yanks and thought they would see us right a regards financial clout.
That they didn't and I was "wrong" hurts badly but that is not important. The club is.
We have tumbled in appalling fashion and money seems to have been thrown down a large sewer pipe. Few questions are asked as to exactly what we did with considerable profit made ,far more than the likes of Burnley have made,a town almost one third smaller than Swansea. Small club myarse.Small time thinking more like.
It is scandalous to see us where we are and no Cooper charm can make it any better for me to take.
I doubt Jenkins is in any way arsed ,frankly,,though I might be wrong,as I was about selling the club to a shower of shite.
Darran has made a good post there |  |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 17:46 - Sep 28 with 950 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 16:23 - Sep 28 by Treforys_Jack |
That resolven fella is probably one of the Dineens or someone very close to them. That's the only excuse for some of the drivel he keeps spouting.
We spent a lot of money in the increasingly desperate attempt to stay in the PL, just most of it was shockingly bad, if only they had appointed a DoF rather than relying on HJ. |
This is a well know tactic to discredit my position by indicating a vested interest. My position is that the SCST has, since the great early days, been of little or no value to the club. Since the sale it has been a drag on the club morale. I have no knowledge on written agreements between the shareholders.
I am neutral and making points to which I welcome opposite view and discussions. I believe this will expose a paucity of logic in the Trust position. If anything I have written is wrong I stand to be corrected.
Whether the ex Chairman of the club is nice bloke or not is irrelevant to me, he was, during his tenure and excellent Chairman. Im sure the Trust people are very nice.
If they are nice peope they will investigate my claim that the legal action will cost jobs at the football club probably even before the case is held and certainly if the case is won by the Trust. Its hard to see how a £20m+ bill for the club's reamining owners, to be paid in a limited period of time is not going to affect how the club is run. To say that it will have no effect is fancifull. Jobs will go anyway because of Covid is not a decent argument. It could at worst be a wigan scenario.
Even if the Trust has rock solid case the removal of money from the current owners to put in a multimillion pound zombie Trust fund and London legal firms accounts is no good for the club or Swansea as a whole. It would be a set back for the principles of Supporters Trusts in the UK.
I have not seen any argument to the contrary with the proponents of legal action having no vision for the future. What are they going to do with the 50%-60% of the money left after fees? |  |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 17:58 - Sep 28 with 940 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 17:46 - Sep 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
This is a well know tactic to discredit my position by indicating a vested interest. My position is that the SCST has, since the great early days, been of little or no value to the club. Since the sale it has been a drag on the club morale. I have no knowledge on written agreements between the shareholders.
I am neutral and making points to which I welcome opposite view and discussions. I believe this will expose a paucity of logic in the Trust position. If anything I have written is wrong I stand to be corrected.
Whether the ex Chairman of the club is nice bloke or not is irrelevant to me, he was, during his tenure and excellent Chairman. Im sure the Trust people are very nice.
If they are nice peope they will investigate my claim that the legal action will cost jobs at the football club probably even before the case is held and certainly if the case is won by the Trust. Its hard to see how a £20m+ bill for the club's reamining owners, to be paid in a limited period of time is not going to affect how the club is run. To say that it will have no effect is fancifull. Jobs will go anyway because of Covid is not a decent argument. It could at worst be a wigan scenario.
Even if the Trust has rock solid case the removal of money from the current owners to put in a multimillion pound zombie Trust fund and London legal firms accounts is no good for the club or Swansea as a whole. It would be a set back for the principles of Supporters Trusts in the UK.
I have not seen any argument to the contrary with the proponents of legal action having no vision for the future. What are they going to do with the 50%-60% of the money left after fees? |
You've never once criticised HJ for his role as our DoF. Shocking and misplaced ego trip that cost us badly. |  | | |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 18:55 - Sep 28 with 910 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 17:58 - Sep 28 by Treforys_Jack |
You've never once criticised HJ for his role as our DoF. Shocking and misplaced ego trip that cost us badly. |
Admittedly a mixed bag. We could all see Borja was never a£15m footballer.
On the other hand there was Sigurdson, Fabianski, Llorente, Fer, Cork, Ferndandez Mawson and Bartley. What about credit for James McBurnie Grimes. | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 19:17 - Sep 28 with 878 views | britferry |
First of all, Resolven, I don’t agree with all that you are saying but you are entitled to your views, which wouldn’t have been accepted under the previous regime of this forum.
Talking of which, the PS cheerleader, what a sad individual you are “I know things about him in and out of football,several I would never post on any forum or anywhere because they involve his personal life.” — if someone made such innuendoes and accusations about me on an internet forum and I knew who they were, I’d punch their lights out. Trying to back it up with “All FACTS. 100% FACTS.” just about sums up how dumb you are. | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 19:31 - Sep 28 with 883 views | Chief |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 17:46 - Sep 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
This is a well know tactic to discredit my position by indicating a vested interest. My position is that the SCST has, since the great early days, been of little or no value to the club. Since the sale it has been a drag on the club morale. I have no knowledge on written agreements between the shareholders.
I am neutral and making points to which I welcome opposite view and discussions. I believe this will expose a paucity of logic in the Trust position. If anything I have written is wrong I stand to be corrected.
Whether the ex Chairman of the club is nice bloke or not is irrelevant to me, he was, during his tenure and excellent Chairman. Im sure the Trust people are very nice.
If they are nice peope they will investigate my claim that the legal action will cost jobs at the football club probably even before the case is held and certainly if the case is won by the Trust. Its hard to see how a £20m+ bill for the club's reamining owners, to be paid in a limited period of time is not going to affect how the club is run. To say that it will have no effect is fancifull. Jobs will go anyway because of Covid is not a decent argument. It could at worst be a wigan scenario.
Even if the Trust has rock solid case the removal of money from the current owners to put in a multimillion pound zombie Trust fund and London legal firms accounts is no good for the club or Swansea as a whole. It would be a set back for the principles of Supporters Trusts in the UK.
I have not seen any argument to the contrary with the proponents of legal action having no vision for the future. What are they going to do with the 50%-60% of the money left after fees? |
-the drag on morale is at the sell outs door. They caused this.
-you say you have no knowledge of the written agreement but it's actually a case of you sticking your head in the sand isn't it? It's exists and should have been adhered to.
-how can they investigate the job losses theory? That situation is 100% entirely dependant on the Americans. The trust can't predict how they'll act. If it's a case that the Americas remove club funds to make up for their personal deficit, that's on them&the trust's decision making should not be made on being held to ransom by such potential threats.
-On the contrary, a trust win (and securement of a war chest) will be held up as a blueprint for supporters trusts across the country for action that are dealing with unfavourable actions from club owners. Hopefully it'll set a precedent for other owners to treat trusts with more respect.
-The last bit has some validity, the trust could perhaps provide some further information on this. But lets face it, we are a long way off this case being settled (and for how much is anyone's guess). Who knows what the landscape of the club&the economy will look like at that point&as such the many options of how&where it will be stored could be very open. So there's little point fretting too much on this at this point. [Post edited 28 Sep 2020 19:33]
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 20:21 - Sep 28 with 853 views | Darran |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 19:17 - Sep 28 by britferry |
First of all, Resolven, I don’t agree with all that you are saying but you are entitled to your views, which wouldn’t have been accepted under the previous regime of this forum.
Talking of which, the PS cheerleader, what a sad individual you are “I know things about him in and out of football,several I would never post on any forum or anywhere because they involve his personal life.” — if someone made such innuendoes and accusations about me on an internet forum and I knew who they were, I’d punch their lights out. Trying to back it up with “All FACTS. 100% FACTS.” just about sums up how dumb you are. |
Thanks shw mae. ðŸ‘🻠|  |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 21:12 - Sep 28 with 829 views | BillyChong |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 12:19 - Sep 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Potential new investors will need to take this factor into consideration. Elements of the fans base are really very dim. I recall Malcom Struel's posh car being vandalised in the club car park back in the erly 80s after a poor result. That was a proper crisis and they were no fairy god mother Silverstein to come to the rescue.
Swansea steeped in socialist heritage just do not like rich people particularly rich local people. The spectacular top of the range facilities at Fairwood and Morfa and the newly painted Stadium and the status of the club as promotion favouritres cuts no ice with those that say that the owner took from the club not built it. Nonscence of course. |
Silverstein Fairy God Mother. You are clean taking the piss now.
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 22:00 - Sep 28 with 809 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 19:31 - Sep 28 by Chief |
-the drag on morale is at the sell outs door. They caused this.
-you say you have no knowledge of the written agreement but it's actually a case of you sticking your head in the sand isn't it? It's exists and should have been adhered to.
-how can they investigate the job losses theory? That situation is 100% entirely dependant on the Americans. The trust can't predict how they'll act. If it's a case that the Americas remove club funds to make up for their personal deficit, that's on them&the trust's decision making should not be made on being held to ransom by such potential threats.
-On the contrary, a trust win (and securement of a war chest) will be held up as a blueprint for supporters trusts across the country for action that are dealing with unfavourable actions from club owners. Hopefully it'll set a precedent for other owners to treat trusts with more respect.
-The last bit has some validity, the trust could perhaps provide some further information on this. But lets face it, we are a long way off this case being settled (and for how much is anyone's guess). Who knows what the landscape of the club&the economy will look like at that point&as such the many options of how&where it will be stored could be very open. So there's little point fretting too much on this at this point. [Post edited 28 Sep 2020 19:33]
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If the fans deliver a £20m bill to be repaid in weeks to the owners who are keeping the club afloat with a recoverable emergency loan what to do think will happen?
I suggest they will recover the emegency loan and tell Mr Winter to sort things out on his own. He has worked for Notts County and knows what to do. Players will go and season tickets will rise. For what purpose?
The Trust will be toxic and never again will their deck chair and flask be seen in the VIP suite. | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 22:59 - Sep 28 with 788 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 18:55 - Sep 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Admittedly a mixed bag. We could all see Borja was never a£15m footballer.
On the other hand there was Sigurdson, Fabianski, Llorente, Fer, Cork, Ferndandez Mawson and Bartley. What about credit for James McBurnie Grimes. |
Tabanau, Messa, Ayew, , Clucas, Bony. Were Fer and Bartley a success then ? | | | |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 23:01 - Sep 28 with 787 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 22:00 - Sep 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If the fans deliver a £20m bill to be repaid in weeks to the owners who are keeping the club afloat with a recoverable emergency loan what to do think will happen?
I suggest they will recover the emegency loan and tell Mr Winter to sort things out on his own. He has worked for Notts County and knows what to do. Players will go and season tickets will rise. For what purpose?
The Trust will be toxic and never again will their deck chair and flask be seen in the VIP suite. |
Do you at least agree the sale was carried out in an underhand way? | | | |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 08:21 - Sep 29 with 746 views | Chief |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 22:00 - Sep 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If the fans deliver a £20m bill to be repaid in weeks to the owners who are keeping the club afloat with a recoverable emergency loan what to do think will happen?
I suggest they will recover the emegency loan and tell Mr Winter to sort things out on his own. He has worked for Notts County and knows what to do. Players will go and season tickets will rise. For what purpose?
The Trust will be toxic and never again will their deck chair and flask be seen in the VIP suite. |
-Why not give the Americans the benefit of the doubt. They knew there was the possibility of having to purchase the shares right from the start of their interest in Swansea. They have resources& experience on their side, maybe they have contingency plans in place that wouldn't deliberately handicap the football club that they'll own 90% (?) Of.
-the trust maybe toxic to the Americans (who haven't exactly been open&forthcoming with the trust thus far anyway have they?) But not to the rest of the world. | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 12:17 - Sep 29 with 708 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 22:59 - Sep 28 by Treforys_Jack |
Tabanau, Messa, Ayew, , Clucas, Bony. Were Fer and Bartley a success then ? |
Tabanou a disgraceful signing. According to Monk he was not even fit. Mesa would hve worked out under Potter I suspect. Ayew A is and was a class player. Bony II never fully fit clearly a mistake. Fer and Bartley were decent signings. | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 15:08 - Sep 29 with 659 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 12:17 - Sep 29 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Tabanou a disgraceful signing. According to Monk he was not even fit. Mesa would hve worked out under Potter I suspect. Ayew A is and was a class player. Bony II never fully fit clearly a mistake. Fer and Bartley were decent signings. |
A Ayew is a good player agreed, but we sold him for £20 million , which was fantastic business at the time. Buying him back for virtually the same money on a 4yr deal was madness. | | | |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 16:50 - Sep 29 with 631 views | onehunglow |
Yep,A Ayew is a very good pro but bringing him back at that price was crazy and shows just how incompetent Jenkins was.
I 'll draw a veil over Bony,Clucas and the fire sale of J Ayew | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 17:52 - Sep 29 with 609 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 16:50 - Sep 29 by onehunglow |
Yep,A Ayew is a very good pro but bringing him back at that price was crazy and shows just how incompetent Jenkins was.
I 'll draw a veil over Bony,Clucas and the fire sale of J Ayew |
Had Ayew kept the club up with a couple of headers it would have been a wonderful move.
Relegation means you have got everything wrong. HJ in 17 years only had one relegation on his watch. Three promotions, the clubs first ever major trophy and universal respect. Firsts wins at OT first win over Everton regular wins v Liverpool.
The parachutes are designed to help clubs ease big players off the books. Swansea will get £15m to ease Ayew of the books for £4m . Job done. The club also have one last swing at PL with the the excess parachute cash. The new recriutment team under Potter did a worse job than Ledbetter. None of the four Potter signings is now at Swansea. I would not have recommended McKay after 3 or 54 views. No one appears to like Declan John for whatever reason. | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 18:08 - Sep 29 with 605 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 17:52 - Sep 29 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Had Ayew kept the club up with a couple of headers it would have been a wonderful move.
Relegation means you have got everything wrong. HJ in 17 years only had one relegation on his watch. Three promotions, the clubs first ever major trophy and universal respect. Firsts wins at OT first win over Everton regular wins v Liverpool.
The parachutes are designed to help clubs ease big players off the books. Swansea will get £15m to ease Ayew of the books for £4m . Job done. The club also have one last swing at PL with the the excess parachute cash. The new recriutment team under Potter did a worse job than Ledbetter. None of the four Potter signings is now at Swansea. I would not have recommended McKay after 3 or 54 views. No one appears to like Declan John for whatever reason. |
You are completely missing the point, they lied and acted in a spurious manner. Why is admitting that so difficult for you ? | | | |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 20:24 - Sep 29 with 569 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 18:08 - Sep 29 by Treforys_Jack |
You are completely missing the point, they lied and acted in a spurious manner. Why is admitting that so difficult for you ? |
It appears including the Trust in the intial talks would have been a waste of time and possibly might have jepodised the sale which was considered essential for the cub and it s employees.
Consequent failures have occured in talks and even mediation between the Trust the US owners ever since for whatever reason. | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 21:49 - Sep 29 with 541 views | Garyjack |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 20:24 - Sep 29 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It appears including the Trust in the intial talks would have been a waste of time and possibly might have jepodised the sale which was considered essential for the cub and it s employees.
Consequent failures have occured in talks and even mediation between the Trust the US owners ever since for whatever reason. |
Well it appears that what i have told you several times previously is correct, and you do not indeed have a clue what you are talking about. Either that or you are on a wind up. Anyone who has taken even the slightest interest in what has gone on from the sale up to the present will know that what you have just posted is total nonsense.
Therefore i would urge anyone who has engaged in debate with you on this subject to simply mock you in future.  |  | | |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 22:34 - Sep 29 with 522 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 21:49 - Sep 29 by Garyjack |
Well it appears that what i have told you several times previously is correct, and you do not indeed have a clue what you are talking about. Either that or you are on a wind up. Anyone who has taken even the slightest interest in what has gone on from the sale up to the present will know that what you have just posted is total nonsense.
Therefore i would urge anyone who has engaged in debate with you on this subject to simply mock you in future. |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 00:06 - Sep 30 with 491 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 21:49 - Sep 29 by Garyjack |
Well it appears that what i have told you several times previously is correct, and you do not indeed have a clue what you are talking about. Either that or you are on a wind up. Anyone who has taken even the slightest interest in what has gone on from the sale up to the present will know that what you have just posted is total nonsense.
Therefore i would urge anyone who has engaged in debate with you on this subject to simply mock you in future. |
I do not expect widespread aclaim. Abuse and mocking is to be expected. Afterall I have done the unthinkable and criticized the Trust, a body of men and women upto 1000 in size. There are a lot of them but not many appear to be thinking things through and asking questions.
They truly have done a really awful job. Even if they win in court which might not even happen they will hand over £7-8m of the Swansea city owners money to English public school people who prefer rowing. The owners will then endeavour to take the money back from the club by sending their bill straight back to the fans. The fans will pay more to watch a weaker team as a result of the payment of millions to the English funders.
The Trust will then be holding around £12m in a zombie trust fund which they do not have the skills to manage. They have no plan for using the money. It will be £7-8m less than what it should have been had they put themselves up for sale in 2015 when US buyers were circling. A horrible strategic mistake.
Unthinkably the losses could be even greater than that if the club return to the PL down the road. Silverstein and the US people will be minted with the new cheap shares the Trust could not afford, having already flooded the fans with extra costs. They are not likey to be offered a way back into the club for many years until this sad episode is long forgotten.
If you are a Trust member you have good reason to urge thinking people not to debate with me as i am shamefully one of the few that has actually thought it through. | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 08:38 - Sep 30 with 464 views | Chief |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 20:24 - Sep 29 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It appears including the Trust in the intial talks would have been a waste of time and possibly might have jepodised the sale which was considered essential for the cub and it s employees.
Consequent failures have occured in talks and even mediation between the Trust the US owners ever since for whatever reason. |
Thats not what he asked though is it? | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 09:07 - Sep 30 with 457 views | swan65split |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 20:24 - Sep 29 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It appears including the Trust in the intial talks would have been a waste of time and possibly might have jepodised the sale which was considered essential for the cub and it s employees.
Consequent failures have occured in talks and even mediation between the Trust the US owners ever since for whatever reason. |
it could also be said by not involving the trust has proved to be essential for the club and its employees. |  | | |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 10:13 - Sep 30 with 440 views | onehunglow |
English public school people".You known many then?
Rather a broad brush for a perjorative.
Plenty of decent public school people around | |
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| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 14:12 - Sep 30 with 418 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Do you think( money aside) Jenkins etc regret the yanks sale on 10:13 - Sep 30 by onehunglow |
English public school people".You known many then?
Rather a broad brush for a perjorative.
Plenty of decent public school people around |
Of course in an out of business. Generally nice people with good manners and often shrewd in business, Unlike the Trust. The fans like to vilify American business people, who want to make money, but doff their cap to the white collar South east English people who want an arm and a leg for doing very little. I emphasize the Public school people as I can empathise more with Kaplan and Levien who actually like football than the legal people who do not even like football.
The reputed £6-8m they could pocket from a successful legal case is so high because the Trust will not fund the case or take the risks themselves. The big dosh made in a few months will be the money generated for the Trust upto 2016 by the hard work of the so called sellouts over 14 years of hard graft and risk taking. | |
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