| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? 18:06 - Oct 1 with 2736 views | KeithHaynes |
Personally would love to hear if your opinions are changing or are they as they were, or is he just persona non grata, no redemption.
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 06:06 - Oct 2 with 683 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I think we would be in a far worse position without him. You have to cut your cloth accordingly and just as players have to be the right fit for the team, the manager has to be the right fit for our situation.
I can't think of another manager that on a shoestring budget would be able to bring in quality we have seen in the likes of Rhian Brewster, Morgan Gibbs-White, Marc Guehi, Freddie Woodman and Conor Gallagher.
I dread to think what we would be able to get for practically nothing should he not be our manager, lets face it they are here mainly because of him. Our options would certainly shrink overnight.
Without money we have to focus on youth. Who has a better track record of youth in the country than the man that led England to the World Cup title at youth level, of which much of that side has now played for us under him. |  |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 08:51 - Oct 2 with 667 views | Andyconky |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 06:06 - Oct 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think we would be in a far worse position without him. You have to cut your cloth accordingly and just as players have to be the right fit for the team, the manager has to be the right fit for our situation.
I can't think of another manager that on a shoestring budget would be able to bring in quality we have seen in the likes of Rhian Brewster, Morgan Gibbs-White, Marc Guehi, Freddie Woodman and Conor Gallagher.
I dread to think what we would be able to get for practically nothing should he not be our manager, lets face it they are here mainly because of him. Our options would certainly shrink overnight.
Without money we have to focus on youth. Who has a better track record of youth in the country than the man that led England to the World Cup title at youth level, of which much of that side has now played for us under him. |
I think we've just become more streetwise. To become slightly harder to beat we've had to lose a little bit of style and I think we're somewhere in the middle, which is probably about right |  |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 09:11 - Oct 2 with 657 views | Badlands |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:09 - Oct 1 by AndyCole |
Opinions are subjective, facts are beautifully objective. The relative performances and results speak for themselves. Cooper has exceeded expectations, and continues to ride the steep learning curve with aplomb.
It's pretty clear that the opinions of the few who are always unable to accept these facts, and continue to discredit Cooper at every given opportunity, need to be seen as irrational at best. The irrational types always resort to puerile abuse and name calling. The facts speak for themselves, the quotes are there to be seen. |
There were two periods last season when we played better than the opposition and got points.
1) August - before the Cooper influence took over.
2) After lockdown when the Cooper influence had weakened.
When Cooper got the team back under his spell we bowled it in Brentford.
Just as Monk gained a high spot Cooper did the same with performances that were almost unwatchable. Even under Monk I never heard supporters moaning about a win as they were leaving the Liberty. Under Cooper it has.
If you are a fan whose only interest is points listed on a chart, then Cooper appears competent. I maintain that if you are a fan of football Cooper is endured rather than enjoyed. |  |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 10:39 - Oct 2 with 631 views | swancity |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 09:11 - Oct 2 by Badlands |
There were two periods last season when we played better than the opposition and got points.
1) August - before the Cooper influence took over.
2) After lockdown when the Cooper influence had weakened.
When Cooper got the team back under his spell we bowled it in Brentford.
Just as Monk gained a high spot Cooper did the same with performances that were almost unwatchable. Even under Monk I never heard supporters moaning about a win as they were leaving the Liberty. Under Cooper it has.
If you are a fan whose only interest is points listed on a chart, then Cooper appears competent. I maintain that if you are a fan of football Cooper is endured rather than enjoyed. |
Absolute nonsense
He’s done a lot of excellent work which is not in doubt
And without spending shed loads of money
Give it a rest |  |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 10:42 - Oct 2 with 627 views | swancity |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 06:06 - Oct 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think we would be in a far worse position without him. You have to cut your cloth accordingly and just as players have to be the right fit for the team, the manager has to be the right fit for our situation.
I can't think of another manager that on a shoestring budget would be able to bring in quality we have seen in the likes of Rhian Brewster, Morgan Gibbs-White, Marc Guehi, Freddie Woodman and Conor Gallagher.
I dread to think what we would be able to get for practically nothing should he not be our manager, lets face it they are here mainly because of him. Our options would certainly shrink overnight.
Without money we have to focus on youth. Who has a better track record of youth in the country than the man that led England to the World Cup title at youth level, of which much of that side has now played for us under him. |
Yes that’s a very good summaryðŸ‘
I down arrowed it by mistake sorry | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 11:08 - Oct 2 with 625 views | AndyCole |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 09:11 - Oct 2 by Badlands |
There were two periods last season when we played better than the opposition and got points.
1) August - before the Cooper influence took over.
2) After lockdown when the Cooper influence had weakened.
When Cooper got the team back under his spell we bowled it in Brentford.
Just as Monk gained a high spot Cooper did the same with performances that were almost unwatchable. Even under Monk I never heard supporters moaning about a win as they were leaving the Liberty. Under Cooper it has.
If you are a fan whose only interest is points listed on a chart, then Cooper appears competent. I maintain that if you are a fan of football Cooper is endured rather than enjoyed. |
Good points. If you choose to view the world from that perspective.
With many fans I think there's a mindset issue. It's prevalent in the stadium which is tiresome, and that negativity is felt on the pitch.
Fortunately for us all there's enough optimism amongst investors, management, players and fans for us to be where we are today.
I and most of my football friends choose optimism every time. Not all people are able to do this, they are programmed to take the other route. It's in the dna, they can't help it, much like the optimists can't either.
Maybe give the optimists the benefit of the doubt and let them enjoy supporting our team. | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 12:50 - Oct 2 with 607 views | ItchySphincter |
This thread has so far shown that we can form subjective thoughts. For those that are not sure about Cooper the jury’s out, but time will tell. For some fans of Cooper it appears that they are saying other fans with a different opinion are the problem. Just my observations. |  |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 17:53 - Oct 2 with 565 views | jackrabbit |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:27 - Oct 1 by pencoedjack |
Doing an excellent job under very difficult circumstances.
Done better than Potter with a far weaker squad.
Does not deserve the grief he gets from many of the Swans support. |
Well said. Swans are lucky to have him. He has contacts and does a lot with very little. He’s learning on the job and improving weekly. We’ll do well to hang on to him. [Post edited 2 Oct 2020 17:55]
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 18:19 - Oct 2 with 560 views | Catullus |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 00:22 - Oct 2 by jasper_T |
For me it's tough to get over the six month period from September to March when we weren't beating any good teams or scoring many goals. It was a long period of being very consistently below average in a painfully average division. We didn't lose many either. But it wasn't inspiring viewing by a long shot. We were slipping down the table, flittering between 9th and 11th as we entered March.
Lockdown really rescued our season and took the legs out from under a lot of other clubs. We beat Reading and Bristol in the run-in, who were having decent seasons but didn't come back from the break with any sort of form (both managed only 2 wins and 2 draws in their 9 games). Perhaps we should expect Cooper as a manager with tournament experience to do well in opening stages when everyone is fresh, and struggle more with sustained form over a full season. Potter for sure offered more variety in ideas and approaches (not all good) and more emphasis on periodisation and pacing players out for a long campaign in training.
We'll see if the pattern repeats. |
I think I said at the time the lockdown may suit us, it gave our young team a chance to get their collective breaths back, to reset and go again while possibly disrupting the teams in form.
Then we had some injuries which forced his hand re selection so to a certain extent, maybe he got lucky because it definitely had been dull and boring, far too predictable.
Still though, when we restarted we had to play our fixtures and even if it wasn't always the prettiest, he got the results and we made the play offs. He played the hand he was dealt better than many other clubs.
As for the owners, I was somewhat critical of them too, in the beginning, but now we can see that if they hadn't done what they did, we may well be in major financial trouble and struggling to survive ourselves. Many clubs could easily go to the wall because of this pandemic. | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 19:55 - Oct 2 with 534 views | swancity |
Laughable that “ lockdown “ is being attributed to teams either playing better or worse when in reality this change in form and results happens every season. Regardless of COVID-19!
If teams lose key player’s with injury or transfer or loss of form or change of manager then yes these things happen. Anyone recall our run from March onwards in 1981 when we went from 10th to get promotion to the 1st Division under Tosh with no Coronavirus in sight 😂
To Steve Cooper: keep up your incredible work at our Club, your efforts must be applauded. 👠| |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:17 - Oct 2 with 523 views | AndyCole |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 12:50 - Oct 2 by ItchySphincter |
This thread has so far shown that we can form subjective thoughts. For those that are not sure about Cooper the jury’s out, but time will tell. For some fans of Cooper it appears that they are saying other fans with a different opinion are the problem. Just my observations. |
At least you ain't cursing, which is an improvement.
And predictable that you take the usual defensive aggressive stance in such "debates". It's a common trait amongst a certain types. We see it all over the political threads.
"Fans of Cooper" are most probably just fans of our Club, backing the underdog to succeed, so we all enjoy a good day out (or In).
The onus is surely down to those that oppose, those that always look to discredit, to make a rational /"subjective" case against the manager/Club. Unfortunately this tends not to be the case. The irrational types choose to irrationally name call and personally abuse at the slightest hint of an opportunity to pounce.
The "fans of Cooper"quietly enjoy a good win and performance, maybe have a few more jars. However those that aren't fans irrationally resort to extremism, create new threads like "Cooper Out" and call him "a bug eyed t*at".
Just an observation, like. | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:21 - Oct 2 with 519 views | swancity |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:17 - Oct 2 by AndyCole |
At least you ain't cursing, which is an improvement.
And predictable that you take the usual defensive aggressive stance in such "debates". It's a common trait amongst a certain types. We see it all over the political threads.
"Fans of Cooper" are most probably just fans of our Club, backing the underdog to succeed, so we all enjoy a good day out (or In).
The onus is surely down to those that oppose, those that always look to discredit, to make a rational /"subjective" case against the manager/Club. Unfortunately this tends not to be the case. The irrational types choose to irrationally name call and personally abuse at the slightest hint of an opportunity to pounce.
The "fans of Cooper"quietly enjoy a good win and performance, maybe have a few more jars. However those that aren't fans irrationally resort to extremism, create new threads like "Cooper Out" and call him "a bug eyed t*at".
Just an observation, like. |
Good post
Do you think it’s possibly intelligence related ?
I’m unsure but there might be a case | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:24 - Oct 2 with 523 views | jasper_T |
Same old forum. Posters only interested in diagnosing each other and picking fights. | | | |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:32 - Oct 2 with 510 views | swancity |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:24 - Oct 2 by jasper_T |
Same old forum. Posters only interested in diagnosing each other and picking fights. |
Well you said “ lock down rescued our season “😂
When there’s no evidence that it did apart from being clever and wise after the event when there are lots of real reasons to consider, football related ones that is ðŸ‘. Or was it only our boys that were keeping fit whilst stuck at home 😂 | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:35 - Oct 2 with 508 views | AndyCole |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:24 - Oct 2 by jasper_T |
Same old forum. Posters only interested in diagnosing each other and picking fights. |
"We were having a decent football conversation I thought."
Some fans choose to enjoy, defend our Club's efforts, and constructively criticise.
Some fans choose not to. So be it. It's the nature of fans forums, just like (ish) being in the Club bar. | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 21:01 - Oct 2 with 506 views | ItchySphincter |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:17 - Oct 2 by AndyCole |
At least you ain't cursing, which is an improvement.
And predictable that you take the usual defensive aggressive stance in such "debates". It's a common trait amongst a certain types. We see it all over the political threads.
"Fans of Cooper" are most probably just fans of our Club, backing the underdog to succeed, so we all enjoy a good day out (or In).
The onus is surely down to those that oppose, those that always look to discredit, to make a rational /"subjective" case against the manager/Club. Unfortunately this tends not to be the case. The irrational types choose to irrationally name call and personally abuse at the slightest hint of an opportunity to pounce.
The "fans of Cooper"quietly enjoy a good win and performance, maybe have a few more jars. However those that aren't fans irrationally resort to extremism, create new threads like "Cooper Out" and call him "a bug eyed t*at".
Just an observation, like. |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 21:05 - Oct 2 with 503 views | ItchySphincter |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:24 - Oct 2 by jasper_T |
Same old forum. Posters only interested in diagnosing each other and picking fights. |
Indeed Jasp, bit of a shame. People accusing peaceful posters, albeit ones with opinions different to their own, of being aggressive. It would be a challenge for said posters to find any aggression in anything have I posted in this thread. | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:04 - Oct 2 with 477 views | Catullus |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 21:05 - Oct 2 by ItchySphincter |
Indeed Jasp, bit of a shame. People accusing peaceful posters, albeit ones with opinions different to their own, of being aggressive. It would be a challenge for said posters to find any aggression in anything have I posted in this thread. |
Shame on people who have different opinions eh! Imconsidered joing the sheeple but which flock and what about the wolves?
Am I red, blue or magenta? Or maybe I'm just tired...night all, tomorrow is another tribulation to endure, or maybe I won't turn the computer on  | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:06 - Oct 2 with 475 views | ItchySphincter |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:04 - Oct 2 by Catullus |
Shame on people who have different opinions eh! Imconsidered joing the sheeple but which flock and what about the wolves?
Am I red, blue or magenta? Or maybe I'm just tired...night all, tomorrow is another tribulation to endure, or maybe I won't turn the computer on |
Night. x | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:18 - Oct 2 with 467 views | felixstowe_jack |
He is doing well. Improved on Potters team with more points and a higher league position. Arguably with a weaker team after the sales of Dan and Oli. Has vastly improved our away form and our defence from corners and free kicks.
Our attacking play has slightly been dented but not surprising after the loss of top scorer and most dangerous attacker.
This season he has bought in some good players on a limited budget. Today's signing of a centre forward can only improve things and get him more oppotions. | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:21 - Oct 2 with 467 views | felixstowe_jack |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:11 - Oct 1 by Badlands |
We have become a very boring and predictable side with a couple of outstanding individuals making the difference.
He seems to need you players who have been well coached to come in regularly but few players improve.
Very quick to blame others for failings but takes the paise when things go well.
Much of last season was a*s* clinchingly boring to watch.
Not a fan. |
We were very boring and predictable under Potter . I found it boring and predictable to keep losing by the odd goal most away games and knowing we would conceed from corners. | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:29 - Oct 2 with 463 views | felixstowe_jack |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 20:41 - Oct 1 by ItchySphincter |
Jury’s our for me but if he carries on getting results I suppose he is the right man, cant say I’ve taken to him though and we really are awful to watch at times.
One thing I can’t buy into though is that we are considerably weaker than we were under Potter - how?
Potter had Ollie and a few months out of Dan James. Cooper had Brewster and Gallagher and chose not to go with Celina. Injuries aside both had Grimes, Byers, Rodon, VdH, Roberts and Naughton, and Cooper has been able to add Ayew, Guehi, Gibbs-White, Lowe, Smith - so how are we weaker? |
You seem to have ommitted Narsingh, Fer, Bake-richardson Olsen, carrol, Surridge . Quite a lot of talent Cooper did not have. | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:50 - Oct 2 with 450 views | ItchySphincter |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:21 - Oct 2 by felixstowe_jack |
We were very boring and predictable under Potter . I found it boring and predictable to keep losing by the odd goal most away games and knowing we would conceed from corners. |
Giving away a corner was like conceding a pelanty under Potter. Cooper has improved that aspect massively. | |
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| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:50 - Oct 2 with 449 views | jasper_T |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:29 - Oct 2 by felixstowe_jack |
You seem to have ommitted Narsingh, Fer, Bake-richardson Olsen, carrol, Surridge . Quite a lot of talent Cooper did not have. |
Cooper had Surridge. Carroll, Fer and Olsson absent for much of Potter's season with injuries.
Baker-Richardson generously described as talent. | | | |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 23:01 - Oct 2 with 445 views | ItchySphincter |
| How is Steve Cooper doing as Swansea City manager ? on 22:50 - Oct 2 by jasper_T |
Cooper had Surridge. Carroll, Fer and Olsson absent for much of Potter's season with injuries.
Baker-Richardson generously described as talent. |
I thought about it and decided I wasn’t going to bother pointing it out. Put it down to a Friday night thing. | |
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